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JimM1228

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Yes. And God also created man and woman not two men. But that doesnt mean that one man cant marry another. Also man shall leave his parents for another woman doesnt necessarily mean that he wont do that for a man too. lol the quote that u made of my comment ur reply doesnt answer my argument.
im sorry to say but i feel that God never condoned homosexuality in the bible at all... just because he doesnt say "gay marriage is wrong" in the bible does not mean that he says it in many other ways. yet i say again as i said before, if that is where people stand and wish to be gay etc... then so be it i love them the same. if you have faith in Christ then i will pray he shows you what he wants for you. i have yet to study anything that says its ok but what do i know that is my interpretation. im gonna make this my last post to because i feel this is getting out of hand. I dont remember the verse but we are not to seperate his church or his body. but with love we must come together in Christ. God Bless you guys...
 
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I dont think Bible has any verse that says that gay marriages are an abominations. The words that many people referenced on from Romans, 1st Corinthians and Leviticus etc etc talks about men being with other men. I doesnt say that if one man married another man its a sin. Also the original greek text is a lot different than the ones translated. In 1st corinthians the word malakoi doesnt mean homosexual people.. it actually meant temple prostitution. There are a lot of different analogies that the church allow now which werent allowed in the old times. Aka women were mens properties ( I forgot the reference its in the old testament). Now we know its not like that. Also Abraham and sarah were brother and sister. But they enjoyed a happy married life. Which isnt allowed by the church now. why is that? in 1st or 2nd corinthians women were told to cover their hair.. but nowadays women dont do that.. so the church went liberal.. also on the case of divorcing churches r much liberal. so there r many analogies that church uses now a days for their own use..

My question is would it make a gay person feel good if u go and tell him hey I LOVE U!! but I dont like Homosexuality and the way u live? It would push them away from God. I was very homophobic. Cus I was almost molested by a guy when I was 9. I always used to get stalked by gay guys. I hated them with a passion and was against gay marriages and pretty anti gay.. but Jesus died for everyone and love overcame everything.. just cus someone has sex in a different way doesnt mean thats unholy.. Cow is an animal to u.. but u r an animal to the cow as well.. just cus something is different doesnt mean its bad. Rather than saying to gay people that I accept u for who u r BUT u r sick and u need healing.. just show them love.. cause our Job is not to confront.. thats what holy spirit does.. our Job is not to judge.. thats what father God does.. Our Job is to love.. :)

I was just being honest and I was also interested in this topic. hope I didn offend anyone..
Yes. And God also created man and woman not two men. But that doesnt mean that one man cant marry another. Also man shall leave his parents for another woman doesnt necessarily mean that he wont do that for a man too. lol the quote that u made of my comment ur reply doesnt answer my argument.


Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


Now is this clear enough for ya!? (might have been posted already but I am not going to read 14 pages)
What part of this verse don't you understand? (And this is not greek but hebrew original text). This doesn't have to say anything about marriage or not, the act alone is what is an abomination let alone marriage between people of the same sex! Don't be deceived God is not mocked...what people sow they will reap. And please don't give me that cop out excuse of having no love. If I didn't I wouldn't warn these people (and any other in sin also) of the impending judgment of God (NOT my judgment!!!). You don't always get the time to repent and then "GAME OVER". You will find yourselves in a place you won't like very much. Also condoning these sins and saying that's OK for them to do and encouraging them to go on in their sins also will bring judgment on the one that does and says so!
But you and anyone else (pro-gay rights) can just go on and call God a liar and reject His word telling Him that He doesn't know what He is talking about, wonder if you are still so convinced once you have to tell Him that to His face!

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Maddog

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Credo - I'm beginning to notice something.

If someone disagrees with ANYTHING you say, you will go research for hours to find the most obscure, biased and ridiculous articles to backup your point. I can find an article that says aliens are among us, too. It doesn't make it true.
I'm sure Credo can speak for himself, but I''ve been here a while and I find his posts refreshingly logical. I cannot speak to the credibility of sources he cites, because I generally never bother to look them up. However, I find he argues primarily from a point of reason, in that he points out the logical failings of his opponents' arguments, which is surely a good practice.

You're also rather hateful. While most anti-homosexual people on this site try to use kind words and remind gay people that God DOES still love them regardless, you pretty much take a note from the Westboro Baptist Church. Get out of your box, dude.

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?
Again, in defence of Credo, I have never found anything that I would describe as hate towards other people. What I get from his posts is that he perhaps hates illogical arguments. He also tries to address the question at hand; in this thread, the question has never been 'Does God love homosexuals?' (to which I am confident he would answer in the affirmative). Rather it has been about the morality of homosexual practice, what is natural, and what the Holy Scriptures say about it. I think it's a little unfair to criticise him for focusing on the issue at hand.

