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You believe that since you are no longer "under the law" that the law of God has no place in your life now. Spurgeon, myself, and Scripture teaches that though we are not under the law, to be obligated to keep it perfectly, we nonetheless are given desires to love and delight in the law. You do not have these desires to love and delight in the law. You live as though God never gave you a law to love. You are lawless. You are not concerned about how God wants you to carry out your life. All you're concerned about is saying "I'm not under the law" so you can continue living lawlessly. Jesus said, "Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" He will condemn those who do not delight in His law, because delighting in the law of God is the evidence that you have been freely justified from the demands of the law by the blood of Christ.
 
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There's no way twisting your way out of this one buddy. Spurgeon is clearly opposed to you and your faulty theology.

Spurgeon "“His delight is in the law of the Lord.” He is not under the law as a curse and condemnation, but he is in it, and he delights to be in it as his rule of life; he delights, moreover, to meditate in it, to read it by day, and think upon it by night. He takes a text and carries it with him all day long; and in the night-watches, when sleep forsakes his eyelids, he museth upon the Word of God."
 
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The law of Christ is the full revelation, intention, and fulfillment of the law of Moses. The Law of Moses ordained various types and ceremonial ordinances, all of which pointed to Jesus Christ.
 
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You believe that since you are no longer "under the law" that the law of God has no place in your life now. Spurgeon, myself, and Scripture teaches that though we are not under the law, to be obligated to keep it perfectly, we nonetheless are given desires to love and delight in the law. You do not have these desires to love and delight in the law. You live as though God never gave you a law to love. You are lawless. You are not concerned about how God wants you to carry out your life. All you're concerned about is saying "I'm not under the law" so you can continue living lawlessly. Jesus said, "Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" He will condemn those who do not delight in His law, because delighting in the law of God is the evidence that you have been freely justified from the demands of the law by the blood of Christ.
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Thjis is outrageous

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law

It is you who is now backtracking. You tell us we are under Christ's law(which disagrees by the way with what the Apostle Paul says is Christ's law) with the inference that if it isn't obeyed we are condemned by it. I continually say we are not under law but by not beingf under law we actually obey the law. Who is closer to Spurgeon?

You should retract your last comment. It5 is that of desperation
 
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I am very grateful for you posting this from Spurgeon, very grateful indeed vDane, thank you. Faith brings obediance, that is what Spurgeon says. I am now going to list wo4rd for word some of your comments in this debate. I cannot be accused of making anything up.

It isw one of striving and struggling. If a person is not struggling against sin they must be corrected.

We are commanded to put to death the deeds of the body.

I do not believe anyone can keep the law of God in any degree pleasing to God. I believe firmly that each and everyone of us including myself fails God miserably and breaks each and every one of of his commandments each day

Those whom God saves he causes them to walk in his statutes and they are from that point onward careful to keep his ordinances. This is what you are seeing in me and my striving.

Now by this we know that we know Him if we keep his commandments He who says I know Him and does not5 keep His commandments is a liar

Am I wrong or lying when I say I break the commandments of God daily

I do not have the capacity to keep any of His commandments perfectly.

We are unable to detect the hidden sin deep within our being
But the Holy Spirit reveals it to us!

My issue has been regarding what happens aftyer Gode saves a person and the new creation God makes him into. My issue concerns what a person becomes as a result of the grace of God. The changes God has wrought in his heart.

I am too wicked. I have a sinful nature and my heart is deceitfully wicked

These are all word for word your statements Dane. Conflicting statements. You say that Spurgeon says faith brings obediance. Are your statements proof of your obediance?

On the one hand you quote John to say ifd we do not keep the commandments and say we know Him(Jesus) we are a liar. You then say you break all the commandments. I believe by your own statements you have shown muddled theology at best, and a very confused Christian theology
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These are your comments Dane. Mnay of them go against what Spurgeon stands for
 
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What in the world are you saying livinggrace? Even Paul said he was under the law of Christ:


(1 Corinthians 9:20-21) To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
 
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What in the world are you saying livinggrace? Even Paul said he was under the law of Christ:


(1 Corinthians 9:20-21) To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
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Yes Paul did say he was under the law of Christ


Carry each others burdens and in this way you will fullfil the law of Christ Gal6:2 Not your interpretation

You know not only do you give flagrantly contradicting statements which I shall continue to post. But you produce words of Spurgeons that say we are not under the law for condemnation

I produce Bible verses(which you ignre) cOI plainly say that we are nott under law, but by not being under law we actually6 uphold the law. And you say that disagrees with Sputrgeon

On the other hand you say we are under Christs law and give a list of things that entails(which the Apostle Paul didn't)( and virtuallyv say if it is not kept wee are condemned. Andd then you have the audacity to say Spurgeon agrees with you and not me! I find this streange.
 
