Movies you DON'T recommend!!

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Look at how the evil adressed in Shakespeares plays ends up... there is no rest for the wicked in these plays. Quite opposed to the messages you find in modern movies, that if you have money you are happy, that if you are a gangster you have the world at your feet, if you are a murderer you are the hero of the story.. how sick and twisted are these messages, how many people are even aware of what they suggest?? i find the messages of most ovies to be, to put it as blunt as i can, satanic.
 
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oh and thank you for your time to anyone who takes it to read what i write, and thanks for putting up with my posts on this thread

Glory to God that there is heaven on earth! Please Lord help me to see it!!
 
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This is not a fantasy life. this is a real and brutal existance that no one can ignore. most "christian" themed movies ignore entirely the fact that the world is evil. Shakespeare has no illusions as to the pityable condition of this fallen world. Shakespeare and Dickens paint a trueer portrait of the world we live in. The underlying themes of their work are truly Christian. Look at what happens in these plays to the ones who work evil, the message being that passion destroys men and women. That is the message of Christ.
I understand what you're saying but you really believe Shakespeare is the only one who portrays this? It just seemed a bizarre example to use considering in a lot of his stories there is a lot of fantasy like Midsummer Night's Dream which had fairies and a man with a donkey's head, and there are a lot of scenarios where having the desire to exact revenge (which many will argue is evil) works in your favor like it did for Mark Antony in Julius Caesar, or it can backlash and kill everyone no matter who's side they're on like in Hamlet. I guess I've never thought of Shakespeare as a "realistic" writer. Most of his characters are ridiculous, a lot of his premises, while entertaining, are hard to take seriously with the exceptions of his historical plays which were actually based on real events. And not to mention Shakespeare himself at times is a bit of a pig and a sadist himself. And as entertaining as that tends to make his stories, it also makes them, in my opinion, unrealistic because nothing ever looks real in the eyes of a sadist, which is probably why his comedies often included mythical creatures and some of the most bizarre story lines I've ever seen for a play. To me, the only messages Shakespeare gives are "Everyone is either evil or insane." People are capable of every evil in the world, I do believe that, but taking it to the extreme where "everyone is evil and we're all gonna die," is when it just gets silly.
 
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Look at how the evil adressed in Shakespeares plays ends up... there is no rest for the wicked in these plays. Quite opposed to the messages you find in modern movies, that if you have money you are happy, that if you are a gangster you have the world at your feet, if you are a murderer you are the hero of the story.. how sick and twisted are these messages, how many people are even aware of what they suggest?? i find the messages of most ovies to be, to put it as blunt as i can, satanic.
Again I have to disagree mainly because I've seen a lot of modern movies that teach the lessons you claim you want to see where evil does not prevail and every action has its consequences. Perfect example is my favorite movie of all time, Requiem for a Dream. They could have done your generic "drugs are bad" plot, but that movie goes far beyond that and shows how lust, greed, pride, and just a history of really stupid choices can destroy your life in ways you can't begin to imagine. Or the movie Se7en. Brad Pitt's character is an extremely arrogant cop with some real anger issues but he's one of the "good guys" but in the end even his own personality flaws come back to bite him and really demonstrates the saying, "Pride cometh before the fall." Irreversible, one of the movies in my top 5 movies to never see, also has this theme too when you discover that the main male character, who is out to avenge the rape and brutal beating of his fiance, ends up tracking down and brutally murdering the man he thinks did it... only to kill the wrong person entirely and for the real criminal to walk away and him to go to jail with one count of murder.

Or let's take a movie that came out last year, Black Swan. Natalie Portman plays a fragile ballerina that wants to be the best. No matter how good she gets she's never good enough, and when she ends up with the lead role of their next production she's still not happy because now she wants a relationship with the director. When he starts to move in on her, she's still not happy because she still wants more. No matter how good she gets and how much she gets she's never happy and always wanting more and it builds up her psychosis and even creates a paranoia where suddenly she things everyone is out to get her. In the end it all builds up to a very well scripted mental breakdown where she is literally battling the darker side of herself, and when she surrenders and lets herself become the villain, she immediately "dies" (well the movie is vague on if she really died in the final scene but I didn't really see her bouncing back from that). Moral of the story, don't get greedy. Be happy with what you have and you won't lose your mind and start sprouting feathers lol. Oh yeah, and since this was done by the same director who did Requiem for a Dream, there's also a brief, "Drugs are bad," message too. Idk what that man's obsession is with drugs but it makes for some good movies.

If you seriously can't find modern movies that depict a realistic view on evil and its consequences, you really aren't looking hard enough because there are a lot of them.
 
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Thanks for telling me how it ended. I turned it off after the first half hour. haha
This I why I don't have a list of films that are really bad, whenever one is on that track I just don't finish it, I'd rather spend the time doing other things which is why I choose more carefully now what I pay to see at the cinema.

After watchiing all of Signs I decided that I wasn't going to be so generous with finishing bad films in the future.
 