But that's just me. I may be wrong in my interpretation of his posts, but by the same token, you may be wrong in yours. How about we give him the benefit of the doubt, before brandishing the 'hate' card?
 
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Fire7

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For the people who say that no one can be born gay, what do you say about animals that are homosexual??? And before you try to dispute this FACT, feel free to look it up. Don't take my word for it, but several studies have shown that many species in the animal kingdom are genetically homosexual--from lions to birds. Some penguins even have homosexual families--where two male birds will raise a chick.

So what ydo you say about these gay animals? Do they have a homosexual spirit in them? Are they going to hell?

And what also do you say about human beings who were born as hermaphrodites, with both sexes, having to choose which one they feel most comfortable with?

What also happens to the soul of a person who gets a sex change procedure done on them? What if they accept Jesus AFTER they got the sex change? Are they damned to hell because they are living as the opposite sex? And what if a christian gets a sex change and changes his or her mind later on?
 
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@Fire7


Justifying human actions based on animal actions.
I like that idea.
Dolphins gang rape.
Why can't I?

In order to coerce the reluctant females, males form groups of two or three – often remaining together in their search for sexual gratification for well over a decade. When they find a suitable female they literally force her to mate with one or more of the group, and have even been known to herd their unwilling consorts for months at a time, basically using them as their personal sex-slaves.


 
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JimM1228

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@Fire7


Justifying human actions based on animal actions.
I like that idea.
Dolphins gang rape.
Why can't I?

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just going to say the same... we are humans, they are not, we are not the same, therefore your argument is not valid...,
 
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Fire7

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You all will put up any kind of argument and use any kind of rationale to cop out of having to walk in the fruit of the spirit. You just love comparing yourself to gay people because it gives you that extra boost of self esteem that gets your adrenaline pumping. "God, I thank the that I am not like other me... especially those dirty abominations called homosexuals."
 
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You all will put up any kind of argument and use any kind of rationale to cop out of having to walk in the fruit of the spirit. You just love comparing yourself to gay people because it gives you that extra boost of self esteem that gets your adrenaline pumping. "God, I thank the that I am not like other me... especially those dirty abominations called homosexuals."
I can't speak for anyone else on this matter. Why do I put up arguements? Simple, I don't like compromising the bible for man's sake.

It doesn't boost my self-esteem. It doesn't get any adrenaline rush. I do thank God I don't have to deal with the temptation of SSA. Not because as you put it, "they are dirty abominations"... no, not at all. I see it as one of the most difficult sinful struggles a Christian can ever have to deal with.

When I read/watch/hear the testimony of a Christian who has delt with, or are dealing with this. I feel a great sadness. Why? They have to deal with a very difficult and arduous task. Resisting the temptations, and overcoming them.

When I saw these two testimonies. I had a tear under my eye. Not a tear of sadness, a tear of joy. :') When I see them dealing with their sin, facing it, fighting it, resisting temptation I receive inspiration. Inspiration to deal with my sin, to face my sin, to fight my sin, to resist the temptations to sin.



YouTube - Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality <--- click
YouTube - Freedom from Homosexuality - Testimony <--- click

The above are two wonderful testimonies.


1 cor 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.







Fire, just because we don't agree with you. Doesn't automatically by association make us rude, hateful, ready to pounce upon you, or seeking to lynch. Please. Don't let worldly emotions get to you.
 
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You know guys?? This is going no where. A lot of things in the old testament r not followed now. It was told to stone both an adulterer and an adulteress to death. Jesus said even when u look a t a woman lustfully u do adultery!!?? So We should be stoned to death!! atleast I knw I should be stoned to death!!! Im done with this thread. U peeps r too thick to understand. * shakes dust outta my sandles*
 
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NO HOMOSEXUAL SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.....SODOMITES, KATAMITES, LESBIANS.....NONE SHALL INHERIT.....NO SODOMITE IS A CHRISTIAN....NO KATAMITE IS A CHRISTIAN....NO LESBIAN IS A CHRISTIAN

THE HOLY BIBLE; GOD DECLARES HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION
 
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JimM1228

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yeah yeah.. heard that before. get something new.
if you you want "something new: then the Bible is not for you friend. it has withstood the sands of time for thousands of years. the earth may change around it but it still remains the SAME. the message is the SAMe, and the rules are the SAME. if you dont like what God says then make your own religion like everyone else and take things from the bible that work for you like many do. sorry for being harsh, but we are living in the end times. it is time to wake up and put God first, not yourself. i never say im lucky im not that gay guy EVER. i pray for his soul and i love that man or woman just as much as the begger on the street, or the widow, or the orphan, or my mom or dad. no man is greater then the next, and no servant greater than his master or vice versa. God Bless.
 
