Too Many Divorces?

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gypsygirl

gypsygirl

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Kendrick said:
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And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.​
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And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?​
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And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.​
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And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.​
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But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.​
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For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;​
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And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.​
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What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.​
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And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.​
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And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.​
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And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.​
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i can appreciate your desire to contribute bible verses to this thread. but when you simply post scripture, lacking commentary, you're jesus juking this thread.

these are not your words, and their relevancy isn't obvious. what is your point?

and for the future, understand that scripture bombs are an abuse of the holy bible, in my opinion.
 
Pipp

Pipp

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Kendrick said:
Mark
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10:2​
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And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.​
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10:3​
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And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?​
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10:4​
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And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.​
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10:5​
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And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.​
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10:6​
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But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.​
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10:7​
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For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;​
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10:8​
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And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.​
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10:9​
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What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.​
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10:10​
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And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.​
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10:11​
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And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.​
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10:12​
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And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.​
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What can you say to scripture but Amen ?
 
hoss2576

hoss2576

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Pipp said:
What can you say to scripture but Amen ?
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Scripture is great, but it still has to be looked at in context and totality. Since the one posting this did not explain his use of the passage, I am assuming he is totally against divorce. First, it wasn't the point of the OP. Second, I think most of us will still agree there are situations where divorce is necessary. It happens way too much, but it is needed at times, and not all parties involved in divorces wanted them necessarily.

Not to get overly dramatic, but Satan used scripture out of context and twisted it with Christ. When using passages in such a manner, there has to be more than just throwing it out there.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Misty77 said:
For your benefit, I find that it's more beneficial to clarify someone's stance before accusing them of twisting scripture.
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Does anyone discount that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
Is the way God said something enough?
Or do people feel that we should take Gods word to please ourselves putting Gods word into their own words?
...or Gods word to please God in that we are now the sacrifice to him.

Are people so against being confronted, questioned or challenged in any of their own personal views and the way they personally interpret scripture?
Is Gods word open to personal interpretation?

It appears this man has been accused of abusing Gods word without knowing his intentions which is an accusation involving judgment..

Does anybody know what Juking means and why the term Jesus juking is actually a misleading assertion?

Juke:
(Verb)
to make a move intended to deceive (an opponent).
(noun)
a fake or feint usually intended to deceive a defensive player

The reason I ask is because it doesn't appear that this man Kendrick is trying to deceive anybody by using scripture
BECAUSE of the fact he made no personal assertions.

Shall we ignore the fact that Jesus confronted the adversary with nothing OTHER than
scripture.
It's interesting to note that anyone being confronted with scripture claims it is abusive to THEM....( in their opinion.)
When people try to escape Gods word they too are Juking Jesus being deceptive to try and twist Gods word to their own private interpretation.

Jesus himself when he came said these are not his own words but the words of the Father.
What are you suggesting people teach and influence with?
Their own private interpretation catered to please itching ears?
That if something isn't catered to please themselves it is juking.
If it is catered to please God then THAT is actually being deceptive or falsely pious?

Nah, if we're to be a living sacrifice to the Lord we should take scripture as just that.
To please God and not ourselves since Jesus already made his sacrifice.
We should not assert to sacrifice Gods word any further in an effort to escape it.
 
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Cairparavel

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one divorce or many, my personal belief is that most people give up wayyyyyyy too easily, but i also realize it takes 2 to give the effort of staying together through Richer/Poorer, Sickness/Health, etc. I feel bad for those who really tried with all their effort to keep it together. It's so unfair.
 
AsifinPassing

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Shouryu said:
Yup. {REDACTED} is TOTALLY undatable because her lying, conniving, cheating husband abandoned her and their daughters to hook up with another married woman (destroying not only his OWN marriage, but someone else's), and still chose to leave and divorce her while {REDACTED} was willing to forgive, and prayed for him, and fought tooth-and-nail to keep the marriage together even as he continued to cheat on her. See, because of her lying, conniving, cheating husband's inability to uphold the sanctity of marriage, {REDACTED} clearly has issues with infidelity herself, and her divorce is concerning. :p

(Yes, I know you threw a disclaimer in front of it, but I really wanted to illustrate how immediately prejudicing someone based off of ONE aspect of their past of which you know so little can be so damning.)
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I see your point, and Channdler's. The thing is...it's hard to say. Things like divorce and such are difficult. Thoughts and feelings are involved, and I've seen enough (Dad is a Pastor with a strong heart for others, does a lot of counseling, etc...plus my own experiences) to know that it's messy and painful. When kids are involved it can really turn south even farther...there was a short story about that, too. It's disturbing, but makes a very good point...which is why it's disturbing. Anyway...I think you'd have to know the person and the situations.

As an example, I recently have been in contact with a divorced couple who is completely convinced the other person is a psycho and mostly to blame. You see? They both have that story about the other... that doesn't add up. It means that there were obviously problems on both sides, and further problems that didn't address and resolve the earlier issues. It's complicated. Anyway...just a point I wanted to illustrate toward the topic.


