Beauty is subject to change, then what?

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Jullianna

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We have several threads about looks and most of the polls we've taken suggest that looks play a very large part in why we date someone. While the polls I've seen here seem to suggest that how a woman looks matters more to the guys, a lot of women have confessed to this being a big deal too. So, how do you know whether someone really likes you for the real you or simply for the way you look? Does it matter? Should it matter? What happens 20 years down the road if that was the main draw? Why do people want to DATE attractive people, but not have serious relationships with them? Wouldn't it be ideal to be someone who gets lost in the crowd so that you know you are loved for the real you?
 
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We have several threads about looks and most of the polls we've taken suggest that looks play a very large part in why we date someone. While the polls I've seen here seem to suggest that how a woman looks matters more to the guys, a lot of women have confessed to this being a big deal too. So, how do you know whether someone really likes you for the real you or simply for the way you look? Does it matter? Should it matter? What happens 20 years down the road if that was the main draw? Why do people want to DATE attractive people, but not have serious relationships with them? Wouldn't it be ideal to be someone who gets lost in the crowd so that you know you are loved for the real you?
Even though from your end you're mostly seeing that I going mostly for the looks, but the personalty is very important to me too. After the looks go their would still be her personalty and everything else I'd love about the girl. Though thinking about 20 years later is mostly why I don't a overweight girl. I do find a little overweight attractive, but after 2 kids(yes, I want 2 kids. boy and a girl) I'm just thinking she'd probably a lot over weight after 20-30. Which is why I'm looking for a thinner girl, who will still probably gain a little after 20-30,but will still be attractive to me size wise.

I'm really sorry, but being very overweight is just one the biggest turn offs for me.
 

niceguyJ

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Good questions. You make interesting threads. I'll take a stab at it...
So, how do you know whether someone really likes you for the real you or simply for the way you look?
If they are declaring their undying love for you before they even know you...that's a good sign it's just looks.

Does it matter? Should it matter?
Yes. Yes.

What happens 20 years down the road if that was the main draw?
If looks were the main draw the relationship wouldn't last 20 years anyways I don't think. If it somehow did..then you're not left with much. Unless somehow a deeper appreciation for that person was developed over the years that went beyond their looks.

Why do people want to DATE attractive people, but not have serious relationships with them?
Lust not love.

Wouldn't it be ideal to be someone who gets lost in the crowd so that you know you are loved for the real you?
Yes, I suppose it is. I should know. lol
 
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I mean im not thinking twenty years down the road when i decide who to go up and start a conversation with. Im going to pick the one i find attractive. If i end up falling inlove with them then i probably wont care what they look like twenty years down the road.
 
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babarainbowsheep

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"And she asked him; "are you blind this moment" and he answered "I am my love".She smiled and said "for now you truly see"
He saw her soul and knew her to be beautiful.She heard his heart and felt his soul and knew him to be holy and gooorgeouz"

Ive had spiritual experiences regarding physical "looks".
I find it difficult to explain it in writing in thread here but it is beautiful and shows me true beauty and depths and am grateful to see this and have been shown this by God.

Lust and love is not always about looks either it is often about power the lust and missused.
My friend said "I would rather be without sex and be with my wife than be without her and have sex" She is in wheel chair and had stroke and cant feel much.Their spiritual lovemaking and unity in other ways has strengthened and they find other ways.They had previous marriages b4 they found eachother and they are very religious.
Love making is better, in all its forms...

A friend of mine married her best friend, others chatt on internet even for yrs, my muslim friend is engaged to a man who has never seen her unveiled but knows the beauty of her soul...
She once said to me "covering up" is protecting beauty of her soul to not be shown through her body to others than her husband to be or clocest family.
Its not physical as such....
Theres many different scenarios.

Saw a movie about two brains in a jar that fell inlove.Was very funny actually.

Had a dream once where the God went through all souls , bodies...and was matchmaker and it just "happened" (eventually)
Was nice.

John knows me very deeply and well as Victoria and as soul.

I guess you feel that connection on a deeper plane with someone, no words needed.
A communication between souls.
i get this very often, I love it..
Its so different from my "person" talking...

You feel it.
Know it.

Though we are all different in perception and etc in these things.

