If God is loving then why?

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WoundedGemini

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Thank you for your advice :). You seem to really care and understand what I'm dealing with and I appreciate it very much. I have begun to read my Bible more but I am planning on meeting with a Christian counselor soon about all this I'm just very scared
 
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kaylagrl

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Thank you for your advice :). You seem to really care and understand what I'm dealing with and I appreciate it very much. I have begun to read my Bible more but I am planning on meeting with a Christian counselor soon about all this I'm just very scared
Dont be afraid, you are headed in the right direction! God is with you and loves you.
 

wolfwint

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So I am dealing with some major problems. First off my view of God is becoming more and more negative because of one major issue that I do not understand. If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT. Let me explain what has brought me to this point. So for several years I have been struggling with who i am as a person. I do not believe I'm good enough, never felt as though I measured up. Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell. How can God be loving if

#1 He condemns people for a tendency which they can only partially help

#2 He gives someone something this hard to deal with, something that makes people even suicide over it. How come we must deal with arguably one of the worst issues. God is supposed to be a just God, why then did He allow this to happen to us. Why were we the "special" ones.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.

So my question is how can God be looked at as merciful and loving if He condemns people like this. Also I'm sorry but Christians completely downplay this whole issue. I firmly believe until you have gone through this same problem you do not fully understand the amount of pain, stress, guilt, tension and war that goes on inside us every day. They say "oh it's a choice it can be helped" "just ask for forgiveness". Are you kidding me?! What kind of advice is that for someone who has cut over this issue (yes I've cut a few times over this). I mean comon it's easy for you to say, but if you were me you would see it in a different light. Please you need to understand this is a MAJOR problem, not something made up or something easily fixed.

I'm sorry if any of this is a bit controversial. Please all I ask is that everyone try to be nice and understanding in the comments. I'm worried I'm at a crossroads and one of three scenarios will play out.

#1 I will accept myself as a guy and stay a Christian

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.

Please I really need some help here I'm scared and this whole thing is making me really emotional. I do not know how much longer I can deal with this.
Hallo woundetgemini, it seems that many pray for you. I hope this post can help you, too.
[h=2]If God is loving then why?[/h]- many christians are suffering because of their outlook and feel as outsider because the people love people who looks
pretty, thin, smart and clever. You see in the world and even among under christians.
- many christians struggle with deseases, sickness, handycaps, and are alone and outsider
- many christians have to accept that they live in poor conditions without seeing a outcome.
- many christians live in slavery without any hope of freedom from their landlord ore owners.
- many christians live in a body and think they belong to another gender ore have feelings to the same gender.

All of them have one thing in common: God´s love!!!

The most of the above mentioned brothers and sisters can not have what we would call a normal life!
God createt you as you are and he knows how you feel and what you hunger for.
So as he knows everybody in his family who is struggeling, suffering and feels.

That we have this, is not because of God is not loving us, but because the sin is in this world. And this will have an end
then when we die ore Jesus transform us in our heavenly body.

What help is this for you? A question which is for all of us, do we live for ourself or do we serve the Lord with that what he
gave to us? With our strengh and if this is so very little that we will not recognize it as strengh. What is it that gods want
from us?
I suppose our love and our trust in him and our obidience.

We can only know who we are, if we know where we come from and where we are going to. And this answer gives alone
God in his word.

I pray for you and hope that you find the way for your life which god gave to you! As follower of Christ i suppose we will
never called normal. It is not so important what we are, but how we live as that what we are.
 

EmilyNats

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I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.
You've been given a lot of good, biblical advice from my brothers and sisters on here. I would like to add one thing concerning the above quote, though.

You are correct about feelings and tendencies not being a choice. But that is all part of temptation. What really matters is how we act open those temptations. And when you think about it, most sins ever made started with a "feeling". Alcoholism, abuse, lust, and most infamously murder. Yes, some people have very violent tendencies. And if one such person came across someone they really hated, they may indeed feel like killing that person. But does that make it right? No. And depending on what choice they make regarding that feeling, they could have a chance to better themselves, or that may get sent to prison.

Now, mind you, I am not putting murder and unbiblical sexual identity on the same level. But it was just an easy illustration.

But anyway, continue serving deliverance. It is God's will that no man should perish, but that all should be saved. God bless, and welcome to CC!
 

Roughsoul1991

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[h=1]1 Corinthians 10:13-14Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to humanity. God is faithful, and He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation He will also provide a way of escape so that you are able to bear it.

