200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball Videobook By Eric Dubay

[William86]

♥ love your attitude, BTW

well, that's an argument that the Israelites along with most of the people in the region had an incomplete understanding and view of the true topological nature of the earth & cosmos -- not that a strong argument for a flat earth can be made from scripture.
right?

That is correct.

unlike many pagan religions, the Bible itself doesn't present any kind of detailed description of the shape of the earth & the heavens. there are no scriptures describing it resting on atlas's shoulders or the back of a turtle, for example -- and it is well known from scripture that Israel prostituted itself to the gods of the surrounding peoples, mixing worship of God with the Baals, Ashtorehs, Molech and others -- and adopting their astrologies, beliefs and practices, being led astray by them into false beliefs and abominable practices. all this is during the time of the writing of much of the scripture. so talking about historical Jewish views of cosmology doesn't in any way necessarily correspond to a "correct" view of the universe's design; rather, it is very probable that their views historically are wrong, being highly influenced by the pagan nations around them and their idolatrous religions.
it would be like saying, the Jews are the people of God, OK, and we find pottery dating back to some Biblical eras in Israel that has inscriptions about Ashtoreh and Baal, so we conclude that the God of the Bible had a goddess wife Ashtoreh, and that He and Baal are the same God. well that's obviously baloney -- it's ignoring what the Bible actually says about Jewish history and about God Himself.
make sense?

I completely agree, that is essentially how I see it as well.

so we have that the Bible doesn't support a flat earth view -- it is relatively completely silent on cosmology other than consistently referring to God "stretching out" the universe, and that He alone is the creator, & that He created it by His word.
and we have that historical Jewish views of cosmology are highly influenced by the pagan cultures around them -- not necessarily in any way reflecting knowledge from the One true God, whom the Biblical record says they rejected for much of their history.

i think we're still stuck at:

• the Bible doesn't actually teach flat earth.
• Jewish historical cosmology is basically pseudo-pagan cosmology.
• sphericals premise is nuts, unsupportable, unconvincing, and totally contradicted by all known science and observational evidence.

I'd agree completely with all of that. I'd also like to say that to me it is the differences between Jewish and pagan cosmology that are particularly interesting rather than their similarities. Even though you can see the influence of Babylonian, Sumerian and Canaanite religion in some of the Jewish scriptures (and even archaeological findings as you rightly pointed out), especially in some of their earliest traditions when these ideas were still widespread in their society, they nonetheless represent a significant departure and the beginnings of something very different and contrary to these earlier religions.

 

[downtime]

You can send a camera up on a weather balloon and view the curvature of the Earth for yoursef.

 

[Spherical]

You can send a camera up on a weather balloon and view the curvature of the Earth for yoursef.

No you can't

 

[MsSuzanna]

You can send a camera up on a weather balloon and view the curvature of the Earth for yoursef.

He doesnt have time. He is on the web all day and on this site posting ridiculous OP.

 

[downtime]

No you can't

Except you can.
Homemade space balloon captures images above the Scottish highlands | Daily Mail Online

 

[Spherical]

You can send a camera up on a weather balloon and view the curvature of the Earth for yoursef.

[video=youtube;pnzUgKZ8m2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2k[/video]

 

[Spherical]

[video=youtube;WQITXbcz2hg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg[/video]

 

[Spherical]

[video=youtube;eiIuq8-vhDQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIuq8-vhDQ[/video]

 

[downtime]

So, like, are you unable to see the plainly obvious curvature even in the videos you posted, or are you just reading captions?

 

[Spherical]

[video=youtube;7AQUIzvcK6k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AQUIzvcK6k[/video]

 

[downtime]

Certainly answers my question

 

[Spherical]

Certainly answers my question

Thanks. Now that you clearly see from the above videos that the earth is flat you should sleep very well tonight.

 

[downtime]

Thanks. Now that you clearly see from the above videos that the earth is flat you should sleep very well tonight.

I don't see how anyone can view your evidence and arrive to the conclusion that earth is flat. You'd better stay up tonight to reach for more straws.

 

[William86]

Spherical have you come to any conclusion yet on the issue of throwing a ball in the air while traveling by plane? I would think in your system of physics distributing packages of peanuts to passengers would be a horrifically dangerous idea because if anyone ever lost hold of one, those behind would be pelted with a spray of peanuts traveling at over 500 miles an hour.

 

[Spherical]

I don't see how anyone can view your evidence and arrive to the conclusion that earth is flat. You'd better stay up tonight to reach for more straws.

Watch the videos I posted and look long and with intensity at the flat earth horizon.

 

[Spherical]

Spherical have you come to any conclusion yet on the issue of throwing a ball in the air while traveling by plane? I would think in your system of physics distributing packages of peanuts to passengers would be a horrifically dangerous idea because if anyone ever lost hold of one, those behind would be pelted with a spray of peanuts traveling at over 500 miles an hour.

This is because the atmosphere isn't moving.

 

[downtime]

Watch the videos I posted and look long and with intensity at the flat earth horizon.

Its funny you mention the word horizon. How exactly does a boat appear to rise from the horizon?

 

[Spherical]

The perspective of the boat changes as it moves closer or further away from you.

 

[Spherical]

It is often possible to see the Chicago skyline from sea-level 60 miles away across Lake Michigan. In 2015 after photographer Joshua Nowicki photographed this phenomenon several news channels quickly claimed his picture to be a "superior mirage," an atmospheric anomaly caused by temperature inversion. While these certainly do occur, the skyline in question was facing right-side up and clearly seen unlike a hazy illusory mirage, and on a ball-Earth 25,000 miles in circumference should be 2,400 feet below the horizon.

 

[William86]

This is because the atmosphere isn't moving.

Well it is correct that the atmosphere inside the plane is not moving at 500 mph relative to the person or plane, from the person's perspective it is not moving. However the atmosphere is still traveling at 500 mph relative to the ground. How is this any different from air on a rotating sphere traveling along with the ground as it rotates? We certainly should not expect 1000 mph winds in this scenario, since that is merely the tangential velocity measured relative to the center of the earth.