Am I supposed to give all of first job's wages to god?

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Rolnik

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Well, we don't wanna return in the middle age where the more you pay the more God "loves" you. If God has allowed you to get a job and a decent life it's of course normal to give something back but I don't think giving away too much money is a good idea thoguh as you still need to pay for food, home, spare for later ... for I don't work yet I can't say for sure but I think I'll give 10% of what's left after I've paid my bills
 
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Christaly

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I my previous post, I agreed that giving with the right heart is required. But wasn't it always that way even from Cain and Abel? Its nothing new. In Matthew 23 Jesus states that the priests were giving their tithes and that was right, but their hearts weren't right.since there is no where saying that you don't have to give your tithes, why stop or say that it is so? The thing is, while giving your tithes you should do it with a good heart. The giving of the tithes began with Abraham and Abraham was not under law but under grace. just like us. No where is said that we should stop paying our tides.

It is talked about in the old testament also. Not because something is in the old testament and many cant find it in the new testament it all of a sudden means that the Old testament isn't valid. Not the whole testament is under the law. The law began with Moses and the new testament it doesn't count anymore.
As Christian I personally do believe in giving my tithes.
 

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The Bible tells the LORD LOVES THE CHEERFUL GIVER. I would encourage you to give your heart 100% to the Lord. and about money you can take decision with the help of Lord how much to offer to the Lord. If there is dicussion you cannot come to the conclusion of yes or no. It differ for person to person. You are free in Christ you are not forced to do this or that to give more or less. You may give more or less.but remember He is our king and Lord. as we sow, so shall we reap.
 

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Friend i want o know after paying bills should we give 10% of ou leftover. Or we should first 10% of our salary and with the remainder go for other stuff
 
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I need a bit of help on that, I've been told I'm supposed to.. Is it true? And has everyone done that? I know I have to pay the 10% (sorry I recently became christian!)
Hi Sophia,

No, you do not have to pay 10% to God. God's Word does not tell us to give 10% to Him. That is a man-made doctrine that is not supported by God's Word.

Preachers today tell their congregations that God requires a tithe of their money. Those preachers are not teaching truth from God's Word when they teach the monetary tithe.

First, God did tell a people to tithe. He told the Israelites to do so. Notice:

Leviticus 27:30-34 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

I have bolded one important part. That is the fact that it was a command for the children of Israel. If you do a search throughout the Word of God from Genesis to Luke, you will find that it is only the children of Israel who are responsible to tithe.

You will also find out that the tithe was always "eaten"

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

According to Malachi 3, tithing was an ordinance:

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Notice that when the Israelites asked, "how shall we return to your ordinances?" God answered with the indictment against them that they were guilty of robbing Him and to no longer be guilty, they had to bring the tithes into the storehouse. (by the way, there is no verse in the Bible that says the storehouse was moved from Jerusalem to your town. Don't let the preachers tell you God's storehouse is your Church)

God's Word tells us that His ordinances were abolished by His Son Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

God is not going to tell you to do something that His Word would contradict. He abolished the ordinances. One ordinance was the tithe. It is no more required.

Pastors who preach tithing today are guilty of tempting God.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Had tithing been a requirement, how did the Holy Spirit (who guides us into all truth; John 16:13) overlook it as one of the "necessary things"?

So, how much should you give to the Church? That is up to you.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The Greek word that the word "purposeth" is translated from is the word "proaireomai." It simply means, "to choose for oneself." You must decide for yourself what you will give, not rely on another man to tell you how much to give. God does not want your giving to be forced, or coerced. He wants you to give because you want to give and to give what you want to give.
 
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Leviticus 23:9,10
23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:



http://www.bolfconline.org/First-Friut.html


Giving the firstfruits to the Lord used to be a practice in old testament, this is not unbiblical,
I say this because I gave it.
A careful study of Scripture will reveal that firstfruits and tithes were not the same thing. Notice:

Nehemiah 10:37-38 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage. And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

The Israelites took the firstfruits into the storehouse chambers in the House of God. But the tithe, they took to the Levites. Who, in turn took a tithe of the tithe into the storehouse.
 
