What is the difference between Christians and the Rest of the World?

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Dear Rachel I see in you a depth of spirit, honesty, truth and love. You are most certainly a daughter of God. Our call to follow Christ is not an easy one and it is human to fall and doubt at times.....thanks for sharing and it made me think of a quote:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mahatma Gandhi

Blessings
 

Lynx

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This thread reminds me of an old song in my collection...

[video=youtube;dthfk5GWdaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dthfk5GWdaY[/video]
 
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The Universe is vast and we are so small. There is really only one thing we can ever truly control...




whether we are good or evil.
 

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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.
 
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1still_waters

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"Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"
Yeah waking up Saturday morning with a headache and puking in the toilet is soooooo what we/I want to do.
Yup and putting myself in a position where I could have a kid without a solid social family structure is sooo fun too!

PUHLEASE!

Jesus saves us from all that stuff.
Thank goodness.
 
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The difference between Christians and the world is that we're trusting in what Jesus did to reconcile us to God the Father as we become conformed to the image of Christ.

Now why is there a gap between ideals and practice?
Because no one has reached perfection yet.

Philippians 3
12 Not that I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, but I make every effort to take hold of it because I also have been taken hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brothers, I do not[c] consider myself to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what is ahead, 14 I pursue as my goal the prize promised by God’s heavenly[d] call in Christ Jesus.15 Therefore, all who are mature should think this way. And if you think differently about anything, God will reveal this also to you. 16 In any case, we should live up to whatever truth we have attained.
We need to quit letting the accuser of the brethren heap all this condemnation on us because we haven't achieved perfection yet.
Rev 12
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: The salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Messiah have now come, because the accuser of our brothers has been thrown out: the one who accuses them before our God day and night


Yes Ghandi, Christians are not 100% like their Christ.
But I tell ya what, God predestined for us to end up like Jesus in the end.


Romans 8
For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.


Chin up bros and sis in Christ.
Keep trusting in Jesus, keep yielding to His Spirit.
Don't yield to all these peeps who want to point out our imperfections.
Don't use grace as license to sin, regardless don't yield to the voice of our accuser, yield to the voice of our Savior.

 

Lynx

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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.
I can do anything I want. But as Paul said, while all things are lawful for me, not all things are good for me. All the things we "can't" do are for a reason.

Ever heard PC&D's "I choose to be a christian"? The first verse talks about all the things we "can't" do.
 
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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.
We can't? Drinking is permissible and we party but our partying looks different. Also, we can absolutely have sex but it's to be within the confines of the covenant of marriage. Misinformation about Christianity - ain't nobody got time for dat!
 

cinder

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This deserves a much longer answer than I feel like I have time to give, but here is my quick two cents. I think most "average" people of any religion from anywhere in the world have the same kind of faith: they are going to do whatever they've been taught to try to get God to give them good things in life. A lot of Christians operate like this, but you can also see it in Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. Where I'm living now the standard answer to any question of why they do something religious or superstitious is "for good luck." There are also those in all religious contexts who try to use God to make their own power or striving for political or social power seem legitimate. Happens with people wearing the label Christian too.

I too am starting to struggle with church culture and how it really doesn't seem to have much to offer hurting people. We shy away from the messiness of life and unlike the psalms where David (and others) railed and fumed and accused God before getting to that place of trust, we seem to encourage the pretend everything is fine and put a big smile on because God is good attitude. But the picture of God we see in the Bible is so different. He is the incarnate and suffering God who becomes man and suffers on our behalf to set us free. He is a God who expects us to do the same, to overcome evil with good by refusing to perpetuate the evil done to us. And in doing so he brings hope through us, hope to those who have only known evil that perhaps there is something more than evil out there because something else is at work in those of us who follow Christ.

Yeah that wasn't quick or complete, but I'm done for now.
 