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Well lol. when u said Bible never changes thats true. But People interpret the Bible differently. The Verse that dude was pointing out was from 1st Corinthians. The verse they posted on this thread and many threads r from either Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans and some other cliched anti gay verses. Which r really old. And I already have good enough research on those verses to stand firm to what I believe. Thats why I said give me something new!! Which u peeps obviously cant, so whats the point of putting the same old verses again and and again?
 
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Fire7

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I can't speak for anyone else on this matter. Why do I put up arguements? Simple, I don't like compromising the bible for man's sake.

It doesn't boost my self-esteem. It doesn't get any adrenaline rush. I do thank God I don't have to deal with the temptation of SSA. Not because as you put it, "they are dirty abominations"... no, not at all. I see it as one of the most difficult sinful struggles a Christian can ever have to deal with.

When I read/watch/hear the testimony of a Christian who has delt with, or are dealing with this. I feel a great sadness. Why? They have to deal with a very difficult and arduous task. Resisting the temptations, and overcoming them.

When I saw these two testimonies. I had a tear under my eye. Not a tear of sadness, a tear of joy. :') When I see them dealing with their sin, facing it, fighting it, resisting temptation I receive inspiration. Inspiration to deal with my sin, to face my sin, to fight my sin, to resist the temptations to sin.



YouTube - Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality <--- click
YouTube - Freedom from Homosexuality - Testimony <--- click

The above are two wonderful testimonies.


1 cor 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.







Fire, just because we don't agree with you. Doesn't automatically by association make us rude, hateful, ready to pounce upon you, or seeking to lynch. Please. Don't let worldly emotions get to you.
I can respect that.
 
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Duggar

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Homosexuality is a sin. As Christians we must hate the sin, NOT the sinner. :) God Bless.
 
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Ramon

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OMG It's the second coming!
B/c apparently you don't sin.

Actually, even though I disagree with her, she does make a GREAT DEAL of sense. Modern science has told us that there IS exclusive sexual attractions and often times they cannot be changed. Some groups claim to be able to do so, but, obviously, they are just hate groups in disguise as "help centers" that the American Psychological Association say are false and more harmful and useful.
The words of man's modern science does not exclude you, nor me from judgment and righteousness. The words of Jesus are life, not man science. At best this science is not even science. These are lies by the children of Satan who do not follow Jesus Christ but their own lusts. The American Psychological Association doesn't speak for me, nor for God. Jesus speaks for God. His Holy Spirit bears witness of the truth.
 
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Ramon

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if a lie would of saved someone would you do i. the whole morality is never black and white if you saw a man steall food you think he is a sinner a bad man and needs to go to jail then what if i told you he stole to feed his children is he still a bad man? now whats ironic about the crime against nature is that its wel know that animal of the same sex of sex with each other now animal being a part of nature and following that rule are they also sinning
No sin glorifies God. If someone lies, that lie does not glorify God. It reminds me of something Paul said, and I will post it here:

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Romans 3
 
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Fire7

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Not that I owe anyone an explanation, as you are not God. But for the sake of the author, who genuinely wants to have an understanding, and for the sake of Truth (which I am committed to above all else) and conversation (since I brought up the issue), I will say that you all make some good points on some things that you have said, and I appreciate your input.

One thing I have to diagree on, however, is the idea that no one can be born gay. I don't know why so many Christians and ministers insist on this idea. But it is totally false. It may be true in some cases that someone was just influenced by their peers and indulged in homosexuality because of peer pressure. I have seen this happen (well, heard of it). There have also been homosexuals who have given into heterosexual peer pressure--had relations with the opposite sex and regretted it later. So this idea that gay people are all about recruiting is also false, because straight people recruit just as much. I think, just to be faur and give the other side the bnefit of the doubt, that it is 50/50. I think that some people are gay by societal influence, while others are gay because of genetic disposition (there are reasons I believe this--not just because I want to). It may be a "theory", but isn't the bible itself a book of theories? Where is the proof that every stopry in the bible actually happened? So, apparently, you can't always base truth on facts.

