Im different.

[unstained]

Hello and i can relate to this topic and the painful decision to live outside of Gods will,
I believe that since we made of Jesus our Saviour, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Since we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, our body belongs to God. Same sex attraction is from flesh and flesh's works grieve God and are called sin.. and is opposite to the spirit walk. I think that to gain victory you need only those 3 requirements: You need to realize it's a sin and that it grieves God, if you don't realize this completely in the doubt you'll always accept the compromise. The second requirement is a strong will to live like God wants. And trust me he wants us to live following his will because it's really the best for us!. The third is believing that with God everything is possible and that he already paid on the cross so that we could be free. My advice is to surrender to God and tell Him what you believe about yourself and ask if it lines up to His Word, always remember that everything is possible for Him, so rely on Him and pray.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Enjot this day in His presence

 

[jimmydiggs]

so priest abusing kids is morally ok its not wrong hey maybe if they werent priests they wouldnt abuse kids

Be careful when it comes to making moral condemnations sir. Your own world view rejects the existance of moral facts.

 

[wolfywolfs]

Be careful when it comes to making moral condemnations sir. Your own world view rejects the existance of moral facts.

and when have i told you my world view. also are you saying non belivers dont belive in helping others caring or be nice

 

[The-Prodical-Son]

and when have i told you my world view. also are you saying non belivers dont belive in helping others caring or be nice

He's not saying that but have you ever thought. It's not just priests that abuse kids. And not all priests abuse kids so being stereotypical isn't an advisable thing to do. The reason priests are meant to abuse kids is because it is publicized a lot more than if a randomer abused a kid. Why? Because they're a priests and automatically they shouldn't have those sick temptations yet some randomer can because he isn't a priest. Remember priests are still men too, it's sick and wrong and shouldn't happen but it does. But it doesn't mean to say our morals are worse than yours, and it doesn't mean that your morals are worse than ours

 

[Adrianv125]

Sorry to ruin your party but HERE YOU GO!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New King James Version)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Yeah, angel don't listen to layliecalmmind. Listen to God's word. Clearly if you practice homosexuality (or any sin for that matter) you will not see the father. Don't fool yourself. God is Holy and just, not just loving. He loved us on His cross to JUSTIFY us and to make us HOLY in His sight, not so we would go around and do whatever we wanted. His law is crystal clear.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Sorry to ruin your party but HERE YOU GO!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New King James Version)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Only the New King James version says homosexuals in that verse. The King James version says "the effeminate" and the New International Version says "the sexually immoral" so we really don't know if it was talking about homosexuals specifically or not, anymore than we know that it was talking about effeminate men. Let's look at the definition for effeminate... -adjective : (of a man or boy) having traits, tastes, habits, etc., traditionally considered feminine, as softness or delicacy... What's next, are we going to say that men who have soft or delicate traits can't go to heaven and will instead be tortured forever?

Yeah, angel don't listen to layliecalmmind. Listen to God's word. Clearly if you practice homosexuality (or any sin for that matter) you will not see the father.

I strongly believe that homosexuality is not a sin, but just for this response let's assume it is... Why won't homosexuals inherit the kingdom of god? Why won't they go to heaven? According to Christianity you're forgiven of your sins and you'll be welcomed into heaven, so long as you believe that Jesus was the son of god and sacrificed his life for you, and you ask him to be your savior. This is basic Christian doctrine, why are you saying that this girl is going to go to hell when she loves and accepts Jesus as her savior? Every Christian, even after being saved, still sins, it's unavoidable because no one is perfect. Have you told any lies since you got saved? Are you probably going to tell more before you die? I think the answer to both of those questions is yes, but why does a saved homosexual Christian go to hell while you go to heaven?

I'm very sorry, I don't normally want to argue with anyone, but this... I'm not going to allow anyone to make, or help make this girl believe that she's going to be tortured for all of eternity because of the way she is, when it doesn't hurt anyone else. That's what you're telling her, you're telling her she's going to hell. She's a Christian just like you, you read what she wrote, she loves and believes in Jesus, how can anyone here say that she's going to hell?

Please think of all the children who don't have Angel's strength/good fortune, who are drowning in misery and self-loathing, alone, with everyone around them shouting at them to change who they love and that their love is evil, when there's nothing they can do. Think about all the gay teenagers who've committed suicide in the past year. I hope you can avoid tears, because I can't.