If temptation was easy my friend we would all be saints. But Paul tells us that God does not tempt us with anything we are not able to handle and will, in fact, provide us with the tool to escape it. You are not as weak as you believe because you may be forgetting your best weapon!

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[h=1]James 1:12-14Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]12 A man who endures trials is blessed, because when he passes the test he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 No one undergoing a trial should say, “I am being tempted by God.” For God is not tempted by evil, and He Himself doesn’t tempt anyone.14 But each person is tempted when he is drawn away and enticed by his own evil desires.

God does not tempt you in fact the devil does not tempt you. This would only prove that God and the Devil can force us to feel certain ways that leads to temptation. The temptation comes from the flesh and the devil will only try to make you act on the temptation by telling you lies. While God on the other hand is saying," Son I have gave you a shield, armor, and a sword. So why are you not using it!

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[h=1]Ephesians 6:13-18[/h][FONT=&quot] 13 This is why you must take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having prepared everything, to take your stand. 14 Stand, therefore,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]with truth like a belt around your waist,
righteousness like armor on your chest,
15 and your feet sandaled with readiness
for the gospel of peace.[b]
16 In every situation take the shield of faith,
and with it you will be able to extinguish
all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit,
which is God’s word.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]18 Pray at all times in the Spirit with every prayer and request, and stay alert in this with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints

Always use Gods word and prayer to combat temptation. The truth will set you FREE!

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[h=1]Romans 12:12Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]12 Rejoice in hope; be patient in affliction; be persistent in prayer.[/FONT]
 

IDEAtor

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This is the lengthiest reply I've ever written. As always, sorry for typos. The purpose was looking at pressing topic (personal temptation) with a Biblical basis. There is no flow, or rhythm. It's just another response:


Okay, before you deal with morality and ethics, you need to consider the reality of a deity, the one whom you call God.
If God exists, then who is this God and where do you get your basic ideas about Him (since you refer to God as masculine)?
If it is the Bible only, then you are faced with the horrific realities, as well as the grace afforded, especially through Jesus.
However, if you are basing your extra-biblical experience on extra-biblical sources, then it makes sense that you are going to miss the grace point found within the Bible.

You do not need to be a believer or a follower to exhibit moral or ethically sound choices. However, if you hold to the God of the Bible as being the Supreme Source for your comprehension, then you cannot add to His character, unless your view of that "god" is you can. Rather, should you believe but are tempted, you do well to consider how He can add to you.

God, the one you challenge for your temptations and tendencies, He made you-- somehow. And He did so with unfathomable wisdom. He could have just scribbled, thought, or built... but He created and He is clear about why. He did not do it so Timmy could be lifted out of the well, or that so-and-so could become rich and live a long and healthy life. God created for his glory, to reflect His image.

Talk about a more relative matter, changing one's path in life, steering from God's will is the created wandering or running from the Creator. You were created for the glory of God. The way that is fulfilled is within His Eternal Providence, meaning the laws instated or imagined are under His Allowance (which should not be confused with desire). And one of these realities, as you know... is Sin.

Even before man sinned, according to Genesis, sinfulness was manifested in the serpent's cunning questioning.
So we cannot blame people for its existence, but what you and I must consider is, are we guilty of ever sinning?
The Bible says that the origin of sin in man was the disobedient behavior of Adam. But the origin of each person's "original sin" is to his or her own fault. Sure, there are predispositions (like alcoholism), but the moment you choose a knowingly sinful behavior or thought and "give in" all that seems pointless... because that disobedience is no different than Adam's.

Talk about how God isn't loving! His created beings, billions to this day, deny and disobey His Sovereign Say.
He does show mercy and people question that, because "I would never allow." And he does have wrath to apply, but people say, "How can a God of love do this?" I mean, I get the question you ask. We all get it. We've all asked it, "Why?"

But I suggest you look at Genesis, since you get your idea of "God" from the Bible.
Remember how the fruit really looked good? It did, read the text-- it still was not allowed by God.
God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the land, except one area. Yet they were enticed and ultimately gave in.
Why? Because of a simple question: Did God really say?

Therefore,
Your battle may seem strange, but it is nothing new to humanity.
Temptation has been around from the start.
And so is that evasive, ever-present, haunting question: "Did God really say?"

Well, if so, then what's next for you?

