Are Women worth less than men?

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fredoheaven

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Nov 17, 2015
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It is said that:

"behind the success of men lies the women

but

"behind the failures of men are the women"

why?

because women are said to be a "woe to men" hehehe!
 
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Men and women are equal but different. Women are able better to feel things in relationships, to reach out, to set up support networks, to work out compromises, to be a kind of glue.

Men are decisive, do rediculous things and dream and fight for ideas when all else says they are crazy. They tend to be alone, or with one or two contacts and emphasis power and success.

Now who has authority and who does not often does not matter, because it is the decisions that get taken that matter.
Often the leader is a figure head, which is driven by the understanding of others. So when you get lost in gender roles you are getting lost in the real issue in life, relationships and how you deal with each other. That is a much deeper and harder thing to learn.

In all circumstances individuals make a difference, whether male or female.
 

JennaLeanne

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I definitely think women are considered much more higher than men.. They are just called "men" God called us "WO-MAN" like WOOOOOOO MAN she is so awesome ;) Haha.. Just at joke.. Don't shoot me down fellas! We are all as equals in our fathers eyes.. No one worth more than the other.. All equally special and beautiful.. Proverbs 31 tells us a woman's worth is far more than rubies. Share this with ya friend xxx
 

Shawn2516

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I believe we are all loved by God equally, but on a human-down-to-earth level, I believe we need to discern people, their gifts, and character.

For example, do you give a 10 year old the job of General of the armed forces? Why not? Are we not all equal? Common-sense tells us why. A 10 year old does not have the intelligence or ability to deploy our troops effectively for the defense of the nation.

Likewise, God has given every human-being unique gifts tailored specifically to him or her. Its in the scripture that God has given a city or town its "blacksmiths" and "craftsmen". Jesus was a carpenter but he wasn't a house painter.

The point is, I believe people should go with their roles, its what they love to do anyway (God's gift to them) and its better for society.

I don't believe the whole men and women are equal, because I don't see women fit as leaders or builders of society. That doesn't mean they can't absolutely not lead, there are exceptions and God can give the gift of leadership to a woman, such as Joan of Arc.

However I think ladies would like this arrangement personally, since they get the benefits of being "ladies" and all the perks that come with that, one being not being drafted into military service.

Regardless, I believe in meritocracy, give the job to the BEST candidate available, whether it be a man or woman, not this whole quota system where men and women must be 50/50 in every job market.
 

TheAristocat

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I'm not sure if this was posted or discussed on here before, but i'd like hear your thoughts on this.

I have a friend. she is mid 20's no believer in Jesus. her family is religious and has a strong biblical worldview. she is frustrated because her family is of the opinion that women and men are not fully and completely equal. the family believes that God create men to lead and be the head of the things like the church, the family, and society in general i guess. MY fiend expressed to me her frustration because she believes the family is "stuck in the past" and holding on to "archaic gender roles".

I'm curious to know how young women feel about this. do you believe that men should lead and women should submit in today's world? what is equality and how do we measure the value of male vs female?
Who is worth more to God? The one who obeys him and is a servant for his kingdom. Who is worth more to the supervisor of a warehouse? Someone who is tall and strong. Who is worth more in a customer service position? Someone who can represent the company with a beautiful face and a happy, disarming attitude. So I really think it depends on context.
 
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Church2u2

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Well if that's the case then why were women even created? What should be asked is why Adam listened to Eve and ate the fruit in the first place. Cause he should have known better than to disobey the Creator to please what the Creator crafted as his help meet? I mean.. what power did Eve posses that so thoroughly turned Adam out??It couldn't have been sex cause they didn't have the wisdom to even know what that was. Now if someone can answer that then maybe I can answer if women are worth less than men.
 
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Lillow

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They didn't have sex?
 
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Tintin

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Well if that's the case then why were women even created? What should be asked is why Adam listened to Eve and ate the fruit in the first place. Cause he should have known better than to disobey the Creator to please what the Creator crafted as his help meet? I mean.. what power did Eve posses that so thoroughly turned Adam out??It couldn't have been sex cause they didn't have the wisdom to even know what that was. Now if someone can answer that then maybe I can answer if women are worth less than men.
God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and to multiply before creation was plunged into sin and death. So, yes. They would've known about sex and have 'known' each other in a biblical sense by then.
 