 

[scott102183]

i think yall are walking into a grey area , I caution you to tred softly

 

[scott102183]

adrian you showed the verse that says people that have idols wont inherit the kingdome of God, well I hate to be be the one to tell you but everyone has idols even if they dont realize it. If you think you don't your just decieving yourself

 

[wolfywolfs]

He's not saying that but have you ever thought. It's not just priests that abuse kids. And not all priests abuse kids so being stereotypical isn't an advisable thing to do. The reason priests are meant to abuse kids is because it is publicized a lot more than if a randomer abused a kid. Why? Because they're a priests and automatically they shouldn't have those sick temptations yet some randomer can because he isn't a priest. Remember priests are still men too, it's sick and wrong and shouldn't happen but it does. But it doesn't mean to say our morals are worse than yours, and it doesn't mean that your morals are worse than ours

the reason i started it was because you started the sterotypical christian are all good then you agree with me which is fine im happy with that these words are more for the other guy and jimmy. im well aware thar just because your a priest doesnt mean you abuse children automatically i was just merly using an example as to why "all christians are good" is a false statement

 

[The-Prodical-Son]

the reason i started it was because you started the sterotypical christian are all good then you agree with me which is fine im happy with that these words are more for the other guy and jimmy. im well aware thar just because your a priest doesnt mean you abuse children automatically i was just merly using an example as to why "all christians are good" is a false statement

I'm afraid you got it wrong there mate. I wasn't stereotyping, i was saying that once you become a Christian you should... actually i see what you mean but i was trying to relate it to myself and set an example. I didn't mean to stereotype

 

[Adrianv125]

Layliecalmmind the answer is in that same verse. If you PRACTICE any sin at all then the true message of the Gospel didn't really go through your head correctly. Because it is SIN that nailed Christ to the cross, why would you practice any of those sins? Notice I said practice. There will be times when you fall, and the Holy Spirit will convict you and He will forgive you and give you strength to not do whatever it was again, but if that sin is something you willingly do everyday, even lying then you have not really repented and don't understand the Gospel.

1 John 1:5-6
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

1 John 3:8-9
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

These scriptures can't be any clearer.
And if you are truly a son of God, and the Holy Spirit truly dwells in you He will manifest in you fruit that is pleasing to Him.

James 3:11-12 (New King James Version)
Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh

So if the Holy Spirit is really in you, these sins shouldn't come out of you. And obviously these scriptures back it up so you can't argue it.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[a] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who PRACTICE them.

You can't argue homosexuality isn't a sin anymore, sorry


John 14:21 (New King James Version)

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

 

[Adrianv125]

hahaha scott I have no idols brother I don't know where you get that from. I love God with all my heart, I have committed the rest of my life to the will of God, God has awakened a zeal in me for His word, I have seen God's hand at work in my life supernaturally, I am serving God. In these things i see and nobody else sees any idols in my life, sorry. The Lord is my God and before Him is no other.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

That's weird then Adrian, because I would hear when I used to go to church all the time, and when I've been chatting here, or reading here, that many MANY Christian men regularly practice what are called sexual sins such as pornography/lust. The same men who have been following Jesus all their life, and praying frequently. The same men have been dedicating their time and money to helping the poor, into doing the work they feel their god has called them to do. But does the fact that they regularly practice these sexual sins mean they are all not Christians? Because if they were Christians then they would have changed their ways, right? Does this mean that they're going to burn in hell for all of eternity? Well no, of course it absolutely does not. We all do wrong frequently and regularly, Christians like you and non-Christians like me alike. We're all going to "practice sin" until the day we die, but you're claiming that if the particular sin someone is practicing is homosexuality (something they can't even help) that they can't be Christians? That they're going to be tortured in hell forever?

What would you say to the gay pastors, the gay missionaries, who have been dedicating their entire lives to god? Would you tell them they are not Christians too? The Bible can be interpreted many different ways and it has a lot of passages that seem to go against each other. Why can't I argue that it's not a sin in the Biblical sense? It's a grey area, there is no black and white answer. Many people think the Bible says it's sin, even in the modern world, to practice homosexuality, many people think the Bible says that it's not, many people do not know either way. So let's just pretend you're right for a moment... The homosexual Christians don't know that, they honestly believe that what they're doing is OK, but they also honestly believe that Jesus is their savior and they love him, are they fake Christians and going to hell? Once again I don't think you're even slightly right, I'm just saying that even if you are correct about the Bible being 100% against homosexuality in the modern world, homosexuals can still be Christians and they're still going to heaven.