Suggestion: Don't look for ways to disobey, but trust His love and abilities.
If you feel wired or drawn the wrong way, then ask God he wants to use you.
Ask for wisdom, but don't rely on understanding. Rather, lean on Him. (play catchy song here)
Following Jesus and imitating Him (not mocking) is the best way to endure/or find a better-transforming cure.

Does this help?
This is not a finger-wagging sermon.
This is look at the basics.

While man is basically created in God's image, someone or something looks to distort the Truth.

Note: I am not judging the original poster or anyone, but the Bible is clear about the love of God.
While there are various methods to achieving peace, none are better than Christ, "the exact representation" of God (Hebrews 1:3).
 
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Magenta

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Remember how the fruit really looked good? It did, read the text-- it still was not allowed by God.
God gave them dominion over the land, except one area. Yet they were enticed and ultimately gave in.
Why? Because of a simple question: Did God really say?
They were drawn away by their lusts (coveting): of the flesh, the eyes, and the pride of life.
 

IDEAtor

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This is the lengthiest reply I've ever written. As always, sorry for typos. The purpose was looking at pressing topic (personal temptation) with a Biblical basis. There is no flow, or rhythm. It's just another response:

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Talk about a more relative matter, changing one's path in life, steering from God's will is the created wandering or running from the Creator. You were created for the glory of God...
I see many mistakes. One I want to point out is "steering" should be "veering."
 

Siela01

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So I am dealing with some major problems. First off my view of God is becoming more and more negative because of one major issue that I do not understand. If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT. Let me explain what has brought me to this point. So for several years I have been struggling with who i am as a person. I do not believe I'm good enough, never felt as though I measured up. Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell. How can God be loving if

#1 He condemns people for a tendency which they can only partially help

#2 He gives someone something this hard to deal with, something that makes people even suicide over it. How come we must deal with arguably one of the worst issues. God is supposed to be a just God, why then did He allow this to happen to us. Why were we the "special" ones.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.

So my question is how can God be looked at as merciful and loving if He condemns people like this. Also I'm sorry but Christians completely downplay this whole issue. I firmly believe until you have gone through this same problem you do not fully understand the amount of pain, stress, guilt, tension and war that goes on inside us every day. They say "oh it's a choice it can be helped" "just ask for forgiveness". Are you kidding me?! What kind of advice is that for someone who has cut over this issue (yes I've cut a few times over this). I mean comon it's easy for you to say, but if you were me you would see it in a different light. Please you need to understand this is a MAJOR problem, not something made up or something easily fixed.

I'm sorry if any of this is a bit controversial. Please all I ask is that everyone try to be nice and understanding in the comments. I'm worried I'm at a crossroads and one of three scenarios will play out.

#1 I will accept myself as a guy and stay a Christian

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.

Please I really need some help here I'm scared and this whole thing is making me really emotional. I do not know how much longer I can deal with this.
Dude, God nvr created LGBT. I really trust u r normal .U r normal. Set ur mind u r normal. God loves u, whatever how hard it is i know that u can keep holding on, chin up. I will always pray for u but u dont forget to pray urself too. :)
 

Ahwatukee

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So I am dealing with some major problems. First off my view of God is becoming more and more negative because of one major issue that I do not understand. If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT. Let me explain what has brought me to this point. So for several years I have been struggling with who i am as a person. I do not believe I'm good enough, never felt as though I measured up. Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell. How can God be loving if

#1 He condemns people for a tendency which they can only partially help

#2 He gives someone something this hard to deal with, something that makes people even suicide over it. How come we must deal with arguably one of the worst issues. God is supposed to be a just God, why then did He allow this to happen to us. Why were we the "special" ones.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.

So my question is how can God be looked at as merciful and loving if He condemns people like this. Also I'm sorry but Christians completely downplay this whole issue. I firmly believe until you have gone through this same problem you do not fully understand the amount of pain, stress, guilt, tension and war that goes on inside us every day. They say "oh it's a choice it can be helped" "just ask for forgiveness". Are you kidding me?! What kind of advice is that for someone who has cut over this issue (yes I've cut a few times over this). I mean comon it's easy for you to say, but if you were me you would see it in a different light. Please you need to understand this is a MAJOR problem, not something made up or something easily fixed.

I'm sorry if any of this is a bit controversial. Please all I ask is that everyone try to be nice and understanding in the comments. I'm worried I'm at a crossroads and one of three scenarios will play out.