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If you truly believe that the law of Christ only involves a single Scripture, you are not only ignorant of the rest of Scripture, but you are living in sin and deliberately justifying your lawlessness. That verse in Galatians 6:2 was never interpreted by theologians to be the only implication regarding the law of Christ. The law of Christ is the law of love, by which love is the very basis for obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ. Paul said he was under the law of Christ. Being under the law of Christ does not imply the same thing as being under the law of Moses. Being under the law of Moses meant that the person had to satisfy the demands of the law or face the curse. Being under the law of Christ is the opposite! To be under the law of Christ is to obey the commandments of Christ, not in order to be justified, but because you have already been justified. Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments" John 14:12.
 
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If you truly believe that the law of Christ only involves a single Scripture, you are not only ignorant of the rest of Scripture, but you are living in sin and deliberately justifying your lawlessness. That verse in Galatians 6:2 was never interpreted by theologians to be the only implication regarding the law of Christ. The law of Christ is the law of love, by which love is the very basis for obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ. Paul said he was under the law of Christ. Being under the law of Christ does not imply the same thing as being under the law of Moses. Being under the law of Moses meant that the person had to satisfy the demands of the law or face the curse. Being under the law of Christ is the opposite! To be under the law of Christ is to obey the commandments of Christ, not in order to be justified, but because you have already been justified.
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Sorry Dane it is mer who is far closer to Spurgeon, ask anyone I will go by whatt they think. Just because I di not say I actually delight in law you say I disagree with Spurgeon, now that is funny. I have continually said we are not under law , therefore we obey it. I will keep posting what you said concerning being under Christ's law. If others as I do believe you infered we can be condemned by that law, then you are disagreeing with the words of Spurgeon you posted.

Actually if you are sincere I would think about why you continally break all of God's commandments. Yoiu in your heart belkieve a Christian is under law that can condemn him and you gave a list. I do not accept we are under law for condemnation, and if spurgeon or anyone else said we were I would not accept it, the Bible is the final authority, not man. But as I agree with Spurgeon this is not the case. It is sad that you cannot be honest here, but I understand why, I am sure we all do

And asre you saying Paul was inacurate in Gal6:2

It ties up with what John says as well
 
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Livinggrace, you are only fooling yourself my friend. Spurgeon preaches that the one who has truly been saved will delight in and meditate on the law of God. He is so bold as to say that if you do not delight in the law of God, the blessing belongeth not to you! Did you get that? If you do not delight in the law of God, the blessing belongeth not to you. You do not delight in the law of God. According to your hostility against the very mention of law, you hate the law of God. You want nothing to do with it. The very implication that you should order your life according to the law of God causes you to shriek "legalism!" But it all boils down to the fact that Jesus will throw those who were LAWLESS into Hell. They lived as though He did not give them a law to obey. But Christ has given a law to obey. It may not be perfection, but it will be a striving. They will "press on" as Paul said; they will "pursue holiness" without which no one will see the Lord. You are not actively pursuing holiness because you think it is irrelevant. You will not see the Lord without a practical, daily, lived out holiness. Not because your own works enables you to have a standing before God, but because your works is the evidence that you have been given the standing to appear before God by the blood of Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone. And if your faith is without works, without a daily, lived out, practical striving for holiness and righteousness, then your faith is useless and demonic, and you are without grace. And if you are without grace, then you are still in your sins, and there will be Hell to pay. James 2:20
 