Some of my best woman friends are so beautiful physically someone thought you have to be ugly within but so is not case for they are truly blessed with inner and outer beauty.
But was is physical beauty in perception......
A photographer can see beauty in what we may perceive as "ugly"
I am so proud of my woman friends.
I love them so much and they have true beauty within their holy souls.

My perception of beauty is different.
See old body, different species....etc what you will and see their soul and see true beauty and who and all they are.
To truly see someone is blessed
Not what others say about them (which may not be true but "setup")

Best wishes to us anyway in seeing true beauty, truth and love

To me the only ugly is souls that conciously hurt and do bad not "heat of moment" but with intent and illwill and with no remorse...
I dont see ugly bodies as such (they all have their charm) but ugly souls (sorry to say and Jesus need be beauty therapist for them).
Then again some bodies are not their personal best as they are not healthy, maybe they are sick or overweight in a unhealthy way

In this world for the humans we do have "ideal bodies" perhaps that we would prefer to have if they healthier...and look better and..

I was called ugly every day for years and years and know what it feels like to feel ugly (even though it was not true it doesnt feel good)

Love is beautiful and they say love makes even the ugliest beautiful....
(hope for those souls that torture, conciously hurt etc) with jesus love and forgiveness beautytherapist they can be beautiful.

I cant write of this to explain but I have had spiritual revelations and experiences that go very deep ..........
I will leave it unwritten for I cant begin to explain it in a thread.
 
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babarainbowsheep

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The strength of flesh does not last. True strength is born from a gentle and kind spirit.

Liked this one...

(depends who is in the body... ;) )

But as someone mentioned there are things to concider such as age of body and soul for someone in there 2os person body yrs marrying someone who is 85 person bodyyrs may not seem strange regardless if their souls connect on deeper level their bodys are not compatible.....

I think perhaps your souls meet first through all bodies beings in communication and love then your bodies are made to fit for eachother could be a thought :)
 

seoulsearch

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I mean im not thinking twenty years down the road when i decide who to go up and start a conversation with. Im going to pick the one i find attractive. If i end up falling inlove with them then i probably wont care what they look like twenty years down the road.
The thing is though, people DO still care about looks twenty years down the road.

It's one of the many reasons why you hear of so many 20-year marriages, if they last that long, breaking up, often with a spouse leaving for the younger, better-looking candidate.

We all wish we'd find "the right one"... but only God knows what will happen in the future. Sickness, changes in life, ups and downs are pretty much inevitable in this life. What if God knows that that hot girl you're eyeing is going to get cancer 20 years from now? You are bound to that person before God for the rest of your life. Will you stick by her or will you leave for someone else? I'm watching co-workers go through these dilemmas everyday. When they got married at 23, they never expected things like chemo, complete hair loss, and a masectomy.

What if God knows that really cute Mr. Man in front of you is going to lose his job and not find another one in 5 years... Will you leave him for "the other guy" you know at work who happens to make a lot of money, especially now that you have four kids to support?

I'm just as guilty. I wonder myself if I could handle these kinds of situations... which is probably why God hasn't sent me the right person yet.

Have any of you seen the movie, "Limitless"? Think of Bradley Cooper's ex-wife in the film. What if your spouse ends up looking like his ex-wife did? Would you stay with someone whose looks changed? (It doesn't have to be from illegal drugs... as we mentioned... it could be from sickness, changes in life, or good old time.)

We all say, "I wish I had that person... NOW!!!" But only God knows if we're truly equipped to handle what's to come. How we feel or how things, including looks, change, does not undermine or lessen our responsibility towards someone in marriage before God.
 
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Bobbyking

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Hi

When I first met my wife twenty years ago, I was honestly attracted by her looks. No, she's not the Hollywood to-die-for type, but she's attractive, TO ME!

Subsequently, we decided to tie the knot because we know that the thing that binds us together is our commitment to God first and then to each other. Nevertheless, our looks are vitally important and hence, we dress well for each other.

Point is, ask God to teach you how to dress well and carry yourself presentable and add on with spiritual maturity, you can potentially be a very attractive person in Christ!
 

