Masturbation - fine, porn - bad

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zackabba

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Well are u saying that if you're commit a sin to avoid something else, it changes the fact that the sin is a sin?

So if i lie to save somebody's life, does it change the fact that lying is a sin?. And God will understand because i'm using lying to avoid something bad?

Masturbation is bad, simple!. Irrespective of the motive or what you use it as a medium to prevent!
Amen, very true!
 
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zerovalor

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so i pose a question to u all. the main focus here it seems is masturbation in lust. is masturbation still sinful if not done in lust? i.e to relieve ones stress or get rid of an erection? and not fantasizing or lusting while masturbating?
 
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zackabba

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so i pose a question to u all. the main focus here it seems is masturbation in lust. is masturbation still sinful if not done in lust? i.e to relieve ones stress or get rid of an erection? and not fantasizing or lusting while masturbating?
If you can masturbate without any sort of fantasy coming into your head, then you must be perfect.

Masturbation only gratifies ourselves. It does nothing to advance the Gospel, does it?

To relieve stress, you pray to God and look to Him in everything.

To get rid of an erection, you pray to God to take it away (if it's for something impure).



Grace and Love
 
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Tobby17

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Man o Man, there is a reason for Sex...
 
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babarainbowsheep

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The thing is love and lust.....
I will to strive for love not lust.
Sexual lovemaking (emphasis on love)
One can make love in many ways in spirit, in nature....without it being sexual as such.

Ive been bad with my sex in the past but it has its reasons...God knows and understands this and I stand for where I have wronged and will to change and improve.
It went against my will and true self.
Sometimes it was not my sin but said it was my sin when I was a victim to someone elses sin but got made it was my sin when so is not the truth.

But like Jesus saw Maria Magdalena with love...
If one watches pornografi can one view it with love, humour and in other perspectives or its it always disrespectful, lusty....

Masturbation.I would be more for spiritual love making with partner without touch (like a tantra or what they call it).

Lust can be used so destruktively and cause so much damage and harm.
I know someone who subjected to its damage and hurt.
Some use it to get what they want, to conciously hurt someone as long as they feel good who cares....

I like to keep a open mind to different circumstances reasons etc but Im personally not into porno or masturbation.
Ive tried them both and it never gave me anything good, only bad.
Except for muscle release so could go to sleep :)

I am for love
and being very careful and beware of lust
I cant emphsasis or explain how truly damaging it can be
I have experienced it and know others who have also , experienced the hurt, destruktion and damage it brings
and many are victims to it without true concent.

One woman I know was molested as child and then kindof got raped in a way because she said no but they just had sex with her anyway.She had a very destruktive sexlife (which is common amoung those with such experiences) There was no love in her sexlife and she did not want it.She was used and a easy target.Other things also but wont write it here.She is a christian woman.
She now has a loving husband and he with God helped her heal and make a real sexual lovelife she had never experienced this before.
"like a virgin" Madonna :)
He loves her truly, deeply and she has changed for the better and is a good loyal true wife to him and he tought her what real love making and a love she never knew but with him and God.



Apolagies if my writings are wierd
 
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babarainbowsheep

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Another woman I know was held down in spirit and being and made to sex by woman actually with man which she was very upset about but was "trapped".Bit like a sexslave...as she did not will it.


She wanted to give thanks and praise to another woman, true sister who came along after this and helped her away from these people and also helped her sexually in confessions, conversations, support, understanding and showed her love.
The difference between these woman first woman and second who helped her is as it is........

She told me most woman had been bad to her and to meet true sisters was priceless and made her cry.
Now she has many sisters as she calls it, good quality friends woman and male.


I wish us all beautiful, loving sexual love lives and all it should could be which is more than masturbation or pornography could come close to.
Loving wishes for us.
 

jandian

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Self pleasuring is good......thus sayeth the Lord????
 
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zackabba

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Self pleasuring is good......thus sayeth the Lord????
The Lord says this: Do not be pleasure-seeking, but instead be content with Me, I who live in your body. For I will never leave you, nor will I forsake you.
 

jandian

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The Lord says this: Do not be pleasure-seeking, but instead be content with Me, I who live in your body. For I will never leave you, nor will I forsake you.
Praise the Lord!
 
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Strider

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well if you read what Paul says in Romans, describing marriage as a "means of controlling lust" it's therefore inferred that lust is an ongoing issue that we all deal with. I get the view from some of you that you're inferring sex/sexual desires are bad. And outside of marriage of course they are, but physical attraction is a part of being attracted to someone (initially anyways)
 
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Yes God does exsist and gave us "freewill",which is a man made theory taken outta context and outta control. That's why people think they can do whatever they want. But if we have freewill, then why did God specifically say to adam and eve..DO NOT EAT OF THAT TREE! He didn't say you have a choice. He said NO, DON'T.

As far as masterbation, I learned it's wrong, and if you hand causes you to sin, cut it off and set to fire.

