ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
folks like you will be cheering on the mark of the beast, you will not even recognize it, you are bought into the world system....
Again I'm reading here CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, not Biblically based arguments.

First, the beast as described in Revelation 13 is a religious system. Interpretation of this isn't up to you. Read Revelation 17 where the Bible interprets itself. Rev 17 says the Beast is a system "of peoples and nations and tongues". It isn't a man. Horns coming out of the Beast represent a series of leaders - Popes. Thus the MARK of the Beast is twofold. The MARK on the head is symbolic of ALLEGIANCE to the religious system. It is a mental aberration opposed to the Word of God. The MARK on the hand or wrist is symbolic of ACTION or that which one DOES to support one's ALLEGIANCE. For the purposes of this argument the ACT is attending worship services on Sunday instead of Saturday as required by God's LAW. The ATTITUDE or ALLEGIANCE is the mental justification for doing so.

Read the Bible and study its words - as though you'd never heard it before.

OF COURSE Catholic doctrine would support Catholic laws and rules. Post-protestants are too gullible and too fixated on TRADITION to do otherwise (just like the Pharisees that persecuted Jesus).

The world system described by the Bible - the Beast - is a religious system, which I do NOT subscribe to at all.

If you choose to do so that's your affair. Claiming you are following God is only a lie you are telling yourself.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
ALL the first Christians were Jews. Christians should not hate Jews, but love them and pray for them. I begin to understand your obvious anger issues if you flagrantly have decided you will hate and conflate the Pope and Catholic edicts with scripture.

You are more than a little mixed up it would seem.

Not interested in a conversation with you; just pointing out the error in your conclusions. Also will ignore you so say what you want. The world seems to be full of false prophets and those who think they have a special unction from God to lambaste other Christians.
You should be interested. Anti-semitism is on the rise all around the world - even in America. Are you not aware of this trend?

Christians murdered more Jews throughout history than all other religious systems and governments COMBINED. There is an ocean of blood on the hands of gentile churches. But they deny it to this day. History proves it, but gentile Christians refuse the facts because they cannot grasp the horror of the guilt they bear.

Hate the Pope? He who opposes God deserves such disdain. Didn't you read the quotes I provided from the RCC itself? They have OPENLY ADMITTED their opposition to Bible oriented worship of God and even of God's Lordship. The Pope THEY SAY is god. How clear does it have to get, sir?

If the Bible says so and the RCC itself says so, then who are you? One of us is confused. I submit its the one who cannot and does not READ.

Post-Protestant church folk hate Jews, Jewish LAW and anything that smells of Jew. Primarily they hate Jewish LAW, that LAW God gave to Moses and that LAW by which no one can be saved apart from it. Instead, Post Protestants create their own law and offend the Holy Spirit as a result. It has already left most of the major American denominations. How much worse can it get? Plenty I would guess.

Please pay attention to what I'm writing and don't just blow it off. READ STUDY THINK Cogito ergo sum

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
People are somehow tempting God by refusing the so called vaccine (actual gene therapy and not a vaccine)?

God has provided a way for our salvation and China has provided a way to mess with the entire world.

Get a grip. Taking away freedom of choice is anything BUT Godly.

Calling people looney tunes because they have educated themselves and made a choice is hardly proof of your own sanity.

Whatever dude. :rolleyes:
Who's sanity is in question, sir?

God has provided a way out of the plague. Those that do not make good use of it are indeed exercising free will, but they do so to their own disadvantage and possible DEATH.

Consider the book of Exodus and the event described there as Passover (Pesach). God said DEATH plague would visit the land, but those that BY FAITH took advantage of the blood of lambs painted on their door posts and lintels would be spared. The choice was theirs - so also were the consequences of their choosing.

"Whatever dude" can get you killed today - dude. It can also kill your family and your neighbors. Are you willing to risk their lives because of your personal 'choice' - dude? I will NOT.

I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY NEIGHBOR'S DEATH.

