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When Jesus cried out...that was the moment he became our sin...100%. A that moment God turned his face away from his son & could no longer look upon him because sin cannot stand in the presence of God. Jesus finally new what it was like to be separated from the Father..to have zero relationship with him as man did. He felt it so much more because he was taking the entire worlds' sin upon himself at that moment...all the pain,sickness,hatred,lust,greed,strife,envy...every horrible thing that kept man from God...taking the word of the law,that no man could keep & becoming the bridge for us to be seen by the Father through his blood.
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Rach, it's not a sin to ask questions.
"Lord, I don't understand it. Why?!"
There's nothing wrong or disrespectful in that. There's nothing disrespectful in telling God, "It feels like I'm all alone. I know You said You'd never leave or forsake me, but I feel forsaken right now." There's no sin in admitting that you feel defeated and broken, because that's precisely when He's there for us, even when we can't feel Him near us. It's only when our faith is pushed to it's very limit, stretched as thin as it can be, that we can really, truly experience just how amazing and wonderful He is. The sweetest taste comes after a famine after all...
We know that He doesn't abandon us. But we ourselves do lose focus and drift away. So all we can do is grit our teeth and claw our way back, and understand His love even more when He's right where we left Him.
"Lord, I don't understand it. Why?!"
There's nothing wrong or disrespectful in that. There's nothing disrespectful in telling God, "It feels like I'm all alone. I know You said You'd never leave or forsake me, but I feel forsaken right now." There's no sin in admitting that you feel defeated and broken, because that's precisely when He's there for us, even when we can't feel Him near us. It's only when our faith is pushed to it's very limit, stretched as thin as it can be, that we can really, truly experience just how amazing and wonderful He is. The sweetest taste comes after a famine after all...
We know that He doesn't abandon us. But we ourselves do lose focus and drift away. So all we can do is grit our teeth and claw our way back, and understand His love even more when He's right where we left Him.
I agree it's definitely not a sin. And God knows when there is doubt in your heart and the desire to question Him. But I also think it's also good to be careful when questioning God, too. Be prepared I'm about to post a very long chapter. But it's an important one to remember when questioning God. It's a bit after Job pretty much asks God "Why?" about...pretty much everything.
Job 38
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
God Speaks Now to Job
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?
Job 38
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
God Speaks Now to Job
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?
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This thread has officially become may place of venting so I apologize if I drive some of you insane, or to think I'm insane after reading my posts on here, just ignore and move on 
This one I've been thinking about for the past week or so, and showed some of my frustration about it in another thread, but honestly, the more time I spend around women, the more disinterested I get in dating again. I'm actually almost to that point of never even wanting to be with anyone again. I work in an oddity of a factory, as most factories have a majority of male employs and there are few women. Where I work we actually have a far higher ratio of women than men, and the way these women behave just makes me sick.
One person in particular I'm referring to has been married for 17 years and she is constantly getting flirty with most of the guys there. She kind of reminds me of the story of the prostitute and the fool in proverbs. Anyway, any guy who is really dumb enough to fall for it or even just likes the attention of someone flirting with them, she manipulates so that they will do something for her whenever she asks them to. And amazingly enough she always wins. And she gets extremely angry with someone when they won't let her flirt her way out of something. She started pulling the same on me, and I let her know very explicitly not talk to me like that, and she got mad at me and quit talking to me. A week later she started apologizing and asked if we could be friends again, I said that was fine, but don't ever talk to me like that again, and she got mad again
The sad part is, is that's how a lot of women there are, the sadder part is that, as I watch other single or dating women behave, christian or not, they do the exact same thing. Really? My ex-wife cheated on me, admitted it, and then denied it literally 5 minutes after she admitted it. If that wasn't enough to crush any trust in a future relationship, seeing this kind of flirty, manipulative behavior, even from christian women, does. It's kind of sick. Maybe some of you girls need to step up and make an example? Or how about we get over this whole "tact" and "tolerance" and "respect" thing and start calling people out on actions like this that only deceive and hurt.
This one I've been thinking about for the past week or so, and showed some of my frustration about it in another thread, but honestly, the more time I spend around women, the more disinterested I get in dating again. I'm actually almost to that point of never even wanting to be with anyone again. I work in an oddity of a factory, as most factories have a majority of male employs and there are few women. Where I work we actually have a far higher ratio of women than men, and the way these women behave just makes me sick.