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I keep my eyes fastened on Jesus, when awake or asleep. He is the last person I see and speak with at night, the first person I hear breathing in my nostrils and whispering in my ears in the morning.
I never pay attention to the trash in the world or the USA that poses as "Christianity". But I do go to different faiths and evangelize men and women out of those dens of vipers and blind leaders of the blind.
Likewise this is new forum experience for me, this place is full of the enemy of the Gospel, just like in the real world. But still, it isn't going to affect my faith and standing in Jesus. He is much stronger than any of the corruption and false religion I see around me.
All you've shared, I agree how miserable this world is. I so want to be home away from this all and clothed upon with that Heavenly Tabernacle that replaces this moral coil. There is nothing stronger than this Love and Bond in His Oath, Sworn and Promised. Eternal Life in purity with all.

(Rom 8:37)
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
(Rom 8:38)
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
(Rom 8:39)
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

Lynx

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"This place is full of the enemy of the Gospel"

Hmm... now I'm worried. Am I part of the enemy or one of the good guys? :confused:
 
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Why do so many Christians quote Ghandi like he's some holy prophet? He didn't even like Christ, not really. He picked and chose the passages from the Bible that he liked and discarded the rest.
 

zeroturbulence

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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.
Not exactly.. :) One thing you can do is go to Heaven and not spend eternity in hell. Some other things are.. you can protect yourself from having an unwanted pregnancy, getting addicted to alcohol or drugs, catching an STD, and living an undisciplined, out-of-control life. :)
 

zeroturbulence

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......continued:

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
(Proverbs 18:2 ESV)

Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving. Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance.
(Proverbs 14:7-9 ESV)
 
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Why do so many Christians quote Ghandi like he's some holy prophet? He didn't even like Christ, not really. He picked and chose the passages from the Bible that he liked and discarded the rest.
Oh really? Do point me in the right direction to see these quotes as I am very fond of them........
 
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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.



While I understand and can occasionally relate to your feelings, that's our human side. When I look a little deeper though, I remember the people I was unwise enough to choose to be around and live like before I found Christ. And I see what I left behind, and I don't miss it one bit really.

The results of partying, other legal, moral or resulting life possibilities and letting Satan control me through the rough-shod, careless people I don't need to be around, instead choosing to keep my sanity and inner peace. And raising a kid I absolutely adore, who has good friends and walks with Christ like I do. At the end of the day I'm happy with Jesus.
 

Calmador

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Hey everyone.


As many of you know, I am an Indian, and where I live, Christians are a minority and it's very hard to find another believer.


I've found Christian Chat a very exciting and interesting place to share ideas with other Christians and learn from them however I am starting to get disillusioned with Christianity and Christians.


When I was in the USA, I found that Christianity has a very distinctive place and a visibility of it exists in some form everywhere.


I was very happy to find that however in my interactions with many people both online and offline, I can't help feeling disappointed.



Christianity merely appears to be a precept.
Look at forums itself. The Bible Forum is always full of people arguing about things that have continued from Paul's time.
Also, so many of people's motives seem to be driven by political agendas, it's ridiculous. There's a world outside our own countries...


And even on chat, or the Singles Forums, though they both have their share of serious topics, for the most part are full of goofy, silly and mundane things.
Really, it sometimes feels like the body of Christ is just like any other group of people who have similar interests like biking or cookery.


True, there are many people who are passionate about God however I find that nothing distinguishes us.


As time passes, many of us struggle with relevance of it as well. Looking at the stats in America alone of broken families and divorces... teenage pregnancies and what not.
I struggle to understand Christians


We have this self assured, good feeling about ourselves knowing that we get to spend eternity in paradise but this life that we have on earth seems to be an extension of a self obsession, of being consumed with ourselves.


I know I am throwing broad based statements here but deep down inside I am really breaking apart. This isn't directed to anyone in specific.



All my friends in real life, except one I made recently (found someone on cc itself) and one who recently turned to Christianity, are atheists and unbelievers.


I spend a lot of time with them and I feel a burden and responsibility to preach Christ to them.