Elizabeth619

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Even though from your end you're mostly seeing that I going mostly for the looks, but the personalty is very important to me too. After the looks go their would still be her personalty and everything else I'd love about the girl. Though thinking about 20 years later is mostly why I don't a overweight girl. I do find a little overweight attractive, but after 2 kids(yes, I want 2 kids. boy and a girl) I'm just thinking she'd probably a lot over weight after 20-30. Which is why I'm looking for a thinner girl, who will still probably gain a little after 20-30,but will still be attractive to me size wise.

I'm really sorry, but being very overweight is just one the biggest turn offs for me.

Just wait til you see this really hot girl you fall for. You marry her. Then when middle age sets in. A few kids and hormone changes she will put on some weight. Are you gonna leave her when she gains weight?
 
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Matthew

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Does it matter? Should it matter? What happens 20 years down the road if that was the main draw? Why do people want to DATE attractive people, but not have serious relationships with them? Wouldn't it be ideal to be someone who gets lost in the crowd so that you know you are loved for the real you?
If that was the main draw then I think what happens is divorce, the people involved in that relationship will most likely give into that weakness again and go dating younger people.

I think if we are all honest we have a shallow side to our personalities and it's nothing to be proud of, but it is that part of us that stops and looks on at the celebrities, everyone wants to feel they are attractive and we feel more so when we are around others we consider attractive. The reason those attractions don't turn into serious realtionships is that people discover it's just the image, not the person.

For myself personally one of the big difficulties in being single and not wanting to be is that I really want the kind of life you mentioned, a face in the crowd truly valued by the one who loves me, but as a face in the crowd she may never meet me, it does fuel the fires of vanity sometimes, but it's OK because I don't have a lot to work with so I can't slide too far!

I don't see it as an issue really because whoever I hopefully marry will be beautiful to my eyes in body and soul. True beauty is not subject to change.
 
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Jullianna

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I think I love you, Matthew :eek:
 
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nanabean

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The thing is though, people DO still care about looks twenty years down the road.

Sure we do......but in most cases, as we mature and see life a bit more sensibly, we know that "looks" go deeper than outside appearances.

It's one of the many reasons why you hear of so many 20-year marriages, if they last that long, breaking up, often with a spouse leaving for the younger, better-looking candidate.

Then they were not truly IN love with thier spouse in the first place. I'm sorry, but I beleive this. Not saying they didn't love them, just there is a difference between loving someone and being IN love with them.

We all wish we'd find "the right one"... but only God knows what will happen in the future. Sickness, changes in life, ups and downs are pretty much inevitable in this life. What if God knows that that hot girl you're eyeing is going to get cancer 20 years from now? You are bound to that person before God for the rest of your life. Will you stick by her or will you leave for someone else? I'm watching co-workers go through these dilemmas everyday. When they got married at 23, they never expected things like chemo, complete hair loss, and a masectomy.

Seriously?? This is what I mean about being IN love with who you marry....and taking the vows seriously as well. Whatever happened to "in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, .....etc?? till death do us part"? To me this means you are fully committed to this person for the rest of your life. If you cannot be.....then don't say "I do". My hubby was not bald when we married, but if his hairline recedes much more, I won't need the scissors come haircutting time. Just the buzzer. I have fluxuated with my wieght (I struggle) and we have both changed in different ways. I think when the match is right, the rest falls into place and you do what you have to do to adjust along with each other.

What if God knows that really cute Mr. Man in front of you is going to lose his job and not find another one in 5 years... Will you leave him for "the other guy" you know at work who happens to make a lot of money, especially now that you have four kids to support?

Again, if the match is right, no you wont go for the other guy with money, because you are committed to the man you married and are IN love with him. These things do come down to choices too. You can chose not to go looking elsewhere since you are already married!

I'm just as guilty. I wonder myself if I could handle these kinds of situations... which is probably why God hasn't sent me the right person yet.

From everything I have seen you wirte in the forums, I honestly beleive that if you decide to get married someday, it will be forever, and that you will be able to handle what God puts before you.

Have any of you seen the movie, "Limitless"? Think of Bradley Cooper's ex-wife in the film. What if your spouse ends up looking like his ex-wife did? Would you stay with someone whose looks changed? (It doesn't have to be from illegal drugs... as we mentioned... it could be from sickness, changes in life, or good old time.)

