...sugar is poison...

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MissCris

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Wow, this thread takes me back to a weirder time in my life...(yes, that's actually possible..)

My step-dad used to give me lectures on how horrible, evil, awful, and deadly sugar is. According to him, it was the sole cause of my chubbiness (yikes, I was like, 9...) and also why I got sunburned...ever.

Of course, he would tell me this stuff and then eat his 10th cookie or piece of cake...
 
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Zero I read about.the African man. It was creepy.

Ms. Kriss, double standards are awesome aren't they? Sarcasm.
 
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I think its OK to indulge now and then; but what I am speaking of is a dietry lifestyle - as the norm; as some seem to make 'death by sugar' and saturation by carbs their ongoing norm...

...a number of trainers believe its good to have 'cheat meals' every now and then to 'reset' some kind of homoeostasis; and its nice to have that flexibility ...

...however, for the main part of ones diet - that is of a consistent ongoing basis...best to avoid carbs and sugar in the home; only have it at church lunches, when going out to dinner now and then ... after taking a flat tablespoon of brindleberry powder :)
 
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What does the brindleberry powder do? You seem to know a lot about nutrition, it's interesting.
 
zeroturbulence

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What does the brindleberry powder do? You seem to know a lot about nutrition, it's interesting.
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I never heard of brindleberry powder but I know that taking cinnamon pills helps your body metabolize sugar and so it helps ward off diabetes. 20 minutes of daily exercise also helps ward off insulin resistance (diabetes). Sugar is corrosive to the body when its not converted to glucose or fat or burned off through physical activity. White flour is actually just as bad as sugar when it comes to causing heart disease and diabetes. Brown sugar is actually not bad.

The best thing to do is maintain a diet of complex carbs with a low glycemic index like whole wheat breads, unless you are about to run a marathon or something. And if you do eat meals rich in sugar or white flour products, eat protein with that meal to slow the digestion of those carbs. The protein will actual lower the effect of those sugary carbs on your system by slowing their absorption into your bloodstream, thereby avoiding a sudden spike in blood sugar.
 
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Thanks Zero, good information. I try not to eat a lot of carbs. Are candy bars carbs? Just kidding.
 
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CORRECTION: I meant glycogen, not glucose. Sugar is always converted into glucose, but some of it is converted into fat or glycogen (stored in the muscles for energy). The excess glucose that remains in the blood after a meal gets zapped by the insulin sent out by the pancreas (unless one is diabetic, then the glucose accumulates in the blood).

And yes, candy bars usually have 25+ grams of refined sugar in them so they are a source of simple carbs :)
 
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zeroturbulence said:
I never heard of brindleberry powder but I know that taking cinnamon pills helps your body metabolize sugar and so it helps ward off diabetes. 20 minutes of daily exercise also helps ward off insulin resistance (diabetes). Sugar is corrosive to the body when its not converted to glucose or fat or burned off through physical activity. White flour is actually just as bad as sugar when it comes to causing heart disease and diabetes. Brown sugar is actually not bad.

The best thing to do is maintain a diet of complex carbs with a low glycemic index like whole wheat breads, unless you are about to run a marathon or something. And if you do eat meals rich in sugar or white flour products, eat protein with that meal to slow the digestion of those carbs. The protein will actual lower the effect of those sugary carbs on your system by slowing their absorption into your bloodstream, thereby avoiding a sudden spike in blood sugar.
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Brown sugar over here is white sugar with mollassis mixed in with it...Carbs esp. at night inhibits the production/utilization of growth hormones, which most occurs when asleep....Protein increased growth hormone production ie: certain amino acids in protein powders such as L-arginine (good source of nitric oxide - a Viagra like effect) and L-ornithine .... Proteins are really created in the body via dna-rna to polypeptide chains which include enzymes from amino acids put together by tRNA (transfer RNA)....so taking amino acids in the form of 'protein powder' (a misnomer - should be called 'protein inducing amino acid powder) ... can increase growth hormones which are very healthy to have generally circulating in the system, and related to burning fat among other good things. Carbs inhibit this esp. at night; so NO CARBS at night... lol

Even 'complex carbs' are unhealthy in high doses in the long term, as they still create sugar. The only difference is that there is 'roughage' that slows that conversion down, but its essetiallly the same as eating sugar that is just slow in being absorbed by the system, in a nutshell....Roughage is good tho, and complex carbs 'in moderation'...., as glucose is mostly reserved for the brain first, then the rest of the system...
 
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zeroturbulence said:
The best thing to do is maintain a diet of complex carbs with a low glycemic index like whole wheat breads, unless you are about to run a marathon or something.
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Or you could be silly and try something drastic because it's-summer-and-oh-why-not and go ketogenic. Ditch all carbs, and consume rampant amounts of fat. (Protein intake hasn't changed because I've been high protein for over a decade, 160-200 grams a day.) I'm on week 3, and while it seems the throes of induction are over, I've seen almost no change in my body weight or composition. But the fact of the matter was that I have very little excess fat, so I wasn't expecting to lose weight. I have to say, going from eating mostly low fat, moderate complex carb, high protein to NO carb, high protein, HIGHER fat has been a challenge.

Except for having bacon and eggs every morning. That's been easy. Well, frying my eggs in three tablespoons of butter all of a sudden (instead of a quick spray of oil) is still weird.
 
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Or you could be silly and try something drastic because it's-summer-and-oh-why-not and go ketogenic. Ditch all carbs, and consume rampant amounts of fat. (Protein intake hasn't changed because I've been high protein for over a decade, 160-200 grams a day.) I'm on week 3, and while it seems the throes of induction are over, I've seen almost no change in my body weight or composition. But the fact of the matter was that I have very little excess fat, so I wasn't expecting to lose weight. I have to say, going from eating mostly low fat, moderate complex carb, high protein to NO carb, high protein, HIGHER fat has been a challenge.