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When having whatever kind of job that requires being paid, you should always give 10% to God from what you have earned per month. In Matthew 22: 15-22 Jesus is talking about taxes, that you should give to Caesar what Caesar requires. Its the same with you tithe. You should give to God what HE requires. See, what I have recently learned is that The TITHE is like a circumcision of your finance income, because you are cutting away that which belongs to the God Almighty.
Giving your tithe to Him is like giving Him thanks, He gave it all up for you, His only son and all He is just asking for is just 10% of your income, that's it.
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When Jesus said, "and unto God that which is God's," He was not speaking of tithes. He was speaking of self-sacrifice. And Paul continued that same message...

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

The illustration of the penny in the Gospels is to show us that just as the penny was made with Caesar's image and therefore was subject to the government, we were made in Christ's image and should give of ourselves to His service.
 
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Friend i want o know after paying bills should we give 10% of ou leftover. Or we should first 10% of our salary and with the remainder go for other stuff
levi85,
you will have to decide for yourself what to give. If I tell you to give 10%, it may put you in a burden down the road. It may not be what God wants you to give.

Paul said in 2 Corinthians 8 that he did not want the saints at Corinth to give in a way that would make themselves burdened.
2 Corinthians 8:12-13 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

God does not want us to be burdened. On the flip-side, He also does not want us to horde. If we have, and are able to give to meet a need, then we should give. Keep your eyes and heart open to the needs of people around you. If you are able to help them, fantastic!

Matthew 25:34-40 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
 
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JoyofLord

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Hi Sophia,

No, you do not have to pay 10% to God. God's Word does not tell us to give 10% to Him. That is a man-made doctrine that is not supported by God's Word.

Preachers today tell their congregations that God requires a tithe of their money. Those preachers are not teaching truth from God's Word when they teach the monetary tithe.

First, God did tell a people to tithe. He told the Israelites to do so. Notice:

Leviticus 27:30-34 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

I have bolded one important part. That is the fact that it was a command for the children of Israel. If you do a search throughout the Word of God from Genesis to Luke, you will find that it is only the children of Israel who are responsible to tithe.

You will also find out that the tithe was always "eaten"

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

According to Malachi 3, tithing was an ordinance:

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Notice that when the Israelites asked, "how shall we return to your ordinances?" God answered with the indictment against them that they were guilty of robbing Him and to no longer be guilty, they had to bring the tithes into the storehouse. (by the way, there is no verse in the Bible that says the storehouse was moved from Jerusalem to your town. Don't let the preachers tell you God's storehouse is your Church)

God's Word tells us that His ordinances were abolished by His Son Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

God is not going to tell you to do something that His Word would contradict. He abolished the ordinances. One ordinance was the tithe. It is no more required.

Pastors who preach tithing today are guilty of tempting God.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Had tithing been a requirement, how did the Holy Spirit (who guides us into all truth; John 16:13) overlook it as one of the "necessary things"?

So, how much should you give to the Church? That is up to you.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The Greek word that the word "purposeth" is translated from is the word "proaireomai." It simply means, "to choose for oneself." You must decide for yourself what you will give, not rely on another man to tell you how much to give. God does not want your giving to be forced, or coerced. He wants you to give because you want to give and to give what you want to give.
Thank you so much for sharing that Standing firm in Christ, the truth will set you free alright. That is so freeing. :)

Hey Sophia I'll share my testimony with you, I remember when I first got saved the Holy Spirit led me to 2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. The more I fell in love with God and got to know him through the relationship that I have with him I wanted to give more but because I was a new Christian and our church taught the tithing lesson I thought that I heard from the holy spirit wrong. What could I know as a young Christian was my thought.