Never seen the film, but do we, any of us, think for one minute, we or our spouse will not change in some physical way over the course of 20 years??? (or more) Of course we none of us want to consider illnesses, and such, but we should all know it CAN happen (Lord forbid....but it does) and that we should be able, before marrying, to say that we love that person enough to see things through no matter what.

We all say, "I wish I had that person... NOW!!!" But only God knows if we're truly equipped to handle what's to come. How we feel or how things, including looks, change, does not undermine or lessen our responsibility towards someone in marriage before God.
No they don't.......this is very true. That is why it is important to look beyond looks. Attractiveness does have a role in who we think we want to meet and get to know, but ultimately it should not be a deciding factor on who we marry.
 
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1still_waters

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James 3 7 For every creature—animal or bird, reptile or fish—is tamed and has been tamed by man, 8 but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. (G) 9 With it we bless our [d] Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who are made in God's likeness. (H) 10 Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things should not be this way.

Let's recognize the beauty within humans and also the remaining twisted residue of sin remaining in humans. We can praise God with our tongue and we can curse man with it too. This verse shows the war between the inward beauty God put in us vs the ugly stains in us.

People may make shallow judgements, but at the same time make the most beautiful of judgements and decisions. Your shallow side may drive you to being attracted to someone, but your beautiful side may drive you to value them once they lose their outward beauty.

We're a grab bag of unpredictable contradictions.

That's where grace steps in. Jesus sees our unpredictable contradictions and loves us anyways. Once we grasp that, we can reflect it back to the grab bag of unpredictable contradictions we may end up with.
 
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GreenNnice

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Beauty becomes moot when you meet The One from God for you.

I liken it to a best friend, and, I was blessed with having five friends growing up that were all really good friends. I didn't call any of them best friend but I did not care about any of their look deficiencies or hang-ups with their social character because....

Because why?

I knew who they were and I knew we had a BOND that was called friendship.

Marriage should be just that, not only from God but be a true friendship as that companionship and love for that one in your life chosen by God will conquer all. :)
 
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Sooner28

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We have several threads about looks and most of the polls we've taken suggest that looks play a very large part in why we date someone. While the polls I've seen here seem to suggest that how a woman looks matters more to the guys, a lot of women have confessed to this being a big deal too. So, how do you know whether someone really likes you for the real you or simply for the way you look? Does it matter? Should it matter? What happens 20 years down the road if that was the main draw? Why do people want to DATE attractive people, but not have serious relationships with them? Wouldn't it be ideal to be someone who gets lost in the crowd so that you know you are loved for the real you?
For most people, life is like a series of short sprints that eventually add up into a marathon. People do not consider what it will be like 20 years from now. What if your partner were to become paralyzed? Or burned in an accident? People seem to MOSTLY (not all) make decisions in the following way: Hey this person is cute. They are fun to be around. We should date. If we get along long enough we will get married. Blah blah, then divorce. I think looks probably matter most in the beginning, before you know anything about someone, and later on they matter less and less (if you are serious about the relationship). But human beings are really hard to predict, and people also change throughout their lives. So someone who was on the vain side early on and got married could mature and up up being a wonderful husband or wife later on down the line when looks are gone or there is a crisis.
 
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SoTxSpartan

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I look for personality most of all in a close 2nd looks. I couldnt stand to be with a very attractive hot ect.. girl thats as dull and boring as a bucket of nails or annoying, irratating, obnoxious ect... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for me i have found normal/average girls attractive so much more than dolled up ones. I'm turned off by girls that wear too much make-up or that i know took awhile to do it haha cause whats underneath that mast? haha, plus they look high maintenance and im not dealing with that lol. As for the weight issue, i like somebody that is fit, some of you might say but you should love them for who they are, well to me being overweight shows lack of respect/care for their bodys. I know im not perfect but im working on it was 245 at one point in my life (if any girls didnt give me a 2nd look i wouldnt blame them i was overweight) but now down to 190 shooting for 180. Our bodies are the temples of Christ we should be treating it that way. I'm hoping the future mrs will the share the same logic. I know there is some naturally bigger girls but thats not the case for everybody. As for the majority dating for looks i dont know why, people are dumb, they let the physical world lead and ruin their lives.