Does not the second commandment of God say, "love your neighbor as yourself"? Did not Jesus say, "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you?"

Perhaps you refuse to acknowledge the wisdom of the Bible's LAW or the love of Jesus. That's you choice too, but I accept it. If that makes me looney tunes, then so be it. I prefer it to your worldly wisdom.

So go out and exercise your worldly wisdom. Bear in mind you can DIE from it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,270
6,639
113
Again I'm reading here CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, not Biblically based arguments.

First, the beast as described in Revelation 13 is a religious system. Interpretation of this isn't up to you. Read Revelation 17 where the Bible interprets itself. Rev 17 says the Beast is a system "of peoples and nations and tongues". It isn't a man. Horns coming out of the Beast represent a series of leaders - Popes. Thus the MARK of the Beast is twofold. The MARK on the head is symbolic of ALLEGIANCE to the religious system. It is a mental aberration opposed to the Word of God. The MARK on the hand or wrist is symbolic of ACTION or that which one DOES to support one's ALLEGIANCE. For the purposes of this argument the ACT is attending worship services on Sunday instead of Saturday as required by God's LAW. The ATTITUDE or ALLEGIANCE is the mental justification for doing so.

Read the Bible and study its words - as though you'd never heard it before.

OF COURSE Catholic doctrine would support Catholic laws and rules. Post-protestants are too gullible and too fixated on TRADITION to do otherwise (just like the Pharisees that persecuted Jesus).

The world system described by the Bible - the Beast - is a religious system, which I do NOT subscribe to at all.

If you choose to do so that's your affair. Claiming you are following God is only a lie you are telling yourself.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

actually, i do not disagree with this.

the beast system is a system. the man of sin will be the face of it.

which brings me back to the fact that you say this, and then turn around and push the vaccine, which is being used to condition people to the n w o system.

can't have it both ways. you cannot condemn the system and turn around and push the system.

but, you think modern Christ followers have to keep the jewish Sabbath, which was given the nation of Israel only by Moses. so your discernment is a bit lacking....
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
actually, i do not disagree with this.

the beast system is a system. the man of sin will be the face of it.

which brings me back to the fact that you say this, and then turn around and push the vaccine, which is being used to condition people to the n w o system.

can't have it both ways. you cannot condemn the system and turn around and push the system.

but, you think modern Christ followers have to keep the jewish Sabbath, which was given the nation of Israel only by Moses. so your discernment is a bit lacking....
Whether the vaccine is being used as some sort of goad to support a mythical political system is a different argument from someone dying of the disease in a hospital. It's apples and oranges, sir. A man struggling for his last breath isn't interested in politics. All he wants to do is breath.

I WILL NOT BE A PARTY TO HIS DEATH.

When there is a war, people are best served by helping one another regardless of the flag they wave. The present danger of disease may well be part of some global stress, a part of some weapon system, but on the street it affects our daily lives. One cannot live one's life in fear of something that cannot be grasped.

We go to the grocery store because we have to, not because it too is an extension of national financial manipulation. It very well may be, but we have to eat don't we? We go to the doctor because we need help, not because he too is an extension of national pharmaceutical manipulations. We are sick and we need to seek healing. That's it and that's all as far as needles in the arm is concerned.

I know people who have died. I know people who've gotten the disease. I know one who went into the hospital and came home again. I can not fight the disease by doing nothing about it. I fight it by taking the vaccine series and by performing all the cautions required. Make no mistake, I don't like it. I don't like it one damn bit, but I am required by my concern for others to do what I can to oppose the disease.

We can only fight that which is before us. Today that is COVID.

People are 'conditioned' by financial manipulation, by political rhetoric, by professionally prepared propaganda (Hollywood) and by threat from abroad real or imagined (ie: the domino theory of the Vietnam era, post 911 justification for global war, etc.). Are we being manipulated by this disease? Of course we are. is this manipulation part of some mysterious government plot? Possibly, but again there's nothing we can do to stop these manipulations.