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Livinggrace, you are only fooling yourself my friend. Spurgeon preaches that the one who has truly been saved will delight in and meditate on the law of God. He is so bold as to say that if you do not delight in the law of God, the blessing belongeth not to you! Did you get that? If you do not delight in the law of God, the blessing belongeth not to you. You do not delight in the law of God. According to your hostility against the very mention of law, you hate the law of God. You want nothing to do with it. The very implication that you should order your life according to the law of God causes you to shriek "legalism!" But it all boils down to the fact that Jesus will throw those who were LAWLESS into Hell. They lived as though He did not give them a law to obey. But Christ has given a law to obey. It may not be perfection, but it will be a striving. They will "press on" as Paul said; they will "pursue holiness" without which no one will see the Lord. You are not actively pursuing holiness because you think it is irrelevant. You will not see the Lord without a practical, daily, lived out holiness. Not because your own works enables you to have a standing before God, but because your works is the evidence that you have been given the standing to appear before God by the blood of Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone. And if your faith is without works, without a daily, lived out, practical striving for holiness and righteousness, then your faith is useless and demonic. James 2:20
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This isn't really worthy of a reply it is a smokescreen and a desperate one at that. If I hate God's good laws and you love them. Why are you breaking them all, and I can assure you I am not. This is nonsensical. I want nothing to do with being under law, I will categorically continually and happily state that, because I know that by not being under law I far, far better uphold it. You on the other hand by your own admittance break all of God's commandments, and yet you say I hate the law and you have the truth lol!

I don't seek holiness according to you, and yet by your own words if holiness is decided according to upholding the law I must be holier than you, this is farcical now.

And you don't understand much of what the Apostle Paul wrote on true grace, I am not surprised. Dane I would think carefully before you make any more comments, I really would
 
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This isn't really worthy of a reply it is a smokescreen and a desperate one at that. If I hate God's good laws and you love them. Why are you breaking them all, and I can assure you I am not. This is nonsensical. I want nothing to do with being under law, I will categorically continually and happily state that, because I know that by not being under law I far, far better uphold it. You on the other hand by your own admittance break all of God's commandments, and yet you say I hate the law and you have the truth lol!

I don't seek holiness according to you, and yet by your own words if holiness is decided according to upholding the law I must be holier than you, this is farcical now.

And you don't understand much of what the Apostle Paul wrote on true grace, I am not surprised. Dane I would think carefully before you make any more comments, I really would
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And many ofv your comments on this website do not tally with Spurgeons, of that I can assure you.
 
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Some theologians think that the law of Christ = the law of Moses. However, does the law of Christ include, “…nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material?” (Lev. 19:19). And, does the Law of Moses include, “Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them…?” (Mt. 28:19). No, the law of Moses and the law of Christ obviously refer to 2 different time periods in redemptive history. The Bible criticizes the law of Moses, but never the law of Christ. In fact, the Bible praises the law of Christ…


The law of Christ is for the Gentiles: “…He will bring forth justice to the nations…the coastlands shall wait for His law” (Isaiah 42:1, 4).


Christians are under the law of Christ “…not being without law of God, but under the law of Christ…” (1 Cor. 9:21).


The New Covenant law is written in the heart (Heb. 8:10)
 
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Some theologians think that the law of Christ = the law of Moses. However, does the law of Christ include, “…nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material?” (Lev. 19:19). And, does the Law of Moses include, “Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them…?” (Mt. 28:19). No, the law of Moses and the law of Christ obviously refer to 2 different time periods in redemptive history. The Bible criticizes the law of Moses, but never the law of Christ. In fact, the Bible praises the law of Christ…


The law of Christ is for the Gentiles: “…He will bring forth justice to the nations…the coastlands shall wait for His law” (Isaiah 42:1, 4).


Christians are under the law of Christ “…not being without law of God, but under the law of Christ…” (1 Cor. 9:21).


The New Covenant law is written in the heart (Heb. 8:10)
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Dane

If you took good advice you would stop now, you really would. I have given you ample scripture to back up what I have said about not being under law. You just can't admit it was correct. Well OK. But I hope for your sake you will reflect on it later.

Yes it is written on the heart which means we want to live as God wouldd have us live.
 
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livingbygrace, do you delight in the law of God?
 
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livingbygrace, do you delight in the law of God?
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This is ratherchildish now, I wish you could see that

What God wants is the heart. After many wasted years and foolish rebellion I now want God to have the rest of my life. I am closer to Him now and His precious Son than I have ever been. I delight to be close to Him andf in looking to Christ and trust Him, and I praise my Father in Heaven for the victory Jesus brings in my life through the Holy Spirit. I love God more now than I have ever done in my life. And He is bringing marvelous victory in it.