One person in particular I'm referring to has been married for 17 years and she is constantly getting flirty with most of the guys there. She kind of reminds me of the story of the prostitute and the fool in proverbs. Anyway, any guy who is really dumb enough to fall for it or even just likes the attention of someone flirting with them, she manipulates so that they will do something for her whenever she asks them to. And amazingly enough she always wins. And she gets extremely angry with someone when they won't let her flirt her way out of something. She started pulling the same on me, and I let her know very explicitly not talk to me like that, and she got mad at me and quit talking to me. A week later she started apologizing and asked if we could be friends again, I said that was fine, but don't ever talk to me like that again, and she got mad again
The sad part is, is that's how a lot of women there are, the sadder part is that, as I watch other single or dating women behave, christian or not, they do the exact same thing. Really? My ex-wife cheated on me, admitted it, and then denied it literally 5 minutes after she admitted it. If that wasn't enough to crush any trust in a future relationship, seeing this kind of flirty, manipulative behavior, even from christian women, does. It's kind of sick. Maybe some of you girls need to step up and make an example? Or how about we get over this whole "tact" and "tolerance" and "respect" thing and start calling people out on actions like this that only deceive and hurt.
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This thread has officially become may place of venting so I apologize if I drive some of you insane, or to think I'm insane after reading my posts on here, just ignore and move on
This one I've been thinking about for the past week or so, and showed some of my frustration about it in another thread, but honestly, the more time I spend around women, the more disinterested I get in dating again. I'm actually almost to that point of never even wanting to be with anyone again. I work in an oddity of a factory, as most factories have a majority of male employs and there are few women. Where I work we actually have a far higher ratio of women than men, and the way these women behave just makes me sick.
One person in particular I'm referring to has been married for 17 years and she is constantly getting flirty with most of the guys there. She kind of reminds me of the story of the prostitute and the fool in proverbs. Anyway, any guy who is really dumb enough to fall for it or even just likes the attention of someone flirting with them, she manipulates so that they will do something for her whenever she asks them to. And amazingly enough she always wins. And she gets extremely angry with someone when they won't let her flirt her way out of something. She started pulling the same on me, and I let her know very explicitly not talk to me like that, and she got mad at me and quit talking to me. A week later she started apologizing and asked if we could be friends again, I said that was fine, but don't ever talk to me like that again, and she got mad again
The sad part is, is that's how a lot of women there are, the sadder part is that, as I watch other single or dating women behave, christian or not, they do the exact same thing. Really? My ex-wife cheated on me, admitted it, and then denied it literally 5 minutes after she admitted it. If that wasn't enough to crush any trust in a future relationship, seeing this kind of flirty, manipulative behavior, even from christian women, does. It's kind of sick. Maybe some of you girls need to step up and make an example? Or how about we get over this whole "tact" and "tolerance" and "respect" thing and start calling people out on actions like this that only deceive and hurt.
This one I've been thinking about for the past week or so, and showed some of my frustration about it in another thread, but honestly, the more time I spend around women, the more disinterested I get in dating again. I'm actually almost to that point of never even wanting to be with anyone again. I work in an oddity of a factory, as most factories have a majority of male employs and there are few women. Where I work we actually have a far higher ratio of women than men, and the way these women behave just makes me sick.
One person in particular I'm referring to has been married for 17 years and she is constantly getting flirty with most of the guys there. She kind of reminds me of the story of the prostitute and the fool in proverbs. Anyway, any guy who is really dumb enough to fall for it or even just likes the attention of someone flirting with them, she manipulates so that they will do something for her whenever she asks them to. And amazingly enough she always wins. And she gets extremely angry with someone when they won't let her flirt her way out of something. She started pulling the same on me, and I let her know very explicitly not talk to me like that, and she got mad at me and quit talking to me. A week later she started apologizing and asked if we could be friends again, I said that was fine, but don't ever talk to me like that again, and she got mad again
The sad part is, is that's how a lot of women there are, the sadder part is that, as I watch other single or dating women behave, christian or not, they do the exact same thing. Really? My ex-wife cheated on me, admitted it, and then denied it literally 5 minutes after she admitted it. If that wasn't enough to crush any trust in a future relationship, seeing this kind of flirty, manipulative behavior, even from christian women, does. It's kind of sick. Maybe some of you girls need to step up and make an example? Or how about we get over this whole "tact" and "tolerance" and "respect" thing and start calling people out on actions like this that only deceive and hurt.
Flirting,as a male or female is a really slippery slope IMO. As a christian,it's something we need to keep in check more so,as we have higher standards to live by than the world. I have been accused of flirting many times & to be honest,I had no clue that I was doing so...other times I did it with the intent of being flirtatious. Either way,I think it's good to be called out on our actions now & then. Of course you hope the people calling you out on such things have your best interest in mind & aren't just trying to be judgmental...but if need be,God may use something foolish or from left field to get your attention when all else fails.
Ok..now I have really wandered off topic...sorry. I have not confronted the woman at my workplace because (thankfully) I rarely run into her as she comes in for the 2nd shift most times,so it hasn't turned into an "issue".
I think what you did Z-man is good...tell her like it is! As far as Christian woman being as flirty & manipulative as women in the world...ummm....yep,they sure can be just that,as well as us men can be. Perhaps we all need to step it up no matter what gender!