One of the chief manipulations against us is IRS 501.c.3 code. This code muzzles pastors from speaking against what is determined to be government policy - political correctness. Pastors are forbidden, by threat of removal of tax exempt status, from speaking truth to power.

Nobody seems to be concerned about this MAJOR manipulation against us - against our right to speak freely and to freely hear truth.

Instead we argue childishly about getting a needle in the arm. Does this not tell us the mental condition of Christians today? I can't say they are stupid, just that they have a lot of bad luck when it comes to thinking.

We ARE being manipulated, sir. This manipulation is quiet and covert and robs us of our 1st amendment rights. Let us not be thrown off the rails because there's a fly speck on the track.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Seems like Americans have forgotten that once precious axiom. Today we are at odds with each other. Today we actually brutalize each other for speaking out. Divide and conquer is an ancient method of governmental manipulation of the masses. Are we not experiencing that today? It is very subtle and it has nothing to do with the COVID inoculation series.

Consider if you will that IF the immunization program was indeed government manipulation, would they not be more efficient when going about it? Instead we see confusion and negligence at every point. This isn't manipulation, it's typical government SNAFU.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,270
6,639
113
Whether the vaccine is being used as some sort of goad to support a mythical political system is a different argument from someone dying of the disease in a hospital. It's apples and oranges, sir. A man struggling for his last breath isn't interested in politics. All he wants to do is breath.

I WILL NOT BE A PARTY TO HIS DEATH.

When there is a war, people are best served by helping one another regardless of the flag they wave. The present danger of disease may well be part of some global stress, a part of some weapon system, but on the street it affects our daily lives. One cannot live one's life in fear of something that cannot be grasped.

We go to the grocery store because we have to, not because it too is an extension of national financial manipulation. It very well may be, but we have to eat don't we? We go to the doctor because we need help, not because he too is an extension of national pharmaceutical manipulations. We are sick and we need to seek healing. That's it and that's all as far as needles in the arm is concerned.

I know people who have died. I know people who've gotten the disease. I know one who went into the hospital and came home again. I can not fight the disease by doing nothing about it. I fight it by taking the vaccine series and by performing all the cautions required. Make no mistake, I don't like it. I don't like it one damn bit, but I am required by my concern for others to do what I can to oppose the disease.

We can only fight that which is before us. Today that is COVID.

People are 'conditioned' by financial manipulation, by political rhetoric, by professionally prepared propaganda (Hollywood) and by threat from abroad real or imagined (ie: the domino theory of the Vietnam era, post 911 justification for global war, etc.). Are we being manipulated by this disease? Of course we are. is this manipulation part of some mysterious government plot? Possibly, but again there's nothing we can do to stop these manipulations.

One of the chief manipulations against us is IRS 501.c.3 code. This code muzzles pastors from speaking against what is determined to be government policy - political correctness. Pastors are forbidden, by threat of removal of tax exempt status, from speaking truth to power.

Nobody seems to be concerned about this MAJOR manipulation against us - against our right to speak freely and to freely hear truth.

Instead we argue childishly about getting a needle in the arm. Does this not tell us the mental condition of Christians today? I can't say they are stupid, just that they have a lot of bad luck when it comes to thinking.

We ARE being manipulated, sir. This manipulation is quiet and covert and robs us of our 1st amendment rights. Let us not be thrown off the rails because there's a fly speck on the track.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Seems like Americans have forgotten that once precious axiom. Today we are at odds with each other. Today we actually brutalize each other for speaking out. Divide and conquer is an ancient method of governmental manipulation of the masses. Are we not experiencing that today? It is very subtle and it has nothing to do with the COVID inoculation series.