I have been in bondage for years because of the tithing lesson and have only recently been released into freedom through the Holy spirit. The more you love God the more you will want to give and he will lead you to give to his work and the things he has a heart for. I believe the preachers are actually shooting themselves in the foot because by preaching the tithing teaching people think well I have given enough, I have done my share, 10% is all I need to give but when God starts working on your heart and you grow closer to him there is freedom in giving and people would probably be more inclined to give more than 10%. I know that is how I have felt, I am like lord if only I had more to give to your work. This has only come through time and the love and relationship I have with God. bless you as you seek the truth with the holy spirit, he will reveal all truth to you, Ask the holy spirit to give you a revelation and reveal all truth to you and he will Love JoyofLord

God looks at the heart, he knows your heart is in the right place :)

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
 

respekt

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Hi Sophia-95,

Welcome to the family in Christ! We all are happy to have you here :). Maybe my opinion is different than people's and I wish the Holy Spirit alone can give you understanding about this. I can only share you my experience and view towards your question.

Maybe you were told about this verse, "Honor the Lord with your wealth and with all the firstfruits of all you produce" (Proverbs 3:9)

Honestly, it's not easy to give all of first job wages to God though I was taught to give. Back to the very first time I got my first wage, truthfully I could not give all to God because I moved out and had to pay for the rent and stuff and if the condition at that time was possible for me to give, then I would. But I never forgot of tithing, I always give Him at least 10% of my wages. I could feel God's force has followed me, He blesses me with my job, family and life. The more I give Him the more I receive His blessings. I consider it as a sense of thanksgiving for what I have received from God. I'm not telling you that you have to give all but give Him as much as you can which does not bother you. Because He sees your heart and intentions. Do not worry to much about that! But I want to tell you that GIVING IS A VERY GOOD THING and is biblical as well. Some verses below are my fave :)

Psalm 126:5, "Those who sow in tears shall reap with shouts of joy"

Luke 6: 37-38, "give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you"

If you want to share and discuss about this furthermore, you can send me a message. God bless!
 
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Hi Sophia-95,

Welcome to the family in Christ! We all are happy to have you here :). Maybe my opinion is different than people's and I wish the Holy Spirit alone can give you understanding about this. I can only share you my experience and view towards your question.

Maybe you were told about this verse, "Honor the Lord with your wealth and with all the firstfruits of all you produce" (Proverbs 3:9)

Honestly, it's not easy to give all of first job wages to God though I was taught to give. Back to the very first time I got my first wage, truthfully I could not give all to God because I moved out and had to pay for the rent and stuff and if the condition at that time was possible for me to give, then I would. But I never forgot of tithing, I always give Him at least 10% of my wages. I could feel God's force has followed me, He blesses me with my job, family and life. The more I give Him the more I receive His blessings. I consider it as a sense of thanksgiving for what I have received from God. I'm not telling you that you have to give all but give Him as much as you can which does not bother you. Because He sees your heart and intentions. Do not worry to much about that! But I want to tell you that GIVING IS A VERY GOOD THING and is biblical as well. Some verses below are my fave :)

Psalm 126:5, "Those who sow in tears shall reap with shouts of joy"

Luke 6: 37-38, "give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you"

If you want to share and discuss about this furthermore, you can send me a message. God bless!
The wise king Solomon was not speaking of tithing when he penned the words found in Proverbs 3:9.

Substance could mean money, but it meant far more. It meant all that God has given. But notice something that is missing in that verse that people keep wanting to insert in it? Paying of tithes.

Firstfruits were not tithes, and tithes were not firstfruits.

Notice also, the verse says to "Honour the LORD," not "Pay the LORD."

So many want to make this verse a prooftext for tithing of money when it never even mentions tithing at all.

Jesus Christ abolished the tithe ordinance in His flesh. For one to say they are tithing when Christ abolished the tithe is tantamount to one shaking one's fist in God's face and saying, "I'll do things my way instead of yours."

God's Holy Spirit had men of old pen down what he requires of men as far as giving today. That method is to choose for oneself what one wishes to give. To tell Sophia to tithe is tempting the God whose Son abolished the tithe.
 
