let's talk about marriage and virginity

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Newlywedfem

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Hi all. Im newly married, and a virgin, and have not yet had sex with my husband. How do I let god guide me when I have fears of my first time? How do I begin to give myself totally? My husband also wants to try for a baby. Desperately seeking help and advice. Thank you.
 

Oncefallen

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Hi all. Im newly married, and a virgin, and have not yet had sex with my husband. How do I let god guide me when I have fears of my first time? How do I begin to give myself totally? My husband also wants to try for a baby. Desperately seeking help and advice. Thank you.
This is really a subject best discussed among the ladies, not in an open forum. Normally you would not see the private ladies forum for a week, however I have enabled that feature now so you can discuss this with other women in a candid fashion.
 
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lav

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"let's talk about marriage and virginity "





...uhhh, how 'bout, let's not.
 
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Beckster

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I used to wonder why God had commanded for marriage to come first before sex. But early this year I learned why. It hurt the next morning to wake up alone. I cried for months because I had given something I had held dear and precious and the receiver took it as nothing but a quick way to give himself pleasure. That morning, I looked up at the sky and whispered a heartfelt apology to God for not seeing that He gave us those commands because He loves us and He knows the consequences and the heartache that is created.

It hurts me that I won't have nothing to give my future husband. But thankfully, God washes us clean and makes us white as snow again :)
 
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My sister doesn't want to get married because of statistics. She thinks that she'll have sex when she feels compatible with the person and when the prove they are loyal. But my thing is if you had that why wouldn't you get married anyways. Or wait to get married to that person when your lives are ready for marriage, or your ready to have a child. How would you not wanna confess your love to God your family and promise your commitment as in terms of forever and then have sex.
In modern relationships, marriage (in the most legal sense of the word) is often obsolete, and even damaging, considering the strains it puts on people financially, and the carnage legal divorces cause. And the ritual of marriage, at least in the oldest Abrahamic tradition, is about ownership of a woman, not about love. It's about paying a dowry to a woman's father to prove you can provide for her, to 'buy' her from the father and own her as property.

And even if many will say 'but it's not about that, it's not anymore, it's about love', well then love itself should be bond enough, if it's genuinely love.

There is no requirement for a couple to undergo a legal ceremony, or even a church ceremony, for a couple to be considered biblically married, and in fact, consummation is confirmation of a partnership to a greater extent than a church ceremony is. It is a commitment, by two people toward one another and toward the Godly way of sexual partnership, that is; faithfulness, compassion, patience, kindness, loving temperament, self-sacrifice, charity, forgiveness and benevolence.

Those are the real commitments, and the real tenets.

Outside of that, the bible doesn't actually forbid sex outside marriage, but it warns about uncontrollable lusts of all kinds, about allowing yourself to become bitter or 'hard-hearted', and about responsibility.
 
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I used to wonder why God had commanded for marriage to come first before sex. But early this year I learned why. It hurt the next morning to wake up alone. I cried for months because I had given something I had held dear and precious and the receiver took it as nothing but a quick way to give himself pleasure. That morning, I looked up at the sky and whispered a heartfelt apology to God for not seeing that He gave us those commands because He loves us and He knows the consequences and the heartache that is created.

It hurts me that I won't have nothing to give my future husband. But thankfully, God washes us clean and makes us white as snow again :)
You have everything to give a future husband, including an understanding of heartache, which I hope makes you all the more eager not to cause it, rather than bitter because you have felt it.
 
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And even if many will say 'but it's not about that, it's not anymore, it's about love', well then love itself should be bond enough, if it's genuinely love.
If love were enough there would be no need to call for commitment. The fact that there is a call for commitment means that feelings of love are not enough in and of themselves to sustain a relationship. Anyone who has ever broken up with someone they loved at one point in time could tell you that. Are you implying that so many people don't have real love? Or is "love is enough" really a euphemism for I'm still selfish enough that if my feelings change I don't want anything to compel me to stay?