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It might amuse you a little to know I also review children's cartoons lol.
I'm sorry you find the excuse of, "It's not real," as lame, but honestly that's a big part of why most of those movies don't bother me. I've been around real violence, I've been around real horror myself. When you've had it happen, suddenly the imaginary is too fake to take as seriously as real violence. It might bother you a bit but in the end you know it's fake. Keep in mind no two people are alike, so where some people can stomach their horror, others can't, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some people can stomach Twilight. And to make Twilight relevant to the "Why would you watch something disturbing?" topic, remember that aside from werewolves and vampires, it also depicts the mental breakdown of a teenage girl that by the second book goes down an extremely self-destructive path just to make her ex boyfriend notice her. I for one cannot stomach Twilight because I find the premise ridiculous and the love story cliche. Does that make one of us right and the other wrong? No, it just means we have different tastes. We are unique creatures, we should embrace it.

The other reason I got into these movies is because they all have stories behind them, and researching their history is honestly more fun than the movies themselves, which is part of what I do on the blog. I've come across ones that have been banned all over the world for various reasons, I've had ones that got directors killed and others that lead them to have to prove to a federal court that they did not murder their cast while making their movies. Being a fan of true-crime, researching this is a lot of fun for me. In fact this reason is usually the biggest for why I got into these types of films.

I do agree that all movies have messages in them, however I feel many of them are dependent on how the viewer interprets them. Some of the movies I listed before were designed to have a message, or so the directors claimed, but in the end the only message they gave was, "I wanna disturb and make my audience feel as uncomfortable as I can."




The porn analogy is invalid because that's not fake, those people really are naked and having sex, and if the wife believes that watching porn is the same as having an actual affair in your mind, like many Christians do, then thaty gives her fair grounds to get a little cranky with him.



I agree with your ex that Saw is more of a thriller than a horror. Saw was designed to make you think (well at least the first one was, I can't say the same for the sequels). Each of the victims in the movies are captured for various reasons, usually ones revolving around the fact that they had wasted their lives and they now had to either man up and prove they were "worth living" by saving themselves, or let themselves die. I put "worth living" in quotes because I know people will argue that that's not how you determine that, however that's how the character, Jigsaw, determined it. Horror movies tend to be more about fear of things you can't prevent like Freddy Krueger, Michael Meyers, or any other great slasher villains, but I'm getting off topic.

I would not consider Passion of the Christ horror. Just because it's bloody does not make it horror. If it did then the Bible itself could be considered a horror story (see the story of the Man and his Concubine if you don't believe me). If anything I guess you could say it falls under the "Historical/Religious" category.

As for your question on what messages other horror movies have, I already answered this question above and since this response is rather lengthy I'll refrain from repeating myself.
I wasn't calling Passion of the Christ horror, I said that it had sadistic violence in it (which is what the R16 label said).
Im well versed in the plots of all the Saw movies and I really wish after the third one that they would just stop. Continual sequels with the same general plot, with different 'emotional detective' characters get boring, and then they literally torture us again by dragging it even further by killing off the main killer and well what do you know, a former victim becomes the new inspired killer! You've got to be joking. And whats so thought provoking about surviving victims being more gratetful with their new lives. For some sick reason humans love the idea of karma, humans don't like the notion of people commiting huge sins and then recieving mercy and compassion, once they repent. eg the girl who had to climb through a container of needles to get a key or serum or whatever it was.
All of these stupid plots of a new release on life through torture spit in the face of what Jesus was trying to achieve. You said it yourself that the characters are lead to either save themselves or die with absolutely no other option. What is that message telling people? That people have to get out of crap using their own strength (which the bible says will never work), or the other option being that they are worthless to themselves, their community and are definitely not precious in ths sight of God and that they should just die.

As a christian walking into a cinema and watching a movie, and say Jesus was sitting next to you. Do you REALLY think afterwards when you discuss the movie with him that he'd say "oh yeah, that torture scene to that guy having to cut his foot off was soooo thought provoking." Hmmm?
 
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I wasn't calling Passion of the Christ horror, I said that it had sadistic violence in it (which is what the R16 label said).
Im well versed in the plots of all the Saw movies and I really wish after the third one that they would just stop. Continual sequels with the same general plot, with different 'emotional detective' characters get boring, and then they literally torture us again by dragging it even further by killing off the main killer and well what do you know, a former victim becomes the new inspired killer! You've got to be joking. And whats so thought provoking about surviving victims being more gratetful with their new lives. For some sick reason humans love the idea of karma, humans don't like the notion of people commiting huge sins and then recieving mercy and compassion, once they repent. eg the girl who had to climb through a container of needles to get a key or serum or whatever it was.
All of these stupid plots of a new release on life through torture spit in the face of what Jesus was trying to achieve. You said it yourself that the characters are lead to either save themselves or die with absolutely no other option. What is that message telling people? That people have to get out of crap using their own strength (which the bible says will never work), or the other option being that they are worthless to themselves, their community and are definitely not precious in ths sight of God and that they should just die.

As a christian walking into a cinema and watching a movie, and say Jesus was sitting next to you. Do you REALLY think afterwards when you discuss the movie with him that he'd say "oh yeah, that torture scene to that guy having to cut his foot off was soooo thought provoking." Hmmm?
I think the conversation would be more along the lines of me asking, "If you were in that situation would you be able to saw your foot off?" and he'd probably say, "I was crucified. Losing my foot would have been a vacation compared to that." and I'd say, "Touche." I'd like to think God has some sense of humor.

