Living with a diseased person

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zeroturbulence

zeroturbulence

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MaggieMye said:
2~When every God put illness upon someone, it was because of their unrepented sin;
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No offense MaggieMye, but that is not the case. Job was made sicker than anybody in the bible because God was testing him even though God himself declared that Job was perfect in his faith.

And YES I know that God allowed the devil to make Job sick. That's because the devil challenged God and God accepted. In Revelation there are wraiths and plagues all sent down by God Himself, not by God allowing the devil. The wraiths are poured from heavenly bowls and sensers which are being held by angels as we speak.
 
zeroturbulence

zeroturbulence

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vahn said:
Regardless, God wants us all to be healed from every sickness. I'm not venturing on this bunny trail with you, sorry.
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I am simply showing the truth that is in the scriptures. Its not right to make people think that sickness only comes from the devil because there are people who will not get well no matter how much they pray or are prayed over. If God did not heal them after they begged for mercy and forgiveness and had people praying over them then how can we continue to trust in God's word? There is nothing blurry about what I am saying. If you just don't want to accept the truth and think that God just wants everyone to be happy and well, then you can go on believing that but it is not what the Holy Bible teaches.
 
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MaggieMye

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Job is the ONLY person that God allowed Satan to 'have at' and for the sole purpose of revealing the level of faith that Job had and that we are TO have. Since the Cross, there is nothing in scripture to support God doing such a thing. On the Contrary, because of the Cross, we now have authority over all sickness and disease.

"In Revelation there are wraiths and plagues all sent down by God Himself, not by God allowing the devil. The wraiths are poured from heavenly bowls and sensers which are being held by angels as we speak. "
Yes, and Born again Christians, the overcomers, those doing the word of God will NOT suffer God's wrath.
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Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Romans 13:4
for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evilEphesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6
For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
 
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vahn

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zeroturbulence said:
I am simply showing the truth that is in the scriptures. Its not right to make people think that sickness only comes from the devil because there are people who will not get well no matter how much they pray or are prayed over. If God did not heal them after they begged for mercy and forgiveness and had people praying over them then how can we continue to trust in God's word? There is nothing blurry about what I am saying. If you just don't want to accept the truth and think that God just wants everyone to be happy and well, then you can go on believing that but it is not what the Holy Bible teaches.
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You should read the NT.
 
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NukePooch

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It is irrelevant whether God actually causes people to become sick or not. If God personally makes a person sick, or, if He allows Satan to make the person sick amounts to the same thing. God is in control of all things, as the Master Creator of all things, He decides what goes. Nothing happens without His say so...So, if sickness happens that He didn't cause, it exists because He allows it to exist. Therefore, the argument that God wants everyone to be healthy and well is void, because if sickness exists, He allows it. If poor people exist, He allows it. If evil exists, He allows it.
Doesn't mean He likes it, but if it exists in this world, it exists because He allows it. He could solve it all (and will) when He wants. Currently, He doesn't want everyone to be perfectly healthy and to live forever. If He did, we would.

God allows 'bad' things to happen for a myriad of reasons. One of the biggest seems to be as an attention-getter. If I am perfectly healthy, prosperous, rich, powerful, well-liked, etc...why would I need God? God knows that we sometimes need to see what the gutter feels like before we know to reach up to Him.
 
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