Gay Marriage and Homophobia

willfollowsGod · Feb 23, 2016

Sweetling, if you ever come back to Christian Chat not as a troll but as a person who is genuinely curious about why Christians believe the way they do about homosexual ''marriage'', you will be welcomed back with open arms. But if you just want to troll us because we have different views and label us as bigots, intolerant, homophobes, idiots, etc due to the different paradigm that we share from you, then it is a lost cause, I have decided after a lot of thought to follow what God says and not what man, culture, society, etc says. Rome told Christians to do things their way, the Christians did not budge so we will not budge. As it says in Acts 5:29, we must obey God rather than men. We follow God's moral law as revealed in both the Old and New Testaments. God said in Genesis, Matthew, Mark, and other places clearly that marriage is between one man and one woman. If God had said what you are saying, then we would not be having this discussion. Now, if these pro-homosexuality activists were not militants, were not calling us homophobic, and if we were allowed to keep our beliefs, believe as we do without being fined, sent death threats, hate mail, ridiculed, mocked, hated, silenced, and/or fired, then while we would still believe that gay marriage is not biblical, we could at least be friends. Sadly, nowadays this is a wedge that is being put in between those who favor marriage and those who have redefined it for their own sexual thoughts and proclivities as well as have redefined what love is. Love according to Christians is not a feeling, it is an action based on the idea of sacrifice like Jesus did. A good biblical definition of love is in 1 Corinthians 13. We love because Jesus first loved us. We are called to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength and love our neighbor as ourselves. Loving does not mean supporting the sin that they do or think, whatever it is and we also are called to hate the sin in our own lives and leave it behind daily. We are not inserting ourself and our beliefs into someone else's life, it is actually the pro-homosexuality militant activists who are doing this into our lives and we do not want it. If we do marry, it is not just based on love but other factors and not based on feelings which can be manipulated and at times can be false. Thanks. God bless.

coby · Feb 24, 2016

Sweetling001 said:

It's none of my business. Since it's legal here I don't say anything about it to them. I do pray for them though and if they ask why I think it's sin I tell them.
I told one guy who was married with a guy on a Dutch forum that God was simply jealous, because He wants to marry him. Lol he was like: wut?
Same as wanting to marry a guy for me if he's not saved. God doesn't want that. If I do it anyway it's idolatry and I am more interested in the guy than God.

Adam6466 · May 16, 2016

The last I checked America had freedom of religion. The fact that America Allows gay marriage has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with the freedom of religion in certain religions allowing gay marriage. Christianity is not the only religion in America people.

Lynx · May 16, 2016

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! No no no NO! Just when I think this thread has finally died, every time it gets dug up again. It's like a sucker punch, always right when you are not expecting it.

kaylagrl · May 16, 2016

Lynx said:

Lets end this the same way we do every thread that wont die...

Two kinds! I see a certain ladybug has already helped herself.

Born_Again · May 16, 2016

Define marriage....... We are using the same vocabulary but coming at it from two different definitions...

willfollowsGod · May 16, 2016

Adam6466 said:

First of all, cut the snark. We know that not everyone in America is a Christian, we are not stupid. Secondly, we know it has freedom of religion but sadly that freedom is being encroached on by militant secularists, atheists, pro-homosexuality activists, etc. So we are being forced into a corner and told to accept homosexuality as natural, not harmful, supported by God, etc or else you will be mocked, ridiculed, hated, persecuted, fined, etc for your Christian beliefs. Thirdly, it is not just America allowing homosexual marriage that is the problem, it is trying to force Christians to believe that it is ok in God's eyes and is marriage which God refutes in Genesis and he refutes in Matthew and Mark saying that marriage is between one man and one woman. Now, if we were allowed to follow our beliefs on marriage and the pro-homosexuality activists were believing their thing and leaving us alone then it would be a different story. Sadly, that is not what is happened. Many cases of bullying by the pro-homosexuality crowd have happened in the United States. In Colorado, Jack Philips politely refused to make a wedding cake for a homosexual marriage. After that encounter, the couple sued him, fined him, and he lost his business thanks to their bullying tactics. The pastors in Houston being subpoenaed by the lesbian mayor of that city since their sermons were against homosexuality and she did not like that and called it hate speech, thankfully they won their case. You should see the negative comments thrown at Christians and homosexuals who renounce their homosexuality and become Christian, it is vitriolic, hateful, has death threats, etc. It gets nasty, sure is not tolerant of different beliefs except their own. The Klein family refused to bake a cake for a homosexual marriage, they were sued, fined, and their money from their bank account was stolen by Brad Avakian in Oregon. In Washington, if I remember correctly, a woman named Baronelle Stutzman refused to give flowers for a homosexual ceremony to her client, she had given him flowers for things that were not of that nature. Sadly, he sued, she was fined, and she might lose her business. Not to mention there was a case involving Christian photographers who refused to violate the conscience God has worked on, that they would not photograph a lesbian wedding. They were sued, fined, and lost their case and one person they should have compromised their beliefs, but if they did that they would be going against God. For more cases of this check out God Less America by Todd Starnes. Thanks. God bless.