Really though I am stumbling and fluttering and if God doesn't pick up like He does many times, I would be lost and destroyed.


A friend of mine, who is a staunch atheist made this statement recently, "Religion is now an evil interference to modern society and peace."
When asked to elaborate on his statement, he brought up examples of ISIS and Islam and the Dark Ages, where the church abused its power.
Though I don't agree with him, at the crux of it I can't help wonder what most Christians are.


Do we just come together because we're a bunch of nice people? Just scan 90% of our conversations and what are they really?


Honestly, aren't we self righteous people? Don't you feel as Christians we have failed many times?


There are many broken people out there and somehow I feel like we're losing everything. Standard explanation is End Times.
Well I want the world to end.



But before it does, I really want to know what makes us Christians different from the rest of the world? How are we separate from everyone else? How important is God for us? What are we really living for?






Short answer is... Christ.

Longer answer is... for starters, you look at the world through a group-minded viewpoint as if it matter what we "look" like but instead you should look at what we believe, as individuals. One belief that you can't exactly see by looking through the small talk that you pointed out is the belief in Christ and the implications of that belief. If you tell a Christian that he or she is an evil/sinful person then he or she will probably say yes. If you ask anyone else, he or she will more than likely insulted. The difference here is the standard of good and evil. Christians have an absolute value, meaning that good is good and evil is evil. (your either perfect (good) or not (evil)) Most everyone else, mix those two up into shades, and more than likely puts him/herself closer on the good side.

Christ and the implications of him... separates us from everyone else greatly.

I'm sure I can think of more things but... basically, there's a lot of differences on the "inside" (our thoughts and way of life) than what you see on the outside.
 
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Oh really? Do point me in the right direction to see these quotes as I am very fond of them........
Not quotes. Biographies on the man. It's a well-established fact that he borrowed from different teachings. People think he arrived at his wisdom on his own, he most definitely didn't.
 
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Not quotes. Biographies on the man. It's a well-established fact that he borrowed from different teachings. People think he arrived at his wisdom on his own, he most definitely didn't.
But you said "Why do so many Christians quote Ghandi like he's some holy prophet?" I was curious to see some of these 'quotes'.............
 

seoulsearch

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Just today, my co-worker summed up my Christian faith/life in this way, by saying loudly (in front of the rest of our team), "Wow. You can't drink, you can't party, you can't have sex (all in much stronger language than I'll use here)... So, you pretty much can't do anything, huh?"

I really couldn't argue.

Yeah, I'm having one of those spells in my own faith right now... because yes, I feel like I'm in a place of trying to sit quietly in the corner and be as good as I can manage... which of course, isn't me being good at all, but only the grace of God.
We can't? Drinking is permissible and we party but our partying looks different. Also, we can absolutely have sex but it's to be within the confines of the covenant of marriage. Misinformation about Christianity - ain't nobody got time for dat!
I've never been officially tested but am pretty sure I'm allergic to alcohol (many Asians lack an enzyme that breaks down alcohol in the body) so drinking was never a big deal to me, and is something I very rarely do (as in, maybe once or twice a year.) Likewise, I was never into the party scene as well--it's just not me--so many of the things other people might lament never meant anything to me.

As for sex, one thing about Christianity that also sets it apart is that you basically get a one-shot deal--if you get married, there's your opportunity. If the marriage ends, there went your chance, and you'll be alone forever.

I'm not opening the floor for arguments of remarriage vs. not but I know that for myself, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the reason I've been single for so long is because God does not want me to remarry. Most people here know my story so I won't rehash it. I believe I have Biblical ground to remarry but maybe that's not what God wants, and I know that was something very unsettling for me at the age of 25.

Everyone said, "You're so young," but the decades are passing by, and when 15 years have gone by, another 15... 35... 50 years could easily pass by.

Sure, being alone forever is better than going to hell.

So I try to tell myself.

God's will above my will... God's will above my will... at any cost, pain, or loneliness.

That's what sets Christians apart.