Consider if you will that IF the immunization program was indeed government manipulation, would they not be more efficient when going about it? Instead we see confusion and negligence at every point. This isn't manipulation, it's typical government SNAFU.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

thanks for all the mainstream ( fake) media propaganda, heard it, rejected it months ago.

let's look at the numbers, their own numbers, without all the emotional dribble.


as of now, the u.s. has reported 28, 381,220 cases of covid, out of 337,665 908 tests.

that is about a 92% rate of those tested do NOT have the virus,

out of the 28 million positives, 500.000 ( reported) deaths. 1 death is 1 to many, but you have to objectively and cold heartedly look at the numbers to form a unbiased view of the situation.

so, out of that, you get 98.5 % survival rate.

so. as far as your harming others by not taking a vac narrative ( fed to you by your t v) , the odds are very much against it.


you have bought into a lie that a disease where, again, their numbers, 92% of those tested Do NOT have it, and of those that do test positive, 98.,5% of them do not die, is soooo dangerous and deadly.

it is lie . buy your way out of it.
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
A vaccine isn't a mark so there's that
I'm glad someone is thinking here. thank you.

While a lot of people are focusing on the disease and the vaccine and the confused signals coming out of the CDC in Atlanta, few are taking a hard look at what is really going on.

We live in a fascist police state. I've argued that point before and will argue it again, but the point of the whole discussion isn't about eco-political definitions. It's about what corporate sponsored government is doing TO us.

Since 911, security has become a major industry in the US. Everybody is spying on us from Walmart to Washington. COVID comes along and the companies that manufacture security devices and government agencies that buy them eagerly grasp the possibility of yet another method of keeping track of the masses.

The danger I'm referring to isn't a jab in your arm that will protect you and your neighbor from a deadly disease. It isn't the face mask we're asked to wear and it isn't even social distancing. The danger is ON the cell phone in your pocket. The danger is it's cousins being perfected by the NFL and MLB.

Every cell phone now has a tracking app installed.

You didn't put it there and chances are you didn't ask for it, but its there. Go look.

The default condition is that the tracking app is switched off. We're told we can turn it on if we wish, but is it really off? Will it go away? Try to uninstall it and see what happens.

Our fascist government and the corporations that support it now have a ready made software installed on each of our phones to keep track of what we're doing and where we go when we do it. The only way to defeat the app is to turn the phone off. (Even then I'm not sure if it's really off.)

This past season NFL teams have 'experimented' with sophisticated tracking devices each player is REQUIRED to wear. There is a fine if they don't. Now that the 2020 season is over attention switches to MLB. Each of those team members is now required to wear the device, which looks like an apple watch. It's my understanding, gleaned from news sources, that the devices are VERY sophisticated with regard to their tracking software.

Bottom line is the reader should get their vaccine. You are playing dice with your health and your neighbor's life. It's amazing how many people who claim to be Christians DENY God's command to 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Do you really wish DEATH upon your neighbor? Actions speak louder than words and apparently you hate your neighbor's life as much as your own.

I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY NEIGHBOR'S DEATH.

Not even 2% if those are the odds. You are playing Russian roulette with your life here. Don't think you aren't.

Meanwhile, good Christians souls who can't see beyond their arms are neglecting a REAL danger to our liberty and privacy.

Big Brother is watching. What are we going to do about it? Are we going to continue whining (have some cheese with that whine)? Are we going to write a ton of letters to our elected representatives? What are we prepared to do?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
actually, i do not disagree with this.

the beast system is a system. the man of sin will be the face of it.

...

but, you think modern Christ followers have to keep the jewish Sabbath, which was given the nation of Israel only by Moses. so your discernment is a bit lacking....
Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? What is the 4th commandment? Do you know?

So ... you are declaring that Christians are exempt from such commandments as YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD YOUR GOD IN VAIN, etc?

According to your lopsided understanding of the LAW, I can murder you, rape your wife, steal your stuff, burn your house to the ground and blame YOU for the whole sad affair. My hands will be clean because YOU deny the LAW.

In your haste to argue COVID vaccine you have neglected the LAW. Jewish or not, God said Saturday was the day for worship and that it would be a sign between Him and those who worshipped Him. The Catholic Church has declared itself superior to God and claimed the authority to change laws and days and times. The vatican has declared the Pope TO BE GOD. These are the words of the Roman Catholic church, not mine. If you accuse, accuse rightly. I only echo God's word, the prophets and the RCC.