Except for having bacon and eggs every morning. That's been easy. Well, frying my eggs in three tablespoons of butter all of a sudden (instead of a quick spray of oil) is still weird.
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HAha I didn't mean exclusively eat complex carbs. I see now that it reads that way. o_o I meant to eat a balanced diet rich in complex carbs. :)
 
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zeroturbulence said:
Don't tell that to a vegan.
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I live not to far away from Living Valley Springs health retreat www.lvs.com.au and they used to promote the vegan diet when they first started, but after a number of years the found that the 'unhealthiest and unhappiest' people generally (some exceptions) were 'vegans', mostly due to a lack in B12 and some other nutrients..., many get quite sick..., and don't develop body shape properly. They give these people lambs stew (best meat apparently) and lots of eggs...even those with cancer....eggs bind and chelate heavy metals and have good proteins in them, and butter leaches out oil based poisons as well as having healthy omega acids....They give lots of colonics etc (I always ask for a woman to do them when I have them - just what Im like) massages etc..., so veganism is not good, must have some animal products. The also say soft cheeses are good too...I have known radical vegans who got very ill and some terminally ill.....no B12, very little protein, the FIRST nutrient your body needs for DNA to function properly in doing its job to convert aminos to proteins...via RNA etc....
 
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I was addicted to diet coke. People laugh at that but I really was. I went cold turkey about a year and a half ago and I went through withdrawals. It was awful I haven't had one since that time nor do I desire too. Aspartame is poison and she be avoided. I do use Stevie sometime in iced tea and I've gotten used to and like plain iced tea. I'm glad I kicked that habit it's awful.
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other than what is in chocolate, I've not had caffeine since late 2009. Maybe this is why i keep falling asleep in front of my computer... or maybe that's because i'm still there at 3:30am.
 
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Shouryu said:
Or you could be silly and try something drastic because it's-summer-and-oh-why-not and go ketogenic. Ditch all carbs, and consume rampant amounts of fat. (Protein intake hasn't changed because I've been high protein for over a decade, 160-200 grams a day.) I'm on week 3, and while it seems the throes of induction are over, I've seen almost no change in my body weight or composition. But the fact of the matter was that I have very little excess fat, so I wasn't expecting to lose weight. I have to say, going from eating mostly low fat, moderate complex carb, high protein to NO carb, high protein, HIGHER fat has been a challenge.

Except for having bacon and eggs every morning. That's been easy. Well, frying my eggs in three tablespoons of butter all of a sudden (instead of a quick spray of oil) is still weird.
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Jennifer Aniston is apparently on the Aitkins diet like the one you describe - skinny as a rake...its working for her, but one must make sure low-carb vege intake is there for other minerals etc...
 
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SeatBelt

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The Adkins diet, if sustained long term will trigger clinical depression.

I think folks get all too wrapped up in the so called science of diet.

It seems to be more a matter of balancing diet and lifestyle.

Healthiest woman I knew over 45 did all her cooking with real lard...
but on the other hand, she did the work herself to render the lard.
 
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TigerScent777 said:
I live not to far away from Living Valley Springs health retreat www.lvs.com.au and they used to promote the vegan diet when they first started, but after a number of years the found that the 'unhealthiest and unhappiest' people generally (some exceptions) were 'vegans', mostly due to a lack in B12 and some other nutrients..., many get quite sick..., and don't develop body shape properly. They give these people lambs stew (best meat apparently) and lots of eggs...even those with cancer....eggs bind and chelate heavy metals and have good proteins in them, and butter leaches out oil based poisons as well as having healthy omega acids....They give lots of colonics etc (I always ask for a woman to do them when I have them - just what Im like) massages etc..., so veganism is not good, must have some animal products. The also say soft cheeses are good too...I have known radical vegans who got very ill and some terminally ill.....no B12, very little protein, the FIRST nutrient your body needs for DNA to function properly in doing its job to convert aminos to proteins...via RNA etc....
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Oh yea a vegan diet is definitely not healthy unless someone really knows what they're doing in terms of getting complete protein and vitamin b12. Even my nutrition instructor who is a registered dietician said so.
 
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The Adkins diet, if sustained long term will trigger clinical depression.

I think folks get all too wrapped up in the so called science of diet.

It seems to be more a matter of balancing diet and lifestyle.

Healthiest woman I knew over 45 did all her cooking with real lard...
but on the other hand, she did the work herself to render the lard.
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...yeah, I would not go on the aitkins diet per-se..., but it illustrates the point that zero carbs eliminates fat....

...maybe something along the lines of paleo with healthy low-carb veges and some select nutrients....basically you need to take the good and discard the bad ideas..., bottom line is: very little carbs..., and high-nutrition...
 
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I drink tons of diet coke and know all the stuff they say about how it turns into formaldehide in your system (which can't happen unless your body operates at over 200 degrees farenheit), makes you blind, makes you crave more food, etc.. but its all bunk. The chemicals in diet soda aren't any worse than the chemicals in hot dogs or cold cuts or frozen dinners, etc.. diet sodas just get more media coverage because so many people consume it.
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...it would pay to read this article and research further: not via research articles that may have been funded by those with vested interests btw... Aspartame is, by Far, the Most Dangerous Substance on the Market that is Added To Foods

...I used to consume aspartame quite a bit, until I found out a few things about it; ...even if some elements were not entirely correct - it seems prudent to avoid this generally, as there are much better and healthier substitutes available IMO...
 
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Lamb is the best protein for your body to digest, they recently did a study and found that it is the ONLY animal protein babies can properly digest, isn't that amazing Jesus is our Lamb.
 
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