He dies not expect a play oin words as you do to try and save face, He just loves me. You know nothing of my childhood, you have no right to tell me which words or thoughts I should use to be close to God. The result for me is I am being brought closer to Jesus and His Father all the time. And there is less sin in my life, But I do not need to dwell on law in anyway for that.

Dane you are showing a very unChristian attitude now. And you preach? A true Christian would rejoice that I am where I am with God, not expect me to follow words of Spurgeon to the letter. I repeat on the important issue per what you have posted Spurgeon is closer to me than you.

This is why you are breaking all of God's commandments. If being close to God matters more to you than saving face here, I would spend time reflecting on all of this if I was you
 
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You continue to criticize me for my claim that I break God's commandments daily, not that I deliberately practice disobedience against Him, but that I cannot keep them perfectly as He requires. Charles Spurgeon commentated as follows, which is in alignment with my confession:

"Such holiness as the law demands no man can reach of himself. "Thy commandment is exceeding broad." If a man says that he can keep the law, it is because he does not know what the law is. If he fancies that he can ever climb to heaven up the quivering sides of Sinai, surely he can never have seen that burning mount at all. Keep the law! Ah, my brethren, while we are yet talking about it we are breaking it; while we are pretending that we can fulfil its letter, we are violating its spirit, for pride as much breaks the law as lust or murder. "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one." "How can he be clean that is born of a woman?" No, soul, thou canst not help thyself in this thing, for since only by perfection thou canst live by the law, and since that perfection is impossible, thou canst not find help in the covenant of works." - Spurgeon


You said, "What God wants is the heart."
And yes indeed what God wants is the heart, because God changes the heart. In Ezekiel 36, the Bible says God takes out our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh. He writes His law on their hearts. The heart that God changes begins to desire His holiness and righteousness. It longs and yearns after righteousness. This is why Jesus said "blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness." They delight in the law of God and meditate on it day and night, as David said. That's why the heart that God touches is changed forever. That's why the heart God touches loves and delights in His law, and pursues holiness. The one that does not pursue holiness will not see the Lord, said Paul. The one that does not practice righteousness is a child of the devil, said John.
 
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Livingbygrace, let me ask you a question. Are you practicing blatant sin in your life? When you are confronted about a particular sin, do you repent from it, or do you continue in it?
 
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You continue to criticize me for my claim that I break God's commandments daily, not that I deliberately practice disobedience against Him, but that I cannot keep them perfectly as He requires. Charles Spurgeon commentated as follows, which is in alignment with my confession:

"Such holiness as the law demands no man can reach of himself. "Thy commandment is exceeding broad." If a man says that he can keep the law, it is because he does not know what the law is. If he fancies that he can ever climb to heaven up the quivering sides of Sinai, surely he can never have seen that burning mount at all. Keep the law! Ah, my brethren, while we are yet talking about it we are breaking it; while we are pretending that we can fulfil its letter, we are violating its spirit, for pride as much breaks the law as lust or murder. "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one." "How can he be clean that is born of a woman?" No, soul, thou canst not help thyself in this thing, for since only by perfection thou canst live by the law, and since that perfection is impossible, thou canst not find help in the covenant of works." - Spurgeon


You said, "What God wants is the heart."
And yes indeed what God wants is the heart, because God changes the heart. In Ezekiel 36, the Bible says God takes out our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh. He writes His law on their hearts. The heart that God changes begins to desire His holiness and righteousness. It longs and yearns after righteousness. This is why Jesus said "blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness." They delight in the law of God and meditate on it day and night, as David said. That's why the heart that God touches is changed forever. That's why the heart God touches loves and delights in His law, and pursues holiness. The one that does not pursue holiness will not see the Lord, said Paul. The one that does not practice righteousness is a child of the devil, said John.
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You are just condemning yourself with this post, but you don't seem to care. You are being driven by the wrong motive, I am sure we all know what that is

How can you put this post up when yopu are breaking all of God's commandments? I don't understand this? Do you not see how this is looking?

You need to discover the true grace Paul spoke of and to understand his words in Romans particularly. Only then will you be truly free
 
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