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Lillow

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Good to know, i was just about to get confused, but what about Eve tempting Adam?
 
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Tintin

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Good to know, i was just about to get confused, but what about Eve tempting Adam?
Eve didn't tempt Adam. He did it of his own volition. Eve was deceived by the serpent but Adam willfully rebelled against God.
 
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Lillow

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From what it sound like men and women suck equally. But i have a question. Does God clearly state all of what women can and can't do in the bible. Or is it kinda a guessing game?
 
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LeaveittoGod

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#32
Women and men are both equal in worth amd value to God, they just have different roles in life.
 
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Lillow

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Okay i agree with that, but does the bible state all the ways that women are not like men. All the things women can't do?
 
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Tintin

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From what it sound like men and women suck equally. But i have a question. Does God clearly state all of what women can and can't do in the bible. Or is it kinda a guessing game?
Yeah, that's pretty much it. The Bible doesn't lay out in clear detail everything that males and females can and can't do in this life. But if it's not stated outright, it can be inferred by understanding who God is and what His nature is and how He relates to a sinful humanity. Think about it like this, instead of thinking, 'what can I get away with?'. The better question to ask is, 'how can I honour God, myself and other people?' I hope this helps.
 
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Church2u2

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God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and to multiply before creation was plunged into sin and death. So, yes. They would've known about sex and have 'known' each other in a biblical sense by then.
Wait a minute..are you saying they had sex before eating the fruit? Because Eve didn't get pregnant until after they were expelled from Eden. I was just wondering what Eve used to convince Adam to wilfully disobey God because before then they were naked..and well if a naked woman isn't tempting to most men..at least heterosexual ones..Then I don't know what is.I mean they were naked every single day and didn't know it until after they ate the fruit.So how did Eve cause Adam to sin?
 
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Church2u2

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Or rather..how did she persuade him to disobey God?
 
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Lillow

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I think it was kinda his choice. She was like "here is an apple"
And he was like "cool" or at least that is what i was getting from the situation
 

Calmador

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I'm not sure if this was posted or discussed on here before, but i'd like hear your thoughts on this.

I have a friend. she is mid 20's no believer in Jesus. her family is religious and has a strong biblical worldview. she is frustrated because her family is of the opinion that women and men are not fully and completely equal. the family believes that God create men to lead and be the head of the things like the church, the family, and society in general i guess. MY fiend expressed to me her frustration because she believes the family is "stuck in the past" and holding on to "archaic gender roles".

I'm curious to know how young women feel about this. do you believe that men should lead and women should submit in today's world? what is equality and how do we measure the value of male vs female?
Just because someone believes it... doesn't mean its in the bible. Just because that family believes women are worth less than men ... doesn't mean its in the bible. As far as I've seen, the bible preaches that men and women are worth the same, but men have the role of leadership when it comes to family and church. That being said... when I say this to a non-christian... he or she will automically think by default that means women are worth less if men take leadership. This is false because by default we believe Jesus is equal to G-d the father and guess what?? We also believe that Jesus submits to G-d the fathers will. There's leadership given to G-d the father over Jesus Christ... Yet we view them both as equal.

Lastly, there's this verse that CLEARLY shows men and women are "equal" in that we are all one in Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
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Tintin

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Wait a minute..are you saying they had sex before eating the fruit? Because Eve didn't get pregnant until after they were expelled from Eden. I was just wondering what Eve used to convince Adam to wilfully disobey God because before then they were naked..and well if a naked woman isn't tempting to most men..at least heterosexual ones..Then I don't know what is.I mean they were naked every single day and didn't know it until after they ate the fruit.So how did Eve cause Adam to sin?
I never said Eve caused Adam to sin, I think you did though. And yes, Adam and Eve had sex before they ate the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God told them to be fruitful and to multiply and they would've obeyed God. Eve didn't have Cain until they had been expelled from the garden of Eden, but that doesn't mean she wasn't pregnant beforehand. And even if she wasn't pregnant beforehand, Adam and Eve would've 'known' each other before The Fall, but Cain would've been conceived and born not long after.
 
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Tintin

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Or rather..how did she persuade him to disobey God?
I don't get the impression that Eve did persuade Adam to disobey God. This is all the Bible says about that moment. I think Lillow has the right idea (although the fruit probably wasn't an apple).

[SUP]6 [/SUP]So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

Genesis 3:6