#1 I will accept myself as a guy and stay a Christian

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.

Please I really need some help here I'm scared and this whole thing is making me really emotional. I do not know how much longer I can deal with this.

Greetings WoundedGemini,

If God is really a loving God .


First of all, God is a loving God. He proved that by becoming a human being in order to be kinned to us so that he could redeem us as our kinsman redeemer. He was found in the flesh, but was without sin and thereby able to redeem us by paying the penalty for our sins by the shedding of His blood. The righteous for the unrighteous. Consequently, the reward for sin is death, but because he himself had no sin, he could pay the penalty for it, but death could not hold him, because He himself had no sin.

Because God is righteous, sin has to be dealt with. But in the midst of this, He also made a way for our sins to be atoned for and therefore provided a way for us to be reconciled to him, i.e. brought back into a right relationship with him.

why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT.


Because of sin, all people who come into the world, no matter who they are or what they do, are on their way to condemning judgment, guaranteed! The road is broad and the gate is wide that leads to destruction and many will enter through it. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether one is a thief, a liar, murder, adulterer, homosexual or LGBTQ. These are all acts of the sinful nature and all lead to death, which is eternal separation from God and punishment in the lake of fire.

Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell.


Regarding your gender issue, I believe that you are not understanding another aspect of why you have those feelings. Satan and his angels, hate God and hate those to whom his favor is directed, which would be us, humanity. That said, Satan and his angels, the powers of darkness, are able to influence people with these sexually immoral desires, because they know that if we willfully continue living according to the sinful nature that it keeps the individual separated from God and leads to death.

The person who has received Christ is in agreement with God that they are sinners and are in need of salvation. From the time that they receive Christ they have two natures, the old man with the sinful nature and the new man in Christ who wrestles with sin and to keep control over his/her body, sowing to the Spirit and not to the sinful nature. These two natures are contrary to one another, for the flesh is contrary to the spirit and the spirit contrary the flesh.

After becoming a Christian, for a long time I wrestled with sexual immorality, being intimate with different woman. But because I had previously received Christ, the Spirit of God dwells in me and I knew that to willfully continue to live a sexually immoral life would lead to death. I needed to get this part of my life under control. I needed to get free of this sin that I was a slave to. It wasn't until I earnestly prayed to God confessing to him that, according to his word, either this sexually immoral life style was going to kill me or that he was going to make it possible for me to once and for all break free of it. Because of the two natures, the flesh and the Spirit, this situation was destroying me! I needed to be free of it. And God heard me and I began to really fight against it and God helped me to overcome it. Today I am completely free of that life style.

Your situation is the same. If the Spirit of God truly dwells in you, you yourself will not be able to continue pursuing that life style. Neither will you be able to remain in it. If you are in Christ, then you need to make a true effort to break free from these sinful desires and continue to pray about it, asking God to help you to overcome them. I pray that you will not do what the world has done, which is to instead give into these desires and then proclaim to be in Christ, siting that God loves you just as you are. This is just a lie perpetrated by the enemy to allow you to remain in it. When we receive Christ, along with that comes repentance. Instead of repentance, those who are living same-sex life styles, have justified and embraced that life style and therefore are willfully living according the sinful nature, which keeps them separated from God. Regarding this, scripture says -

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Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return. The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life."

In other words, one can say that he belongs to Christ all he wants, but if he is willfully living according to the sinful nature he is not going to fool God and will reap destruction because he is deceiving himself by sowing to the sinful nature.

If you want forgiveness of sins and eternal life, then do it God's way. Trust in Christ for the payment of your sins and repent. Instead of giving into these sinful desires, overcome them, through prayer and staying in the word of God. And as many times as you fail at them, go to God and confess them and continue to fight against them. Your enemy, the devil, is going to tell you that you are not worthy of being forgiven, which is just another lie. But God says to come before his throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. As many times as you fail, confess it and ask for forgiveness in the name of Christ.

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.


Both of the options above will keep you separated from God and will lead you to death. God does not compromise on sin. We must receive forgiveness and the promise of eternal life through the way that he has provided. There is no such thing as a gay Christian. There is only one who was a gay and is now repented and is fighting to overcome the sinful nature.

I pray that God will give you strength to overcome what you are going through.
 