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As I notice, some believe in tithing others don't. I don't really think God is making this a problem as along as we now what we are supposed to do as Christians. We believe through faith that Jesus is Lord and that He died on the cross an we walk in the paths of righteousness with him on our side. If things need to be changed God will make away for things to work out. He looks at the heart, if you are walking the walk and you want to give, give. You're not going to hell if you do or don't pay your tithe especially when its a bit unclear to most, because we take scriptures differently. besides, again God will make away for us to understand that which we do not.
 
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CHRISTENE

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Genesis 14:17-21
14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

Even before the laws were given by God through Moses, Abraham gave Melchizedek the tithes of all he had received.

Who does Melchizedek symbolise?
Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
Hebrew 7:
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace." 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. 4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.' "

And we who are saved by faith are called the Children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:7,29
7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

John 8:39
"Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did.

How can it be a sin to do what was considered right by God once?

I do know the difference between tithing and the firstfruits.
Firstfruits as I can understand is the first crops or the first sheaf collected in the harvest, and it is the first yield of our hard work.
For me it was my first pay.
tithing is one tenth of what we received , I am not confused in this matter.



Glory be to God.
 

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The wise king Solomon was not speaking of tithing when he penned the words found in Proverbs 3:9.

Substance could mean money, but it meant far more. It meant all that God has given. But notice something that is missing in that verse that people keep wanting to insert in it? Paying of tithes.

Firstfruits were not tithes, and tithes were not firstfruits.

Notice also, the verse says to "Honour the LORD," not "Pay the LORD."

So many want to make this verse a prooftext for tithing of money when it never even mentions tithing at all.

Jesus Christ abolished the tithe ordinance in His flesh. For one to say they are tithing when Christ abolished the tithe is tantamount to one shaking one's fist in God's face and saying, "I'll do things my way instead of yours."

God's Holy Spirit had men of old pen down what he requires of men as far as giving today. That method is to choose for oneself what one wishes to give. To tell Sophia to tithe is tempting the God whose Son abolished the tithe.
Hi brother StandingFirmInChrist,

Could you please read carefully my post above? I said it's a sense of thanksgiving. I was surely taught by my church to do tithing, it's not only about money, but also is talking about time, energy and stuff that can be given to God. Why are we so selfish by keeping those blessings as we are also blessed to be a blessing?

If you say, "Pay the LORD" then it's wrong. Our LORD has everything, He doesn't even need our money. Now I'm asking you, how do you mean by "Honour the LORD" on this verse? Was it just to praise, worship and pray? Well, I think it's more than that.

Again, don't be stingy once you are blessed! It can be taken out from you.

I'm not telling Sophia to tithe is tempting the God whose Son abolished the tithe. Please, read carefully. You must have must misread my explanation above.

Above all, that's my opinion. I also stated above that I wished she got understanding from the Holy Spirit. Let the Holy Spirit guide her, we can only give her inputs based on our spiritual experiences and views.
 

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There are a ton of verses about tithing in the Old Testament and a lot fewer in the New Testament. Actually, it is true that tithing isn’t talked about nearly as much in the New Testament as the Old Testament. Personally, I don’t believe that in anyway nullifies the value of it as a practice.

Under the New Covenant our salvation is not based upon our obedience to the 10 Commandments, but does that mean that we shouldn’t still follow them? Are they suddenly of no value? I think the same can be said of tithing. While you can debate all day long about whether or not it is a command for New Testament believers, it will still provide a blessing just like it did in the Old Covenant.

FMF brings up two great points about New Testament tithing…

1. Jesus endorsed the tithe

In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 Jesus referred to tithing as something that should not be neglected…

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.”

2. As New Testament believers we are called to a higher calling

Like it or not, we are living under the New Covenant and as a result, we have increased responsibilities in certain areas.

Luke 12:48 (NIV)

…From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.


Read the full article this was taken from here: Tithing In The New Testament
 

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Oh, yeah, and I forgot. No, you don't have to give your first full paycheck. A tithe is 10%. Anything given above that is considered an offering. God asks that the tithe and offerings be taken into the storehouse, which means the church. You give your tithe to the church you attend so that there would be meat in the house of God. You can give your offerings elsewhere, to ministries outside of your church, or to other ministries in your church, such as missionaries and youth and such. The tithe must go to the place where you are fed the word of God, the place you consider your home church. See Malachi regarding this.
 