If you refuse this documented proof, that's your problem not mine.

Not for nothing is the church guilty of more WAR, more KILLING OF JEWS and more religious confusion than any other organization on the planet or in history. Good Christians absolutely REFUSE the lessons of history and the Word of God. In fact, most main line Christian denominations in America have already stripped the Bible of its authority and now claim its just another work of religious literature. Really? Is this what Christianity has become? If so, it does not follow the Bible. It doesn't follow Christ and it doesn't even follow common sense.

Argue something true and historic, but don't justify SIN by saying God has excused Christians from the LAW. He hasn't.

"I did not come to abolish the LAW. I came to fulfill it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

The LAW still stands. In fact, no one can be saved apart from it. (I can't wait for Christian Biblical illiteracy to kick in on this one.)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Church membership won't save anybody. It certainly isn't a get-out-of-jail free card enabling its holders to murder anyone who disagrees with their mistaken interpretations of the Bible, yet that is exactly the position the church has taken through much of its history. Google it and learn something.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
3

3angelsmsg

Guest
Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? What is the 4th commandment? Do you know?

So ... you are declaring that Christians are exempt from such commandments as YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD YOUR GOD IN VAIN, etc?

According to your lopsided understanding of the LAW, I can murder you, rape your wife, steal your stuff, burn your house to the ground and blame YOU for the whole sad affair. My hands will be clean because YOU deny the LAW.

In your haste to argue COVID vaccine you have neglected the LAW. Jewish or not, God said Saturday was the day for worship and that it would be a sign between Him and those who worshipped Him. The Catholic Church has declared itself superior to God and claimed the authority to change laws and days and times. The vatican has declared the Pope TO BE GOD. These are the words of the Roman Catholic church, not mine. If you accuse, accuse rightly. I only echo God's word, the prophets and the RCC.

If you refuse this documented proof, that's your problem not mine.

Not for nothing is the church guilty of more WAR, more KILLING OF JEWS and more religious confusion than any other organization on the planet or in history. Good Christians absolutely REFUSE the lessons of history and the Word of God. In fact, most main line Christian denominations in America have already stripped the Bible of its authority and now claim its just another work of religious literature. Really? Is this what Christianity has become? If so, it does not follow the Bible. It doesn't follow Christ and it doesn't even follow common sense.

Argue something true and historic, but don't justify SIN by saying God has excused Christians from the LAW. He hasn't.

"I did not come to abolish the LAW. I came to fulfill it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

The LAW still stands. In fact, no one can be saved apart from it. (I can't wait for Christian Biblical illiteracy to kick in on this one.)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Church membership won't save anybody. It certainly isn't a get-out-of-jail free card enabling its holders to murder anyone who disagrees with their mistaken interpretations of the Bible, yet that is exactly the position the church has taken through much of its history. Google it and learn something.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
What do you think about those who will not take the jab. Will they be discriminated against in anyway for not taking it?

In the media, we hear reports already of health pass or passport for those who got vaccinated in order for them to be able to move around freely. What will be the consequences for those who will not. I would like to hear your thoughts. Doesn't this led to discrimination against certain group of people and would lose everything because of their belief and freedom of choice?
 
Aug 16, 2020
282
55
28
Central Florida, USA
What do you think about those who will not take the jab. Will they be discriminated against in anyway for not taking it?

In the media, we hear reports already of health pass or passport for those who got vaccinated in order for them to be able to move around freely. What will be the consequences for those who will not. I would like to hear your thoughts. Doesn't this led to discrimination against certain group of people and would lose everything because of their belief and freedom of choice?
Discipleship

As I've written before, I've done all the authorities have asked for the safety of my neighbor and myself. I got the Pfizer series, wear a mask and exercise social distancing. I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT, but I do it. Many act like spoiled children and won't take their medicine.

Really? These are adults? These are Christians? Christian in name only because what they DO is louder than what they SAY.