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So I am dealing with some major problems. First off my view of God is becoming more and more negative because of one major issue that I do not understand. If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT. Let me explain what has brought me to this point. So for several years I have been struggling with who i am as a person. I do not believe I'm good enough, never felt as though I measured up. Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell. How can God be loving if

#1 He condemns people for a tendency which they can only partially help

#2 He gives someone something this hard to deal with, something that makes people even suicide over it. How come we must deal with arguably one of the worst issues. God is supposed to be a just God, why then did He allow this to happen to us. Why were we the "special" ones.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.

So my question is how can God be looked at as merciful and loving if He condemns people like this. Also I'm sorry but Christians completely downplay this whole issue. I firmly believe until you have gone through this same problem you do not fully understand the amount of pain, stress, guilt, tension and war that goes on inside us every day. They say "oh it's a choice it can be helped" "just ask for forgiveness". Are you kidding me?! What kind of advice is that for someone who has cut over this issue (yes I've cut a few times over this). I mean comon it's easy for you to say, but if you were me you would see it in a different light. Please you need to understand this is a MAJOR problem, not something made up or something easily fixed.

I'm sorry if any of this is a bit controversial. Please all I ask is that everyone try to be nice and understanding in the comments. I'm worried I'm at a crossroads and one of three scenarios will play out.

#1 I will accept myself as a guy and stay a Christian

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.

Please I really need some help here I'm scared and this whole thing is making me really emotional. I do not know how much longer I can deal with this.
Whatever the problem,God is bigger than that.

Whatever the doubt,God can dissolve it.

We all might go through things of various reasons that we do not understand,but there is a solution.

Some people cannot understand how God can be love when they go through problems of various reasons,for if God is love why this,why that,but it does not matter what happens,what problems,physical ailments,mental ailments,what doubts,natural disasters wrecking havoc,wars of massive proportions,drug abuse,old ladies freezing in the winter,old men suffering heat stroke in the summer,this problem,that problem,this suffering,that suffering,whatever happens does not matter in the sense that we can always cry out to God,and the physical does not matter,but the spiritual.

Which means whatever the issues,we can turn to God and it will be alright,if we truly trust Him,for that is what matters.The physical world with all its problems cannot prevent people from crying out to God,so there is no excuse why they did not cry out to God,and come to God,and there is no excuse if God is love,why this,and why that,because the physical world does not matter,the problems,and abuse,and doubts,because we all have the ability to come to God,and it is alright.

Your problem is not the worse problem,for I believe it is the physical abuse of people,and the suffering physically,and mentally,mainly children,that can cause people to say,if God is love,why this.Your transgender problem does not even cause me to think,if God is love why this,for it is not even a problem to consider thinking,if God is love,why this.Marriages breaking up,people losing their jobs,car broke down,I broke my foot,my football became deflated,or any other thing like that would cause me to think,if God is love,why this,for things run their natural course,and things happen we do not like.

It is the physical,and mental suffering of people,that might cause me to think,if God is love,why this,as well as the a lot of people of the world would say,if God is love,why this,and you may be struggling with transgender,but it does not cause me to think if God is love,why this.

But even though people suffer physically,and mentally,by way of abuse,and natural disasters,I still will not say,if God is love,why this,for we all might suffer from physical,and mental ailments,whether abuse,or not,but God is still there,and we can still turn to Him.

That part is still kind of hard to understand,and come up with an answer why it happens if God is love,but it must be that God's kingdom is spiritual,physical,and mental,suffering is only temporary,and not a permanent thing,and we can cry out to God who can correct that suffering,and cause it to cease,which nothing that happens negative on earth,can stop us from crying out to God,the only thing that matters,and we do not get it like the garden of Eden,because of our sin problem,and as time goes on the sin problem of the world gets worse,which might be why the increase in natural disasters.

Some things can be kind of hard to give an answer,but transgender is a simple problem,compared to what some people on this earth go through,and a lot of them do not say,if God is love,why this,and Paul suffered a great deal for the kingdom of God,and did not say,if God is love,why this,for Paul knew the outer person going through problems is not what matters in the long run,and only temporary,and can cease,and everybody can cry out to God regardless of this,and that.

After thinking about it,they say both men and women have both testosterone,and estrogen,and that a male that has a high level of testosterone will be more aggressive than men who do not,so a male could have lower testosterone,making them more mellow,feel mellow,and not aggressive on average as most males.