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While it is true that Abram tithed before the Mosaic Law was given, it may be that he did so because of a Law during his day.

The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible says the following of the tithe:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]“A 10th part of one’s income consecrated to God. The separation of a certain proportion of the products of one’s industry or of the spoils of war as tribute to their gods was practiced by various nations of antiquity. The Lydians offered a tithe of their booty (Herod. I, 89). The Phoenicians and Carthaginians sent a tithe annually to the Tyrian Hercules. These tithes might be regular or occasional, voluntary or prescribed by law.” (emphasis mine)

The pagans practiced tithing of the spoi[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]ls of war... hmmm. So it is possible that Abram was following a pagan custom, that of giving 10% of war spoils to a king or a deity.

But we still have a problem. Abram was rich. He had gold and silver of his own. Yet the Word of God does not tell us that he ever tithed his own riches, his own money. Only that he tithed the spoils of war. With that information, it is highly possible that Abram was practicing a pagan custom of giving 10% of war spoils to a king or deity.

Was this a tithe to God? It doesn't appear to be.

Those who go to Abram and Melchizedek because he tithed before the Law, I have to ask...

Would you marry your sister or brother? After all, Abram did before the Law.
Would you allow your husband to take a second wife? After all, Sarah gave Hagar to Abram to father a child prior to the Law.
Would you ladies marry your husband's brother should he pass away? After all, the Levirate marriage was prior to the Law. (note that the Levirate marriage also carried into the Law. Jesus was asked a question about it by Pharisees once)

But regardless whether the ordinance of tithing was practiced prior to the Law or not, Jesus still abolished that ordinance. To say one can practice that which Christ abolished is tantamount to shaking one's fist in God's face, saying, "I'll do things my way."



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Oh, yeah, and I forgot. No, you don't have to give your first full paycheck. A tithe is 10%. Anything given above that is considered an offering. God asks that the tithe and offerings be taken into the storehouse, which means the church. You give your tithe to the church you attend so that there would be meat in the house of God. You can give your offerings elsewhere, to ministries outside of your church, or to other ministries in your church, such as missionaries and youth and such. The tithe must go to the place where you are fed the word of God, the place you consider your home church. See Malachi regarding this.
Where in Scripture does God ask us to take 10% to the Church? I have heard many a preacher make such a statement, yet none can produce Scripture that says we are to take 10% of our money to the Church.
 

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But regardless whether the ordinance of tithing was practiced prior to the Law or not, Jesus still abolished that ordinance. To say one can practice that which Christ abolished is tantamount to shaking one's fist in God's face, saying, "I'll do things my way."
I disagree. Jesus did not abolish the ordinance, nor did He abolish the law. Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 shows this to us:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices - mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the most important matters of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." (emphasis mine)

Then, we also have Matthew 5:17-20, which says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

As you see above, the Pharisees tithed but did not love. So, are we as Christians to love but not tithe? I daresay that we are to tithe cheerfully and love abundantly, to exceed that which the Pharisees considered to be good enough.

And, honestly, what is the big deal anyway? 10% is a trifle when you consider what God has done, is doing and will do for you. If you attend church, you are called to support the moving and work of God in that church with your tithes. (Malachi)
 

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Where in Scripture does God ask us to take 10% to the Church? I have heard many a preacher make such a statement, yet none can produce Scripture that says we are to take 10% of our money to the Church.
Malachi...as I said in the original post. But, to make it easier, here you go:

Malachi 3:6-12 says, "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from My statutes and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you, says the LORD of hosts. But you say, 'How shall we return?' Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me. But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In your tithes and contributions. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you. Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house. And thereby put Me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. I will rebuke the devourer for your, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the LORD of hosts. Then all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a land of delight, says the LORD of hosts.