And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into "hell". Matthew 5:30

As far as pornography, that stuff is extremely unruly in society. That stuff causes lust, molestation of children{which I'm witness to and suffered from},broken marriages,rape, and it's adultery and also considered as prostitution! And is bound to cause a person to lust in a perverse disgusting manner to either masterbate, and/or rape someone. To cheat on your spouse is not just physical aspect but of mind as well which is worse because whatever is kept in the dark, will come to light. All in all, pornography is an abomination to the Lord God!
 

jandian

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well if you read what Paul says in Romans, describing marriage as a "means of controlling lust" it's therefore inferred that lust is an ongoing issue that we all deal with. I get the view from some of you that you're inferring sex/sexual desires are bad. And outside of marriage of course they are, but physical attraction is a part of being attracted to someone (initially anyways)
sexual passions is not bad; not controlling it is.... Self pleasuring is not a form of control....
 
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gvs1032

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Amen. To me I view it as a sin because.. well..

Yes I have been masturbating a while ago, but thank God for he has set me free from that!

My experience with it was that it always got me tired, made my energy plummet, and apart from that it made me want to do it again and again because of how it stimulates dopamine release in your brain, similar to getting a high off certain types of drugs, I am here to tell you that it isn't comftorable, and I, myself was able to overcome this only with the help of God.

I am very certain it modulates my sexual desire because it made me feel like wanting to do it again and again.

But I have to tell you I would much rather prefer wet dreams than get that horrible feeling after masturbation and masturbation is pleasing yourself, I am sure that is fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and perverting gods gift of having sex with the opposite of your sex in marriage, I am guilty of doing such that is why I am not going to condemn anybody here for masturbating, with God Anything is possible!
 
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imperfection

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Ok, so reading through this thread made me really really really upset.

How can people that claim to be christian, even think that masturbation is ok? I'm not gonna bring scriptures or anything else, but seek in the Spirit and pray to God, and HE will 100% tell you that it is wrong.

Masturbation is normal and healthy? So what is the difference between us christians and non-christians? We do what they do, just because some guys that studied the human body say that it is normal? Psychologist talk about 72 hours where a lot of hormones are build up and you simply have to realease that. Tell me, you as a chrisitan, what do you think? Who made the human body?

If the bible says there shouldn't even be a HINT of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, don't you think that God provides a way to avoid SEXUAL IMMORALITY? The flesh gets in our way to be the people that God intented us to be, when He gave His Son for us.

People, wake up and stop lying to yourself! There isn't any excuse, any motive, any reason to think that masturbation is ok. Ask The Holy Spirit, fast and pray. Show your body, who the boss is.Don't go by: "it feels good". It is not the flesh that should dominate you, but Your born again Spirit in Christ Jesus.

God is good and He will show you the way

Love- Mimi-
 
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Nashah

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Ok, so reading through this thread made me really really really upset.

How can people that claim to be christian, even think that masturbation is ok? I'm not gonna bring scriptures or anything else, but seek in the Spirit and pray to God, and HE will 100% tell you that it is wrong.

Masturbation is normal and healthy? So what is the difference between us christians and non-christians? We do what they do, just because some guys that studied the human body say that it is normal? Psychologist talk about 72 hours where a lot of hormones are build up and you simply have to realease that. Tell me, you as a chrisitan, what do you think? Who made the human body?

If the bible says there shouldn't even be a HINT of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, don't you think that God provides a way to avoid SEXUAL IMMORALITY? The flesh gets in our way to be the people that God intented us to be, when He gave His Son for us.

People, wake up and stop lying to yourself! There isn't any excuse, any motive, any reason to think that masturbation is ok. Ask The Holy Spirit, fast and pray. Show your body, who the boss is.Don't go by: "it feels good". It is not the flesh that should dominate you, but Your born again Spirit in Christ Jesus.

God is good and He will show you the way

Love- Mimi-
Not defending them at all....

But it is not a big surprise to me. Though I have lost hope for a lot of "christianity" for the most part also :D

I don't care what people claim they are. I will judge what they are on their declarations and their actions.

There are mooooooooooooooooooore then plenty of scriptures that speak of how wicked people are. So yeah! Not a big surprise people would defend this o....o
 
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imperfection

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Not defending them at all....

But it is not a big surprise to me. Though I have lost hope for a lot of "christianity" for the most part also :D

I don't care what people claim they are. I will judge what they are on their declarations and their actions.

There are mooooooooooooooooooore then plenty of scriptures that speak of how wicked people are. So yeah! Not a big surprise people would defend this o....o


But this is so wrong. It makes me troubled. It makes me sad. And I can't understand why people seem to just pick up scriptures they like and close their eyes to those that imply you doing something that might not be comfortable for your flesh.
 
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Nashah

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But this is so wrong. It makes me troubled. It makes me sad. And I can't understand why people seem to just pick up scriptures they like and close their eyes to those that imply you doing something that might not be comfortable for your flesh.
I never said anything about it not being wrong.
Simply that I can understand why. Ecclesiastes depicts the mind of the natural man clearly. For them all is meaningless. It does not matter if anyone claims they are a Christian. It only matters if they have the connection with God. There is no difference between a "christian" and a unbeliever if there is no relationship with God.

I understand how you feel. I understand very well. Such things burdened me greatly a while back.
Have seen much worse sense then so it really does not phase me so much seeing the crazy stuff people say.
(not saying that's right about me either, still it is the truth)