When I went back to the clinic for my second jab they actually had dishes of chocolates there to reward the adults for getting the poke. Are we really that childish? Yes we are. That's what we've become as a nation.

In my opinion, getting the jab isn't just for me. It's for my neighbor according to the second commandment.

Romans 13:1 is a quote from Paul saying disciples of Christ should obey the governing authorities. That doesn't mean saluting the flag, supporting the troops (I'm a vet with permanent disability, btw), going to war every time one is declared, or singing the anthem of a godless nation. Jesus obeyed the civil laws and paid His taxes. That's it and that's all. That's what Paul meant when he wrote it. Giving allegiance is a totally different thing. God demands 100%. How much allegiance is left for the nation? 0%

Discrimination

Members of the NFL were required to wear a tracking device last season. It looks like an apple watch. Reports are that members of the MLB will be required to wear one in the upcoming season as well. There is a fine for those who don't. Reports are that tracking software has been automatically installed on individual cell phones. I looked and it was on mine at one time. Can't find it now, but there is something going on I can't monitor.

When one gets the COVID inoculation one is issued a card. The card is documentation that the holder has received one or two shots. The date for each is listed on the back. I was told to make a copy of it and keep the copy in my wallet. I did and I do. Nobody in authority has asked to see it, but I don't doubt that day isn't far off. There are reports TSA may require one to flash the card during check in for a flight. Some states or cities may require it upon arrival. I don't think it's beyond reason to expect that sooner or later our authorities may require a fine of those who don't get the inoculation series.

Is freedom of choice lost by those who refuse to follow the rules our civil authorities require? Certainly.

Robbing a bank is against the law. So is murder. Authorities will rob the lawless of his or her freedom if they don't comply with civil law. Of course freedom of choice is lost by failure to comply with civil authority.

Freedom of choice is a religious and philosophical point of discussion here. Civil law isn't.

Liberty is lost when the government interferes with self-determination. Do Americans have any protection against governmental excess? None at all. We used to have a constitution with the first ten amendments requiring restrictions against the Federal government. That is now an obsolete document. There ARE NO protections against Federal excess any more. Want a list of legal precedents removing Bill of Rights protection? Ask for it and I'll post it here. It isn't pretty.

Bottom line is that American documentation of individual COVID shots received is ALREADY in place. It takes the form of personal tracking software on our phones as well as the shot record card each person gets when they receive an inoculation. Will this documentation be improved and required in future? What do you think? I wouldn't be surprised if it was required. I don't think you would be either.

We are entering a new dark age. Censorship and civil law is pressing down upon us increasingly each day. Personally I wish we were as free as when I was a kid, but that was a long time ago in an American that's gone with the wind.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

shittim

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2016
13,740
7,741
113
"Lean not on your own understanding, but in ALL things acknowledge Him, and He will make your path straight".
I know of NO ONE who is guided by the Holy Spirit of the living God to take Dr. Phony, Kill Bill, and the CCP poison vaccine, the type of which has NEVER passed an animal test for safety and efficacy.
best wishes
 
3

3angelsmsg

Guest
Discipleship

As I've written before, I've done all the authorities have asked for the safety of my neighbor and myself. I got the Pfizer series, wear a mask and exercise social distancing. I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT, but I do it. Many act like spoiled children and won't take their medicine.

Really? These are adults? These are Christians? Christian in name only because what they DO is louder than what they SAY.

When I went back to the clinic for my second jab they actually had dishes of chocolates there to reward the adults for getting the poke. Are we really that childish? Yes we are. That's what we've become as a nation.

In my opinion, getting the jab isn't just for me. It's for my neighbor according to the second commandment.