But that is no excuse to think about being a female,or having doubts about you being transgender over a feeling,for you have to accept you are a mellow male,for if you have all the body parts of a male,you are a male,despite how you feel,and God is not going to overlook your mellowness,because you feel kind of feminine,that is they way it is,not all men have the same amount of aggressiveness about them,and also a temptation is a temptation,even homosexuality.

Stay a Christian,do not blame God,do not say,if God is love,why this,and marry a really aggressive woman,and let her wear the pants in the family,to balance it out,and all will be well,but kidding about the marriage part.

God does not look at homosexuality as love,but lust,and when a man and a woman are married,they are one flesh,but when a male and male have sex God sees two people,not one flesh,the same as a male and female not married,God sees two people,not one flesh.

If you do not feel aggressive as males on average,it is no excuse for being homosexual,and a temptation is a temptation,and you can put yourself in a mental state to think about I am transgender,if you keep thinking about,boosting it up mentally,adding to it because you will not let off it.

If you let it go,and accept you are not so aggressive of a male,and stop thinking I am transgender,it would not be so boosted in your mind to believe that.

People thinking I am transgender is no excuse,for God does not accept it,because they have lower testosterone than the average male,so they are not so aggressive,and then think am I female,for under that circumstance,you are not transgender.

I might not be relaying to the full knowledge of it,or understanding,but that is the way I see it.I believe it is only lower testosterone than the average male,making them not as aggressive as the normal male,so they tend to have more sensitive ways about them,and then doubt their gender because of it.
 
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yes because god so loved the world
 
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So I am dealing with some major problems. First off my view of God is becoming more and more negative because of one major issue that I do not understand. If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT. Let me explain what has brought me to this point. So for several years I have been struggling with who i am as a person. I do not believe I'm good enough, never felt as though I measured up. Also along with this I've been dealing with issues relating to my gender. I've never been a normal boy and for several years have struggled with my gender. I try very hard to drown it out by gaming (we are talking obsessively). However recently I can no longer push it aside and I feel alot of times that I want to be female. However according to what I was taught transgenders go to hell. How can God be loving if

#1 He condemns people for a tendency which they can only partially help

#2 He gives someone something this hard to deal with, something that makes people even suicide over it. How come we must deal with arguably one of the worst issues. God is supposed to be a just God, why then did He allow this to happen to us. Why were we the "special" ones.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I've talked with her and she has never been attracted to boys. I do not believe any more that being gay/lesbian/trans is fully a choice. It may be an ultimate choice in the final decision but the tendency and feelings are in no way a choice.

So my question is how can God be looked at as merciful and loving if He condemns people like this. Also I'm sorry but Christians completely downplay this whole issue. I firmly believe until you have gone through this same problem you do not fully understand the amount of pain, stress, guilt, tension and war that goes on inside us every day. They say "oh it's a choice it can be helped" "just ask for forgiveness". Are you kidding me?! What kind of advice is that for someone who has cut over this issue (yes I've cut a few times over this). I mean comon it's easy for you to say, but if you were me you would see it in a different light. Please you need to understand this is a MAJOR problem, not something made up or something easily fixed.

I'm sorry if any of this is a bit controversial. Please all I ask is that everyone try to be nice and understanding in the comments. I'm worried I'm at a crossroads and one of three scenarios will play out.

#1 I will accept myself as a guy and stay a Christian

#2 I will accept myself as trans and stay a Christian and find love from God even though I'm different.

#3 I will accept myself as trans and reject God because of His condemnation of those like me.

Please I really need some help here I'm scared and this whole thing is making me really emotional. I do not know how much longer I can deal with this.
Hi,

I would like to share you a few things.
In my life I 've struggled with an huge identity problem. From the age of 8 (yeah eight) I was obsessed by feminine things.
During my youth I spent huge amount of time thinking and fantasize about how it was if I was a girl, in stead of the boy I was. When I was alone, I used to wear my moms cloths. Later I bought some stuff for myself.
I fantasize that I was a girl, but even my genitals were feminine in my fantasy. And as the girl I wanted sex with a man.
I was obsessed by girly things, I also got addicted to the feelings of lust. So pornography become a big part of my life.

Well, I think I can say that I had a little problem in my life. Actually I had a HUGE problem in my life.
It will differ from your story, but I hope that you will find some common things.

I 've studied a lot of materials around these themes. Things have been becoming very clear to me.
When I finally found Jesus I was not angry like you (because I never knew Him). I was totally in love. I was amazed about His love for me. I finally found what I've missed in my life so very much. This love I found, is so incredible rich and worth, I cannot explain that. With the love, I received also the light, because Jesus is Love, but He is also light.
And the light shone in my darkness and immediately I saw the fight I had to fight. and I knew: I have no choice than to learn to fight the good fight with Him.