Certain people will brush your words off because they know Jesus wouldn't do that, and that you can't decide who goes to hell and who doesn't, or because they simply don't believe in hell anyways. But some people will be deeply hurt and disturbed by your words, mostly the people who keep hearing them from everyone, their families and communities and churches all say the same thing to them. They'll believe that the homosexuality is evil and in order to get into heaven, they have to change it. When it turns out they can't change it they feel miserable and begin to think they're just horrible people who don't deserve anyone's love, not even god's. This is one of the big reasons why no one should teach that homosexuality is evil.

Stop telling people they're going to hell, that's not your call. Especially when in this (angel's) case, they're a Jesus loving/believing/saved Christian. You're hurting people, please stop.

 

[Adrianv125]

I do not say any of this. The bible says it so, don't be angry at me, be angry at the word of God which is true, holy, and inerrant.

Romans 1:26-32
For this reason GOD gave them up to vile passions. For even their women EXCHANGED THE NATURAL USE for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, BURNED WITH LUST FOR ONE ANOTHER, MEN WITH MEN(AKA HOMOSEXUALITY) committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[a] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are DESERVING OF DEATH(AKA hell), not only do the same but also APPROVE of those who PRACTICE them.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

I'm not angry at you Adrian, I'm just very concerned for the emotional and even physical well being of those who I know can be victimized by some of the things you've said... I was just hoping I could connect with you and possibly change your mind about one of the fine details of this particular issue.

But this discussion is clearly over, as what I'm saying isn't actually being responded to, and I'm just getting more quotes for which I've already provided an explanation as to why they don't prove your point, which means there's no use for even trying anymore... I hold no ill will towards you Adrian, no anger. I wish you the best of luck, really.

 

[Crypto]

Homosexuality is a sin God hates, but thankfully one can be delivered from it by the grace of God..

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Crypto]

Stop telling people they're going to hell, that's not your call. Especially when in this (angel's) case, they're a Jesus loving/believing/saved Christian. You're hurting people, please stop.

I really don't think he was saying anything hurtful, he was simply stating what God has said.

 

[Crypto]

Only the New King James version says homosexuals in that verse. The King James version says "the effeminate" and the New International Version says "the sexually immoral" so we really don't know if it was talking about homosexuals specifically or not, anymore than we know that it was talking about effeminate men. Let's look at the definition for effeminate... -adjective : (of a man or boy) having traits, tastes, habits, etc., traditionally considered feminine, as softness or delicacy... What's next, are we going to say that men who have soft or delicate traits can't go to heaven and will instead be tortured forever?

The term sodomite which also means homosexual is used in that verse as well, this is what the KJV says and then followed by the Greek.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

G733
ἀρσενοκοίτης
arsenokoitēs
ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace
From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

So even if effeminate doesn't mean homosexual, the following phrase does.

 

[Brandon777]

Please check this out if you want to see my view and reason for being born gay. Can a person be born gay?

and this out for Scripture that says things on being gay What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?

 

[Crypto]

Please check this out if you want to see my view and reason for being born gay. Can a person be born gay?

and this out for Scripture that says things on being gay What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?

I would say a person may have a higher likelihood of being a slave to a certain sin (such as alcohol or homosexuality for example) but that doesn't mean a person has to be a slave to it. For example, I came from a long line of alcoholics. Basically everyone in my family before me was an alcoholic. I struggled with alcohol in my teen years. So maybe there was something that predisposed me, I don't know, I have heard people say that I was including a psychologist when I was in high school. But regardless of that, I chose to have that drink and then have another and another. We all have temptations, but it's the giving in that is the sin. So a person can choose to not give in to the temptation, whether it be drinking or drugs or homosexuality. So even if a person was born with the predisposition to homosexuality it isn't a loophole to do it, nor does it mean God made them that way, it's just proof we are indeed dead in trespasses and sin.