Romans 13:1 is a quote from Paul saying disciples of Christ should obey the governing authorities. That doesn't mean saluting the flag, supporting the troops (I'm a vet with permanent disability, btw), going to war every time one is declared, or singing the anthem of a godless nation. Jesus obeyed the civil laws and paid His taxes. That's it and that's all. That's what Paul meant when he wrote it. Giving allegiance is a totally different thing. God demands 100%. How much allegiance is left for the nation? 0%

Discrimination

Members of the NFL were required to wear a tracking device last season. It looks like an apple watch. Reports are that members of the MLB will be required to wear one in the upcoming season as well. There is a fine for those who don't. Reports are that tracking software has been automatically installed on individual cell phones. I looked and it was on mine at one time. Can't find it now, but there is something going on I can't monitor.

When one gets the COVID inoculation one is issued a card. The card is documentation that the holder has received one or two shots. The date for each is listed on the back. I was told to make a copy of it and keep the copy in my wallet. I did and I do. Nobody in authority has asked to see it, but I don't doubt that day isn't far off. There are reports TSA may require one to flash the card during check in for a flight. Some states or cities may require it upon arrival. I don't think it's beyond reason to expect that sooner or later our authorities may require a fine of those who don't get the inoculation series.

Is freedom of choice lost by those who refuse to follow the rules our civil authorities require? Certainly.

Robbing a bank is against the law. So is murder. Authorities will rob the lawless of his or her freedom if they don't comply with civil law. Of course freedom of choice is lost by failure to comply with civil authority.

Freedom of choice is a religious and philosophical point of discussion here. Civil law isn't.

Liberty is lost when the government interferes with self-determination. Do Americans have any protection against governmental excess? None at all. We used to have a constitution with the first ten amendments requiring restrictions against the Federal government. That is now an obsolete document. There ARE NO protections against Federal excess any more. Want a list of legal precedents removing Bill of Rights protection? Ask for it and I'll post it here. It isn't pretty.

Bottom line is that American documentation of individual COVID shots received is ALREADY in place. It takes the form of personal tracking software on our phones as well as the shot record card each person gets when they receive an inoculation. Will this documentation be improved and required in future? What do you think? I wouldn't be surprised if it was required. I don't think you would be either.

We are entering a new dark age. Censorship and civil law is pressing down upon us increasingly each day. Personally I wish we were as free as when I was a kid, but that was a long time ago in an American that's gone with the wind.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Thank you brethren for your response. To answer your question definitely. I will attach picture coming out of Israel.

The constitution is not worth the paper it is written on nowadays. We shouldn't expect protection under our constitution. And we shouldn't forget that the constitution can be changed to restrict our freedoms which we enjoyed in the past but in reality we get our freedoms from God ultimately and not from our civil authorities. If your mindset is that government is your authority. You will be in trouble when all earthly support will be removed and all the judges and jurisdictions will be against you as christian that wants to serve God according to your convictions. Let us not think when the government changes law we just need to conform to the dictates of the world. We should have a fear of God.
 

Attachments

3

3angelsmsg

Guest
Called it.

Woman fired because she didn't want to take the covid shot. She isn't against vaccinations, she just wanted to wait.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-fired-refusing-covid-19-225219054.html
It is very plausible concern of the waitress. She is concern about the safety aspect on her pregnancy. And how sad will it be, if she ought to lose the life of her baby. My heart goes out to her.

I had listened to the briefing session between the CDC and Moderna. And in the briefing they admitted they haven't tested the vaccine on woman that was pregnant at the time of getting it. These woman that got the vaccine later on became pregnant.
 

Genipher

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2019
2,269
1,672
113
It is very plausible concern of the waitress. She is concern about the safety aspect on her pregnancy. And how sad will it be, if she ought to lose the life of her baby. My heart goes out to her.

I had listened to the briefing session between the CDC and Moderna. And in the briefing they admitted they haven't tested the vaccine on woman that was pregnant at the time of getting it. These woman that got the vaccine later on became pregnant.
I agree her concern is valid.
I read recently that testing is currently being done to see if the vaccine affects men's fertility. Seems that should have been done before jabbing people...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ve...-19-vaccine-impact-male-sperm-quality-5095897
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,556
9,068
113
Status
Not open for further replies.