Okay what does this has to do with LBGT themes? Except that I was involved in the B, G and T?
In Christ I found my true identity. The lack of identity in my life causes the problems I had.
If you don't know who you really are, you are acting out things, behave yourself to that self-image - who you are not!
My father never ever corroborate me as a BOY. So my identity figure was my mom.
As a child I must have thought: I don't want to be as my father, want to be like my mom. And then acting out as a result of that wish.
With the coming of Christ in my life, I've got a total new identity figure. In Christ I found myself. And in Christ alone.
The Holy Spirit has walked for a long time next to me, learning me a lot about how things works.
Learned me a lot about rejection, fear, attachment problems to mom and dad, unsafety, and what was the result of that in my life.
O boy, there was a lot, a HUGE amount of pain in my heart. But the Lord was very patient to me. Step by step He let me cry and shout out that inner pain. And every time that happened, my heart was cured and healed a bit more.
It has been a long way for me, but who cares? I am free and what is 10 years upon eternity?

But I have to watch out. Sometimes I just can crave for a manhood to have sex with. But immediately the Holy Spirit convinces me about good and evil. That's my battle. Becoming free is one thing. To stay free is another thing for me.

If I maybe give you a well-meaned advise:
Don't be ashamed before God. God wants to be your Daddy, so tell Him everything you think, everything you feel.
Tell Him about your feelings wanting to be or act like a girl. Tell Him about yourself. A father wants to know his childs.
And so does the Lord, because He is your Father above all. Tell Him what you really really want. What your thoughts are about the clothes you want to wear, makeup maybe and how you should feel. Tell Him how this started in your life.
Just be honest to Him. He will not condemn you. He will not reject you. He will not shout to you that you are doing wrong things. Oh He will love you in the first place. He wants a relationship with you.
And while you are telling your story and sharing your reel feelings with Him, don't be surprised if He starts talking back to you.

Be careful with people, especially "christians". They listen very quickly and then they comes up with some bible texts very quickly to show you the path. The only one you have to deal with is God. And I would add here:
You have to deal with the God who He really is, not the God that people had try to show to you.

Feel free to react or tell more about yourself. I am willing to listen and thinking with you. In the meanwhile, please think about what I am sharing with you.
For now it's enough. The post would be too long :)
 
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Thank you for your advice :). You seem to really care and understand what I'm dealing with and I appreciate it very much. I have begun to read my Bible more but I am planning on meeting with a Christian counselor soon about all this I'm just very scared
Hey man, amongst all the other advice here, try getting your focus of your gender identity issue. Now i'm not saying ignore it, or neither am I downplaying it because I'm preaching to myself here about things I don't like about myself but get your focus on HIM. Get to know Jesus, and not with the weight of guilt or shame but with boldness as we are told we can do!
As we get to know Him, we will understand Him better, we will no longer lean on our own understanding but on His and we will see clearly and you will know who He has made you to be, you will know the truth!
Does it take time? YES, Does it require patience? YES, long suffering and difficulty? YES! But God is good and as we persevere, we will see and it's so worth it!
Thank you for the courage of sharing with us, you've done a good thing and don't be ashamed for your questions either.
 

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If God is really a loving God why does He condemn homosexuals and everyone in the LGBT.
He doesn't ... They have access to the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ the same as any other sinner has.. A thief.. and adulterer a murderer are all the same as homosexuals and others in the LGBT zones.. But Just as a thief must acknowledge that theft is a sin and that they have sinned against God and are in need of the atonement of the LORD Jesus Chirst so do all homosexuals for their homosexual lusting and their sexual acts.. The same goes for lesbians.. Cross dressers must acknowledge their cross dressing is a sin and likewise believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for the forgiveness of their sins..

All sinners.. That included all people on planet earth,,, Must do the same if they wish to be forgiven and have their sins atoned for...

So many people seem to not understand the Way of salvation by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. They are trapped in their Works salvation mindset.. So when it comes to a sin they cannot shake from their minds they lose all hope.. Because their hope is not placed in the righteousness of Jesus and what He did to save them..

Their hope is placed in their own righteousness and their ability to rid themselves of sin.. That's the way that leads to death..