Do i have to Keep the Sabbath or was it only for Israel?

[Magenta]

I think you are trying hard there but struggling to wrap your head around some things.

Uh, no. I think you missed the dots completely. False teachers mislead people who are lacking in knowledge.

Also, there are the fruit of the flesh and the Spirit as discussed in Galatians 5. Note that knowledge is not mentioned.

1 Corinthians 2:12; Colossians 2:13
1Co 12:8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,

 

[Soyeong]

God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Paul also said, And indeed, there must be differences among
you to show which of you are approved. However, I understand what you are saying. God's purposes will stand.

In Hosea 4:6, the lack of knowledge that they are destroyed by and the knowledge that they have rejected is that they have forgotten the Torah.

 

[Soyeong]

You have quite the mental gymnastics there to 'prove' your point. I was just reading for the plain text meaning because I was in a circumstance to look with fresh eyes. Nonetheless, it is Holy Spirit's job to interpret and teach us, and we are responsible for following God as He shows us.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

This verse in itself does not have a plain meaning because it could be either the case that Paul was saying not to let anyone judge them for doing those things or for not doing those things, so I don't see how you can accuse me of doing mental gymnastics by saying that we need look at the context of what of what Paul described of the views of the people who were judging them to determine which is the case. The position that all of Scripture is true, that none of it contradicts each other, and that followers of God should follow what God has commanded in it should be as it gets. The people that you consider to be doing mental gymnastics are the ones who think that it makes sense to interpret a servant of God as speaking against obeying His commands and who interpret parts of God's word out to be speaking against following each other.

I have my suspicions about this person's integrity (too?),

What have said that you think calls my integrity into question?

In Jeremiah 31:33, it says that the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so why does taking that position cause you to question my integrity?

 

[Mem]

In Hosea 4:6, the lack of knowledge that they are destroyed by and the knowledge that they have rejected is that they have forgotten the Torah.

God gave them the commandments gave them what their hearts desired without actually taking them back to Egypt. They've always had, and always will have, the opportunity to come out of slavery.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

This verse in itself does not have a plain meaning because it could be either the case that Paul was saying not to let anyone judge them for doing those things or for not doing those things, so I don't see how you can accuse me of doing mental gymnastics by saying that we need look at the context of what of what Paul described of the views of the people who were judging them to determine which is the case. The position that all of Scripture is true, that none of it contradicts each other, and that followers of God should follow what God has commanded in it should be as it gets. The people that you consider to be doing mental gymnastics are the ones who think that it makes sense to interpret a servant of God as speaking against obeying His commands and who interpret parts of God's word out to be speaking against following each other.


What have said that you think calls my integrity into question?

In Jeremiah 31:33, it says that the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so why does taking that position cause you to question my integrity?

And this context speaks toward freedom, not allowing anyone to place you back under a slave master.

 

[Mem]

Romans 11:
11I ask then, did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery?f Certainly not! However, because of their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous. 12But if their trespass means riches for the world, and their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

I'm not completely convinced that Israel rejected Him as much as they failed to completely, and wholeheartedly, follow Him out of Egypt.

But the world works to distract them, keeping them to busy defending their camp to even consider if they've missed the turn that He meant for them to take, in following Him, because the world subconsciously knows (at the least, their god does know) of the greater riches their fullness will bring!

 

[Magenta]

In Hosea 4:6, the lack of knowledge that they are destroyed by and the
knowledge that they have rejected is that they have forgotten the Torah.

Whereas now it is becoming obsolete, having been replaced with a better covenant.

 

[Soyeong]

God gave them the commandments gave them what their hearts desired without actually taking them back to Egypt. They've always had, and always will have, the opportunity to come out of slavery.



And this context speaks toward freedom, not allowing anyone to place you back under a slave master.

If God saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt in order to put the under slavery to His law, then it would be for slavery that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so God gave His law as a gift to teach how to live as people who have been freed from slavery. In Psalms 119:142, God’s law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of God’s law that puts us in slavery while it is the truth that sets us free. Going back to Egypt is equated with going back to sin, not with repenting and going back to obedience to God.

 

[Mem]

If God saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt in order to put the under slavery to His law, then it would be for slavery that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so God gave His law as a gift to teach how to live as people who have been freed from slavery. In Psalms 119:142, God’s law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of God’s law that puts us in slavery while it is the truth that sets us free. Going back to Egypt is equated with going back to sin, not with repenting and going back to obedience to God.

What does, "the law was a taskmaster' mean to you?

 

[Ballaurena]

Uh, no. I think you missed the dots completely. False teachers mislead people who are lacking in knowledge.

1 Corinthians 2:12; Colossians 2:13
1Co 12:8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,

I hope you read the verses in 1 John at least. I was trying to dig into the issue, and in a respectful and honest way.

The person we were discussing, though, sounded more like the deceived than someone intentionally deceiving. A false teacher is not the same as a mistaken teacher, the latter of which we all are to some extent.

As for 1 Corinthians 12:8, it does fit in with what I wrote in my previous post. As I said there, it is one evidence but knowledge isn't the most significant evidence to differentiate the presence of Holy Spirit. It takes time for God to teach us, we don't all start in the same place, and He has to first build-in the traits of resilience (humility, faith to withstand, etc.) before he can completely alter our framework.