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How unfair is to say that if someone has a disease it's because she/he doesn't have enough faith in healing or because of sin. Are we those healthy less sinful??? we deserve to be healthy? come on, that's fooling yourself or worst it's plain boasting.
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We are all undeserving of everything he gives to us, but is given to us anyway.

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I'm perfectly healthy and I count it as blessing not something I deserve.
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I never said people deserve it, but I'm not going to totally discount that God can't heal people of their afflictions.

erika83 said:
It's true that sickness doesn't come from God but He does allow it at times and doesn't always heal either.
See Paul, he asked 3 times to be healed and then said "your grace is sufficient for me".
For those who are sick, be sure that God has a plan with that in your life, He can be glorified through you probably better than if you were healthy.
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Better to be sick, then healed to show the glory of God rather not be healed ever.

Do not misrepresent the context in the bible of when Paul asked God to heal him 3 times. As I said before, deliverance is a process and yes his grace is sufficient for all of us right now!
 
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vahn said:
Ephesians 6:12
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

And this relates to things like viruses and bacteria how? Especially considering nothing even in the context relates to illness or disease. Its about resisting satan. Nothing about health issues. Even this form you OP " Yes, I do believe all mental illness and any other sickness is caused by demonic activity or generational curses. And I know there are handful of Christians that say otherwise." Really generational curses? So thats like the old-school Sins of the Father belief? And handful of other Christians...no try the majority disagree with you.
 
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Shard said:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

And this relates to things like viruses and bacteria how?
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There you go sir.

As I said before, physical, spiritual, emotional. It does not matter. If it is not of God, it cannot stay.
 
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I'm not going to debate this back and forth, just telling you that I met strong christians who were sick and praised God in their sickness as well and came to terms with their hardship. That does glorify God to be happy and content in difficult times. There is a purpose for everything that God allows in our lives and not every christian is going to be in perfect health, God never promised that, spiritual health yes, but not physical.
Sadly seems you are strongly influenced by the health and wealth false teaching.
 
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i just marvel at the false teachings that are allowed to proliferate these boards.
 
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erika83 said:
I'm not going to debate this back and forth, just telling you that I met strong christians who were sick and praised God in their sickness as well and came to terms with their hardship. That does glorify God to be happy and content in difficult times. There is a purpose for everything that God allows in our lives and not every christian is going to be in perfect health, God never promised that, spiritual health yes, but not physical.
Sadly seems you are strongly influenced by the health and wealth false teaching.
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Our God is a God that heals all physical and spiritual. He didn't just die on the cross for spiritual things, but all things.

I do not partake in any wealth teaching. God wants us to take medication for the rest of our life. I can say that is not God's will. I believe God wants us to be more reliable on him than the medication. That's not to say don't take your meds because I understand that people need them to address the symptoms, but medicine does not cure mental illness. I'm sorry you don't believe in being healthy just because you don't know why God doesn't heal those who ask and still aren't.

And Shard. Lets be a little more mature and a little less self-righteous. There is nothing contradictory to what I say that is spoken of in the bible. If I am for God who can be against me?

God is our healer, our deliverer.
 
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I said health and wealth (not only wealth) and I don't question God's power to heal, He CAN but He will NOT ALWAYS do.
If you believe that His will is to always heal physical diseases, then yes that's a false "health doctorine."
 
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erika83 said:
I said health and wealth (not only wealth) and I don't question God's power to heal, He CAN but He will NOT ALWAYS do.
If you believe that His will is to always heal physical diseases, then yes that's a false "health doctorine."
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How is it false?

Scripture teaches us that he heals.
 
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vahn said:
Our God is a God that heals all physical and spiritual. He didn't just die on the cross for spiritual things, but all things.

I do not partake in any wealth teaching. God wants us to take medication for the rest of our life. I can say that is not God's will. I believe God wants us to be more reliable on him than the medication. That's not to say don't take your meds because I understand that people need them to address the symptoms, but medicine does not cure mental illness. I'm sorry you don't believe in being healthy just because you don't know why God doesn't heal those who ask and still aren't.

And Shard. Lets be a little more mature and a little less self-righteous. There is nothing contradictory to what I say that is spoken of in the bible. If I am for God who can be against me?

God is our healer, our deliverer.
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Nothing cures mental illness, it can get better and be manageable, but it doesn't just go away forever.

P.S

Shard, it is crazy some of the stuff that is allowed to be preached on many Christian sites.
 
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AliceOfLegend said:
Nothing cures mental illness, it can get better and be manageable, but it doesn't just go away forever.

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Shard, it is crazy some of the stuff that is allowed to be preached on many Christian sites.
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Jesus does. And yes it is so crazy to believe that God heals people!
 
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erika83

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How is it false?

Scripture teaches us that he heals.
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show me the scripture where do you read that christians will be no sick as long as they have enough faith?
I said HE HEALS but NOT ALWAYS!
 
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erika83 said:
show me the scripture where do you read that christians will be no sick as long as they have enough faith?
I said HE HEALS but NOT ALWAYS!
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That's just one of the many reasons he doesn't heal. Never said it was the only reason.

But for someone who has been healed I don't think you are in any instance to be telling people they can't be healed until you have experienced it first hand and with your lack of wisdom in the deliverance ministry.

My final point stands. God heals. For the reasons why he doesn't is to perhaps build our character into who he wants us to be. That's not to say he will never heal you. All good things come from him. Good night and god bless.
 
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My final point stands too, I agree that God HEALS physical diseases but NOT ALWAYS! and you didn't back your point with scripture, anyway I'm done with this topic.
 
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Mat.4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.​
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And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.​
Mat.9:35​
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.​
Mat 12:15b​
and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
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erika83 said:
My final point stands too, I agree that God HEALS physical diseases but NOT ALWAYS! and you didn't back your point with scripture, anyway I'm done with this topic.
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  1. Matthew 12:24
    But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
  2. Matthew 12:27
    And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
  3. Matthew 12:28
    But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
  4. Mark 1:34
    and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.
Mark 9:38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."

Mark 9:39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.



Acts 5:38-40 (New International Version)

38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."
40His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.


When Jesus was here, he healed. Man-made beliefs will leave you in a spiral of confusion.

Also, thank you for that post BBW4
 
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