Lynx · May 17, 2016

I see. This is just one of those things like death or taxes - an event that happens and there's nothing we can do about it but accept it. This thread will be revived once every four or five months and people will argue about it for a bit longer like my dog chewing on an old bone for awhile. No matter what anybody says or does, this thread will always be revived until Jesus returns. Might as well just accept it and move on.

Mitspa · May 17, 2016

Adam6466 said:

Freedom of religion ..means the American people have the right to shape their own society as they desire ..according to their own religious beliefs .. Its called a Democratic Republic ... Being a sexual deviant is not a religion nor a protected civil right.

Demi777 · May 17, 2016

Mitspa said:

Plus
Marriage is made by Religion and the Religions that started Marriage was strictly Man and woman only.
plus its a abomination, gross and unhuman... i could go on but I think Ive made my point clear.

Ahwatukee · May 17, 2016

You are correct, but it is the only one that God recognizes for salvation through His Son. Any system without Christ exists in vain.

Lynx · May 17, 2016

Mitspa said:

Hmm... I recall some religions that had "priestesses" at the temple to serve the congregation... They weren't christian but they were official religions of the time.

Ahwatukee · May 17, 2016

Demi777 said:

I would only add that, religions didn't create marriage, as God is the creator of the institution of marriage:

"In the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ?So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Mitspa · May 17, 2016

Lynx said:

So... Whats your point? My point is that we the people of America have the right to shape our society as we like and Christians in this nation have every right to say we don't want our society perverted by this sort of nonsense ...not sure how you bring in the priestesses?

Donkeyfish07 · May 17, 2016

Lynx · May 17, 2016

Mitspa said:

You said being a sexual deviant is not a religion. Depends how you define it. There were some religions that had sexual deviation as their prime attraction.

Mitspa · May 17, 2016

Lynx said:

Yes all religions have sexual deviants ...im sure ... but in the context of this conversation ..being a sexual deviant is not a protected religious class in America ....not yet anyway.

Lynx · May 17, 2016

Ah, that's what you meant.

Well... give it time. I'd say seven more years, maximum. >.>

Mitspa · May 17, 2016

Lynx said:

for sure if Hillary gets to pick the next judges in our nation... but Trump says he will pick conservatives and if that happens? this nonsense can be thrown back 20 years and our children might have a chance to grow-up in a nation where they are not taught how to sodomize each other in grade school.

Calmador · May 17, 2016

Protection_Retribution said:

The idea that a heterosexual couple producing children is actually talked about in regards to gay marriage vs traditional marriage. It's an important idea because if nature intended for only men and women to have children then its an objective way to talk about marriage. It's only possible that a heterosexual couple can produce children. This is based off natural law.

So, yes, one of the reasons for marriage, based off natural law, is to procreate.

Actually, I'm willing to bet more often than not... heterosexual marriages are easily better environments.

1) Studies have shown that when adopted kids are have some kind of "knowledge" that they are adopted and don't belong... this causes grief and they suffer as if they were abandoned. By default... all homosexual couples that are pretending to have families will have this effect on the children.

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/long-term-issues-for-the-adopted-child/

2) Studies show that men, fathers, have a great effect on sons and daughters. Studies show fathers reduce how delinquent boys are... and make it so that the kids respect mom more as-well. Also, fathers have the effect of making girls less sexually active at a younger age and less teen pregnancy. All around pluses for having a male father.

3) Homosexuals tend to be hyper-sexual. Evidence for homosexuality being perverted. The trend is that homosexuals tend to have sex with strangers. About 28% in one study have admitted to having over 1000 partners. And in "marriages" about 80% in another study have admitted to infidelity. Most homosexual couples are probably unstable due to basically not being able to control their sexual urges. They in general are perverted and can't help but engage in a lot of sex... So, homosexuals more often than not trying to have a stable comitted partnership... will not stay faithful sexually for long because they in general can't control their sexual drive.

https://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity

And no, I doubt anyone would advocate abusive parenting. However, between heterosexual marriages vs homosexual "marriages" there would easily be more abuse in a homosexual marriage. The children are for more safer in the more stable relationships that heterosexual marriages make.

I doubt he'd treat people of lower intelligence with disdain. A black man and a white woman can actually produce children. By natural law, this is natural. A homosexual couple can't do that... so, its unnatural.

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