I'm about to probably make this confusing so follow me if you can, but the way I see it is that Jigsaw see's his message, or goal rather, to make these people push themselves to survive and if they do they walk away knowing they have the strength to do what it takes to keep themselves alive rather than lay back and die, and that gives them the motivation to start living their lives rather than wasting them to drugs, alcohol, crime, etc. And in some cases, he likes to make his less desirable victims suffer a little more in order to save themselves, I think as his own way of punishing them for things they've managed to get away with (like the rapist in the 3rd or 4th movie... I lost track of the devices after 2). Again, this is how Jigsaw sees it. I see the movies as more observing the disturbing psychology that makes up Jigsaw. We see how he thinks, the devices he comes up with, and his over all opinions of the characters he involves in his game. You're given all this to work with (in the first few anyways), and you basically either agree with his stance, or you probably disagree and it makes you start to think about the value of human life. It also gives you other concepts to ponder like how far is too far. The ones that had to put themselves in painful situations to survive was more of a matter of finding your inner strength, but what about the girl with the reverse bear trap on her head?

To survive she needed to cut out the key from inside the "dead body" laying next to her, only to discover as she was digging around that the man was in fact very much alive. At that point you're left with the choice to either stop what you're doing and sit back as both of you die (I'm basing this on the unlikelihood that Jigsaw would ever release the man or that anyone would have found him before he would have eventually died), or you can kill him and save yourself. Moments like that were designed to get you thinking, "Could I do that and live with myself?" Most of the scenes were more a matter of "Could I suck it up and go through all that pain and save myself?"

I can understand your dislike of the message that people need to be able to be strong for themselves since you very clearly believe mankind needs to depend on a God. However the director, as it's extremely obvious, is not a Christian, and will not write a movie like that with that point of view, so you can't expect him to. However if you can manage to see through his eyes what he was trying to create, whether you disagree with the message or not, it's still an interesting one.
 
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good thing u dont play video game
 
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lol i ment kiwi her brain may explode :p
 
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Lol I think the moral of that story is to not watch movies with an obvious title like Booty Call lol. Ive never heard of this movie but just the title alone would send me running hahaha
true dat ..as long as it's just you and your friends there..... when you have a stranger who looks like one of those really mean girls.... you may want to hold your bad movie comment....
 
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Still, the trailer they showed on tv depicts it as a sci-fi thriller like Independence Day or Close Encounters because they never showed the full trailer on tv. They only showed the huge spaceship parts and some of the super weapons because the full trailer is 2 and a half minutes long.. I was definitely not expecting an amateurish depiction of the conflict between lower and middle class society. I so wanted my money back. :mad: And what was with all of the raving reviews? Even if I came to see a movie about society it would still have stunk in my opinion. It was unbelievably predictable and cliche'. A 12 year old could have written a more moving and insightful story in my opinion.

It was about apartheid in South Africa o_O
 
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Plot: Run away and divorce your husband. Mutilate your faith. Shack up and marry the last guy you slept with.

...As if women weren't confused enough

You clearly didn't understand the cinematic complexities of this film lol. It was about her truly finding her place in the word and her way of finding God.
 
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it seems very strange to me that you are pointing out "unchristian" movies, when in fact no movie expresses a true christian message. Movies are a reflection of the world they are made in, not the ideal that we should be living. To anyone who looks for movies to be Christian in this century i suggest you stop looking. Perhaps adaptations of Dickens and Shakespeare, such as other classics MIGHT fit a christian way of thinking, christianity is shut out of the modern culture almost entirely.

you DO know Shakespeare was a radical of his time right? He wasn't at all religious...
 
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his professed beliefs were not christian... he was however a radical because he challenged the status quo.. he objected to the societal corruption he saw around him, the injustice of the times were exposed in his works for what they were... in this respect he is similar to great saints.. not to say he is one... but he was a seeker of the truth, and the truth of life is fulfilled in Christ.
 
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his professed beliefs were not christian... he was however a radical because he challenged the status quo.. he objected to the societal corruption he saw around him, the injustice of the times were exposed in his works for what they were... in this respect he is similar to great saints.. not to say he is one... but he was a seeker of the truth, and the truth of life is fulfilled in Christ.
i LOVE Shakespeare, so this isn't a commentary on him, but he wasn't Christian. To say his work is "Christian" is rather false. And to say he's seeking the truth, making him Christian is A LOT far fetched. The Buddha was seeking the truth, and obviously not Christian (or Jewish, since he lived 500 years before Jesus.)

You're being too critical on modern entertainment. Lighten up and enjoy your life.
 

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the last Indiana Jones movie....The Crystal Skull...or something like that. o_O

I am almost ashamed...ok, I am ashamed to admit that I sat all the way through it. I think I just had this hope that it would somewhere along the way take on a true Indie style and make it worth while....but it just kept getting creepier and creepier, and odder and odder.

One movie I will NEVER watch again! It was aweful!