As a man with SSA (notice I don't call myslef homosexual, because I'm on the fence in the matter), aside form science and research, I can personally tell you that I don't just like men because I want to like them. If that was the case, I would've given it up a long time ago. Do you really think I want to feel like a social outcast, lonely, isolated, ashamed, different? I heard of a story of a gay man who, when he was a young boy, and his family would go to the neighborhood swimming pool, he would sink himself to the bottom of the pool and hold his breath, hoping that when he floated to the top, he would be "normal", This is one story of countless stories of people trying their hardest to be something they're not, and eventually giving up and saying, "This is me, I'm just going to have to live with it." You might say "You're just not trusting in the power of God to heal you." Well, tell that to the many people who have cried out to God in fasting and prayer, asking Him to take the desire away from them, only to wake up with the same SSA, eventually having to classify themself as a "gay christian." Also tell that to Michael Bussee, one of the founders of "Exodus International", the largest "exgay" organization in the nation, who strived for years to live the life of a heterosexual Christian (married and all), only to later have to admit that his exgayness was a lie--in turn, exposing the dishonesty in the organization, and inspiring other ex ex gays to speak out against the ex-gay movement.

But back to me. I personally have never been attracted to females. And I can remember back as far as age 5. I can remember my first crush and all. Now, where did all of this come from, I don't know. But I also know that one of my parents was once practicing homosexuality, long before I was born, before becoming a Christian. It may have been a "generational curse" or "genetic predisposition". Whatever name you put on it, it's the same thing. But, SSA is all I know. I have tried to imagine what it would be like to be "straight", but that's as far as I can go with it. The thought of heterosexual intercourse is, to put it bluntly, disgusting to me! The same as homosexual sex would be disgusting to you. I can and do appreciate the beauty of women--some I greatly admire. So, I don't hate women. But the thought of being intimate with them is a line I don't cross. Why? Because I feel deeply that I would not be being true to myself. Call it "selfish" all you want. But unless you are in my shoes, you simply cannot understand my conviction in the matter. If I was to have intercourse with a woman (hypothetically speaking), it would simply be going through the motions--mechanical. Because I can't relate to a female on that level. A man, on the other hand, I can relate to physically and emotionally. I can't explain why I get goosebumps and my heart goes to beating faster than normal, when a beautiful man walks by, and I feel so compelled to be in his arms...but every part of my being is involved in loving a man. And it's not something I try to do. It just comes natural. This was before I ever did anything with a male. I felt deep down inside that I could love another male on all levels, just as if I had already done it.

And for the sake of theory: if you say that it's impossible for a person to be born gay, you are contradicting the bible right there. Because the bible even says that man is "born in sin, and shaped in iniquity...". So, by saying that a person can't be born gay, you're refuting your own argument that it's a sin. We should really think about what we're believing and saying before we say it.

 
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Are we forgetting that Hebrew didn't use their word for "gay sex" when Leviticus was written? They used a word more closely associated with rape. And when Paul wrote Romans, he used a word that is more commonly used with the practice of the Romans using young male servants as sex play things, not consensual adult sex? And when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, as well as when the Levite visited the man in the book of Judges, the hosts of both houses seem more disgusted that the men of each city wanted to RAPE their guest simply b/c he was their guest, not b/c it was a man.

Simply put, when the Bible was translated, a WHOLE lot of things were taken out of the mix and translated poorly from Hebrew to Greek to Aramaic (New Testament) to Latin to German to English. Let's try less to condemn things that aren't properly spoken of in the Bible and condemn more, oh, I don't know, judging others before you have been judged in front of the glory of God. Saying a gay person isn't a Christian is saying you are not a Christian, b/c everyone sins. (Not that I believe homosexuality is a sin.) But I know I have sinned with my girlfriend and everyone sins probably everyday. Stop saying a person can't be a Christian b/c of the way they were born or the way nature shaped them. It's not right and Jesus would definitely not want us to judge people b/c of that.
 
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The words of man's modern science does not exclude you, nor me from judgment and righteousness. The words of Jesus are life, not man science. At best this science is not even science. These are lies by the children of Satan who do not follow Jesus Christ but their own lusts. The American Psychological Association doesn't speak for me, nor for God. Jesus speaks for God. His Holy Spirit bears witness of the truth.
How do you know God didn't give us people like Freud and other psychologists to help us better understand human nature? They were created by God. And as far as I can tell, Jesus isn't walking around right now on Earth, so slow your roll. And, calling an entire occupation of people "children of Satan" is ridiculous and ignorant. There are VERY Christian psychologists who just don't happen to think "conversion therapy" is humane or safe. You calling them children of Satan is worse than ANYTHING they are doing. B/c by saying that, you are condemning them to eternity in Hell. That's far more monstrous than anything they are doing.