Anyway, for me, it makes little difference whether you've been divorced (married at some point) before. I've never been married, but many potential partners are afraid to hear that I've been in a number of relationships over the course of my life close to my age. Any of those prejudices or my points could be said about me. If you hear my story, though... Than things may seem a little different than the initial face and shock value. *shrugs* When it comes to people, it always depends...
 
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Lynx

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Back to the original post, about the person who has been divorced five times... it reminds me of an old saying.

"Marry, divorce, marry, divorce, marry, divorce... polygamy on the installment plan."
 
hoss2576

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Does anyone discount that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
Is the way God said something enough?

It still has to be put into the context. I can quote a scripture, but if not put in the right context, I can be teaching you an entirely different point than what God intended. Yes, God is infallible, his people are not. Some of them can use His words differently than what He meant. That is why context and totality matter.

Or do people feel that we should take Gods word to please ourselves putting Gods word into their own words?
...or Gods word to please God in that we are now the sacrifice to him.

Are people so against being confronted, questioned or challenged in any of their own personal views and the way they personally interpret scripture?
Is Gods word open to personal interpretation?

Show me 10 men, and I will show you 10 men who interpret the Bible differently. Yes, a lot of the Bible is black and white, but whereas God may know every thought of ours, we can't know every plan and concept He had when the Bible was formed. Until we get to Heaven and ask directly, the Bible will remain open to some interpretation.Not saying you cannot be guided in a set direction, but if there were only one interpretation of the Bible, there would not be a bunch of different denominations.

It appears this man has been accused of abusing Gods word without knowing his intentions which is an accusation involving judgment..

Does anybody know what Juking means and why the term Jesus juking is actually a misleading assertion?

You cannot attach a traditional definition to contemporary slang /phrase. If I said someone was gay, you would assume I meant homosexual, but its traditional meaning, yes, is happy. Attaching the historical meaning no longer fits, because no one uses it for that purpose.

Juke:
(Verb)
to make a move intended to deceive (an opponent).
(noun)
a fake or feint usually intended to deceive a defensive player

The reason I ask is because it doesn't appear that this man Kendrick is trying to deceive anybody by using scripture
BECAUSE of the fact he made no personal assertions.

No one said Kendrick was trying to deceive anyone. It was simply suggested that he add context to his use of scripture.

Shall we ignore the fact that Jesus confronted the adversary with nothing OTHER than
scripture.
It's interesting to note that anyone being confronted with scripture claims it is abusive to THEM....( in their opinion.)
When people try to escape Gods word they too are Juking Jesus being deceptive to try and twist Gods word to their own private interpretation.

Jesus himself when he came said these are not his own words but the words of the Father.
What are you suggesting people teach and influence with?
Their own private interpretation catered to please itching ears?
That if something isn't catered to please themselves it is juking.
If it is catered to please God then THAT is actually being deceptive or falsely pious?

What the issue most have with Jesus Juking is the false sense of piety that comes across by those who do it. If I ask a group of people what their favorite soda is and everyone is responding, but then there is that one person who stops the conversation by saying, "well Jesus drank water and wine." What purpose did it serve? Absolutely no purpose was served other than for that person to give off this image that while you were thinking about sodas, I was thinking about Jesus. Christ was not served by it, if anything doing such to unbelievers can be a hindrance to them receiving the Gospel.

Nah, if we're to be a living sacrifice to the Lord we should take scripture as just that.
To please God and not ourselves since Jesus already made his sacrifice.
We should not assert to sacrifice Gods word any further in an effort to escape it.

In Kendrick's case, no one in this thread had said anything about divorce being good or it not being a big deal. I doubt if you would find anyone here who thinks divorce is a good thing, and I know most of us wish there were fewer ones. Divorce in and of itself was not the topic of the thread. That is why Kendrick was asked to add context to the scripture he posted or comment on it, in order to connect it more to what the rest of the discussion was.
 
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Kendrick

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[h=1]See what God said about marriage

Malachi 2:16Amplified Bible (AMP)[/h]16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I hate divorce and marital separation and him who covers his garment [his wife] with violence. Therefore keep a watch upon your spirit [that it may be controlled by My Spirit], that you deal not treacherously and faithlessly [with your marriage mate].

How can ONE flesh be divided:
[h=3]Genesis 2:25 “Therefore, a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”[/h]What divorce can lead to:
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Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.​
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Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

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See what Mathew wrote about divorce:
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It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:​
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But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.​
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Pipp

Pipp

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I understand your point Kendrick...but this thread wasn't about if divorce was right or wrong. No one here is trying to say that we should take it lightly.... The original question of the post had more to do with if you were involved with someone who had been divorced... would you require an explanation as to why they were divorced. Seeing from the scripture you posted .... you wouldn't be involved romantically with a divorced woman so honestly the question isn't even one that applies to you.
 
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