There is no requirement for a couple to undergo a legal ceremony, or even a church ceremony, for a couple to be considered biblically married, and in fact, consummation is confirmation of a partnership to a greater extent than a church ceremony is. It is a commitment, by two people toward one another and toward the Godly way of sexual partnership, that is; faithfulness, compassion, patience, kindness, loving temperament, self-sacrifice, charity, forgiveness and benevolence.

Those are the real commitments, and the real tenets.
The whole purpose of the public ceremony is to make such commitments public, which creates the accountability to uphold them and ideally should bring the community alongside the couple to help defend such commitments. How serious is a commitment that is nothing more than a secret between two people that one can deny at any time it becomes convenient? And in a day of easy sex, one night stands, and living together without bothering to get married, I'm not sure how you can say that consummation is a greater confirmation of partnership than legally becoming partners. Certainly a guy who isn't willing to become legally and in actual fact partners doesn't deserve to get all the benefits of that partnership.

Outside of that, the bible doesn't actually forbid sex outside marriage, but it warns about uncontrollable lusts of all kinds, about allowing yourself to become bitter or 'hard-hearted', and about responsibility.
Yes it does. What do you think the word fornication (or sexual immorality in the more modern translations) means?
See: Acts 15:20, 1 Cor 6:12-20, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3 etc. I think you can probably find a reference to avoiding sexual immorality in all of Paul's epistles and it was one of the few tenants of the Jewish law that the apostles felt it necessary to hold the non-Jewish believers to obey. This is serious stuff and you sir are quite simply in error about it.
 
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If love were enough there would be no need to call for commitment. The fact that there is a call for commitment means that feelings of love are not enough in and of themselves to sustain a relationship. Anyone who has ever broken up with someone they loved at one point in time could tell you that. Are you implying that so many people don't have real love? Or is "love is enough" really a euphemism for I'm still selfish enough that if my feelings change I don't want anything to compel me to stay?



The whole purpose of the public ceremony is to make such commitments public, which creates the accountability to uphold them and ideally should bring the community alongside the couple to help defend such commitments. How serious is a commitment that is nothing more than a secret between two people that one can deny at any time it becomes convenient? And in a day of easy sex, one night stands, and living together without bothering to get married, I'm not sure how you can say that consummation is a greater confirmation of partnership than legally becoming partners. Certainly a guy who isn't willing to become legally and in actual fact partners doesn't deserve to get all the benefits of that partnership.



Yes it does. What do you think the word fornication (or sexual immorality in the more modern translations) means?
See: Acts 15:20, 1 Cor 6:12-20, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3 etc. I think you can probably find a reference to avoiding sexual immorality in all of Paul's epistles and it was one of the few tenants of the Jewish law that the apostles felt it necessary to hold the non-Jewish believers to obey. This is serious stuff and you sir are quite simply in error about it.
Just because you require a legally binding contract in order to stay faithful and committed to nurturing your relationship, does not mean that I do. A commitment is either genuine and freely given, or it is not.
 
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ww_21

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I'd rather talk about unicorns. *shrugs*
 
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Beckster

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You have everything to give a future husband, including an understanding of heartache, which I hope makes you all the more eager not to cause it, rather than bitter because you have felt it.
Your words were a balm to my heart. Thank you Esanta.
 
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Shouryu

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I'd rather talk about unicorns. *shrugs*
That settles it. We were destined to be, Emmy. We totally have to get married now. You get your live-in chef, and I get someone who wants to talk about unicorns.

 
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ww_21

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That settles it. We were destined to be, Emmy. We totally have to get married now. You get your live-in chef, and I get someone who wants to talk about unicorns.

Get me a bacon ring and it's done!!
 
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lav

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i'm sorry Beckster, my response seems really insensitive. i didn't mean to be rude to you, i was in a foul mood and all i know is that it's more than worth it to wait for maraige. i also didn't see the post on your thread right before mine, :( sorry. i was just randomly going about making unedited comments (something i have to be very careful of, apparently- hah.) you obviously can't control the decisions others make, but you can stand for what is right by making your own decisions and being a good example to others. i wish you the best.