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I haven't even lived with my parents in three years, lol. What does he envision, that we live on some sort of compound and daddy is walking around in a multicolored robe? Hahaha, it's funny how Modernist thinking can't look at alternative structures as anything but a caricature because there is no room for the reality in their categorical boxes.
"Not a feminist? Obviously barefoot and ignorant!"
"Not a feminist? Obviously barefoot and ignorant!"
Yeah, I see that a lot.
I'm always fascinated with how many cultures use marriage as a means to protect and provide for those in need. Leverite marriage is the perfect example of that. Husband dead? His brother needs to take care of his widow.
Many times I've seen marriages recorded where it was more like 'Times are tough and I need you and you need me, lets get married'. And that goes well much more than the modernist mind would think.
I can't help but see it like this: If I love God and she loves God (really loves God, not just for show) than in our love for Him we will love each other abundantly. That's true weather we just met or wasted 5 years dating. And 5 years dating won't fix anything if we where always going to have problems.
I'm always fascinated with how many cultures use marriage as a means to protect and provide for those in need. Leverite marriage is the perfect example of that. Husband dead? His brother needs to take care of his widow.
Many times I've seen marriages recorded where it was more like 'Times are tough and I need you and you need me, lets get married'. And that goes well much more than the modernist mind would think.
I can't help but see it like this: If I love God and she loves God (really loves God, not just for show) than in our love for Him we will love each other abundantly. That's true weather we just met or wasted 5 years dating. And 5 years dating won't fix anything if we where always going to have problems.
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It's because of the emotional pietism in modern culture, which has been reborn in liberalism and romanticism (and here I mean the 19th century German ideology). They are very much dedicated to emotional-trigger words and God-replacement concepts like 'liberty' and 'love' which, being universally appropriated, are rendered content-less beyond some general cultural trend.
The point of that paragraph being that people have FAITH in democracy, egalitarianism, 'science', 'love' and so forth but do not deploy them as concepts so much as psychological reactions and associational cues. Any attempt to deal with these concepts logically and analytically irritates and confuses them because it draws out their insubstantiality. Like any worshipper of idols they are twice of defensive of imaginary, human-pleasing Gods as they are of the Lord.
I'm not trying to demonize-by-psychologizing here, but this is a real tendency even in people who are dedicated Christians. This is why we have so many doctrinally conservative Christians who can't differentiate righteousness from the Republican Party; they're trying to run two incompatible religions at once.
The point of that paragraph being that people have FAITH in democracy, egalitarianism, 'science', 'love' and so forth but do not deploy them as concepts so much as psychological reactions and associational cues. Any attempt to deal with these concepts logically and analytically irritates and confuses them because it draws out their insubstantiality. Like any worshipper of idols they are twice of defensive of imaginary, human-pleasing Gods as they are of the Lord.
I'm not trying to demonize-by-psychologizing here, but this is a real tendency even in people who are dedicated Christians. This is why we have so many doctrinally conservative Christians who can't differentiate righteousness from the Republican Party; they're trying to run two incompatible religions at once.
All I got from the past three pages was its cool if you dont love them, and dont bother really getting to know them either. Just hang out at church a few times and then things should work out. Im sorry but that sounds like a horrible model for marriage. But then what do I know? Im one of those sinful serial dater types.
I'm arguing against this^^^
I don't think you are afraid of Pre-marital sex. (We had a really annoying thread about Pre-Marital sex for a long time and pretty much everyone agrees, its bad) Its about emotional vulnerability. I think you are afraid to be like other people. You see yourself as different and other people as foolish. You Keep railing against my arguments as if I somehow represent a "Modern and Liberal" perspective.
Lets get it straight though, what you are advocating is not love, it is simply marriage for the sake of not being alone. You are afraid of being seen as foolish and irrational like other people. You judge other Christians so harshly that you have idealized turning A loving marriage into a business arrangement with procreation involved.
Ultimately I think you are afraid of falling in love. You are afraid of having someone in your life that you care about more than anyone else, someone that can see the person inside of you. You are so afraid that you would rather arbitrarily marry someone, with the approval of friends and family watching, rather than genuinely love someone with all of your heart. Love is a dangerous and wild thing, it exposes the most fragile parts of ourselves to the unknown. It takes courage to fall in love with someone. It takes courage to see and to be seen and to risk that we will not be accepted. Being in love means being irrational but, Love is an irrational thing.
When you circumvent falling in love for the sake of getting married, you close off a healthy part of who you are. That is not love, that is hiding who are and hoping that it will disappear. God created each of us. We are the evidence of His Handywork. He did not just create our Bodies and stuff souls into each of us. He created our minds to think for ourselves and He created our hearts to feel and guide us. Our very personalities are the craftsmanship of his skill.
You were not created, so that you could simply get married, go to church and make babies. You were created to Love.
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Different reasons and opinions behind this all, as well as different how God brings two people together.
It seemes that you look at how your family has been doing it, and you learn from their way of seeing it. A natural way for many to learn from how it was with their parents or family in general, yet, if God would have come to tell you His plan is much more different than how your family thinks of it, would you then take a chance doing it different than what you have learned and how you have viewed it yourself?
It seemes that you look at how your family has been doing it, and you learn from their way of seeing it. A natural way for many to learn from how it was with their parents or family in general, yet, if God would have come to tell you His plan is much more different than how your family thinks of it, would you then take a chance doing it different than what you have learned and how you have viewed it yourself?
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You're right, I am not realistically concerned that I will engage in pre-marital sex. I was talking about it as a general principle. In my specific case, I prefer to meet men through my church and family because it is a good vetting system and the people who go to my college are...problematic.
Everyone is different, and everyone is foolish.
Because you do. Keep in mind, I consider Abraham Lincoln to be little short of a Communist. My bar for what counts as modern, secular liberalism is probably a bit different than yours, and more deliberate.
I'm advocating a family-centered marriage for a Christian lifestyle. And your equation of 'love' with 'romantic personalistic love' is exactly one of the bits of modern foolishness I'd like to see done away with.
As for the rest of the piece, as it bears no resemblence to anything I do, believe or wrote here, I will leave it to you to argue with it.
Everyone is different, and everyone is foolish.
Because you do. Keep in mind, I consider Abraham Lincoln to be little short of a Communist. My bar for what counts as modern, secular liberalism is probably a bit different than yours, and more deliberate.
I'm advocating a family-centered marriage for a Christian lifestyle. And your equation of 'love' with 'romantic personalistic love' is exactly one of the bits of modern foolishness I'd like to see done away with.
As for the rest of the piece, as it bears no resemblence to anything I do, believe or wrote here, I will leave it to you to argue with it.
"No, the one who in love forgets himself, forgets his suffering, in order to think of someone else's, forgets all his misery in order to think of someone else's, forgets what he himself loses in order lovingly to bear in mind someone else's loss, forgets his own advantage in order lovingly to think of someone else's - truly, such a person is not forgotten. There is one who is thinking about him: God in heaven. Or love is thinking about him. God is Love, and when a person out of love forgets himself, how then would God forget him! No, whle the one who loves forgets himself and thinks of the other person, God is thinking of the one who loves. The self-lover is busy; he shouts and makes a big noise and stands on his rights in order to make sure he is not forgotten - and yet he is forgotten. But the one who loves, who forgets himself, is recollected by love. There is One who is thinking of him..." (God)
-Soren Kierkegaard (Danish Philosopher)
Without Love and the vulnerability of Giving without the expectation of return, all that I have and all that I am. I would never seek to be married.
You would call it foolishness but, honestly it is the opportunity to be utterly and completely selfless. Much like a mother in Childbirth, who in pain gives more than I can bear. Love is the greatest force in the Universe, and the ability for a person to give more than they themselves can bear.
There is Faith, Hope and Love but the greatest of these is Love.
-Soren Kierkegaard (Danish Philosopher)
Without Love and the vulnerability of Giving without the expectation of return, all that I have and all that I am. I would never seek to be married.
You would call it foolishness but, honestly it is the opportunity to be utterly and completely selfless. Much like a mother in Childbirth, who in pain gives more than I can bear. Love is the greatest force in the Universe, and the ability for a person to give more than they themselves can bear.
There is Faith, Hope and Love but the greatest of these is Love.
If love were conditional it would be Rational, and dare I say Logical.
But Real Love is Unconditional, and therefore Irrational.
Believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things, keeps no track of wrongs... <very irrational.
It is not an insult for love to be considered Irrational. Rather it is a praise that it supersedes rationality. In the same way that by definition Grace is illogical.
But Real Love is Unconditional, and therefore Irrational.
Believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things, keeps no track of wrongs... <very irrational.
It is not an insult for love to be considered Irrational. Rather it is a praise that it supersedes rationality. In the same way that by definition Grace is illogical.