ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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saintrose

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It is clear that not everyone has a love of the truth. Some are willfully blind. Some are fools. Some have weak egos and feel the need to attack others to make themselves feel better. Some are paid government shill teams dispatched by black op offices of the government to attack those who speak the truth. We were given the Holy Spirit to help us to discern.

2 Thessalonians 2:10

“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”

Glenn Greenwald on the pervasiveness of shills poisoning web forums:

"One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It's time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.. ... Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the Internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: 'false flag operations' (posting material to the Internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting 'negative information' on various forums."


“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see”
― Ayn Rand

"You will never be able to make some understand or accept something if they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn or notice. You can present facts and try to reason with him all you want, but his mind is made up. There's none so blind as those who will not see."

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness - Romans 1:18


The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish [doeth] not so. - Proverbs 15:7

Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not [in him] the lips of knowledge. - Proverbs 14:7
 
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Observing God's creation and how it works, understanding these details under the microscope and fixing problems that kill people because the world does have hostile life forms due to the fall of man, is not playing God. It is dealing with the world in its current condition after the fall.
I believe it is more pleasing to God to attempt to protect your family than to let hostile forces kill them. Don't you?
Yeah for sure. With a healthy lifestyle, which is laid out in Leviticus. Personally still think that His guidelines supersedes technology. Yes, it’s great that we have technology, but I think it’s getting to the point of idolatry. Are they developing this technology from a biblical understanding, or evolutionary understanding? Saying we can evolve through technology.
 

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Yeah for sure. With a healthy lifestyle, which is laid out in Leviticus. Personally still think that His guidelines supersedes technology. Yes, it’s great that we have technology, but I think it’s getting to the point of idolatry. Are they developing this technology from a biblical understanding, or evolutionary understanding? Saying we can evolve through technology.

According to conspiracy theorist, the elites are gonna merge with machines, and have life extension, while killing off 95% of the population.

I don't look at it as our timing is running out, it's the devil, and his minions our running out of time. So, they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they are winning, which viewed from an eternal perspective, is quite the opposite.

The more it looks like demonic forces are winning, the closer their end will come. They can have their empty victories, it will just help with the triumphant return of our Lord Jesus.
 

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These are the pictures that are used in conspiracy theory posts and videos they make up.
It is actually water that is used to weight prototype plans when flight testing them. They have been using this method throughout the history of aviation. But they make for good chemical spraying proof conspiracy theory fodder don't they? LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
Man, I think we’re living in the time of “what is truth.” Paul Bragg even speaks about chem trails in his fasting book. So it’s really hard to come to the truth because there is information and anti-information. Facts, debunked facts, then fact checkers being fact checked lol. Mass delusion. Even though, just because it’s deemed conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s not true. They have conditioned us to look at people that are presenting crazy facts as conspiracy. Just a quick label to throw up without doing research.

Even Wikipedia can be influenced. Just because they say it’s debunked, doesn’t mean it’s so. That’s why we have to do our own research and come to an educated decision. Not ignorant because someone told us so.
 
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Yeah for sure. With a healthy lifestyle, which is laid out in Leviticus. Personally still think that His guidelines supersedes technology. Yes, it’s great that we have technology, but I think it’s getting to the point of idolatry. Are they developing this technology from a biblical understanding, or evolutionary understanding? Saying we can evolve through technology.
Actually Lamb is not that healthy. The dietary laws were a matter of religious clean and unclean. They are about holiness and that Israel was to be separate from those around them. The pagans used to seeth the kid in the mothers milk to invoke their gods for a good crop. He said not to do these things. Speculation about enzymes being released in the seething process are made up inventions from people who did not know the pagan practice. Oops... ignorance strikes again.

These pagan nations around them used some of the unclean animals to sacrifice and they were to not to even touch them.
There may be some health benefits also but the typology is more about holiness and being separate. A rabbit is far leaner and more nutritious than a Lamb but the rabbit is on the unclean list.

It sounds good to people to think that there is some magic health benefit in the clean list but when you analyze that from the nutrition aspect you find it is not the case. Why? Because it was never the purpose for the list. It was to call them to be separate from the nations around them. Even Jewish Rabbis teach this, they don't teach it a secret nutrition list.

You can give examples about the nastiness of the pig but you can't do that with every animal on the unclean list, it does not pan out and this logic will fail. You will end up claiming something is unhealthy that is not, like rabbit. That logic does not pan out because it is not the reason for the list.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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According to conspiracy theorist, the elites are gonna merge with machines, and have life extension, while killing off 95% of the population.

I don't look at it as our timing is running out, it's the devil, and his minions our running out of time. So, they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they are winning, which view from eternal perspective, is quite the opposite.

The more it looks like demonic forces are winning, the closer their end will come. They can have their empty victories, it will just help with the triumphant return of our Lord Jesus.
Yeah it’s the transhumanist movement. Merging with machine. Not a far fetched idea when we actually see the type of technology that is being rolled out. Even Elon Musk developing a brain to computer interface with “Neuralink.”
 

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Brother we witness today the kind of hatred towards Our Lord, not just any God but to our God specifically, hatred that would gladly remove Him from memory and punish anyone who would bring up His memory. We see these same people accept a strong delusion about human nature and condition. With them is Satan setting up an animal morality custom fit for our fallen nature to feel at ease. To blot out the concept of sin and judgement and the people who for millennia put those ideas before the world. When the man who's image they are made in appears they will be of one mind with him.
We haven't been deceived and will not be. We are the Elect who know that the family is the primary society of all human societies and one man and one woman are it's foundation. We aren't nor will we be deceived by this beast reforming man in it's image.
I was speaking about the wicked who will be on the earth during that time. Many will reason with themselves about the mark because it will be the only way to buy and sell. I wasn't talking about the church because it will have already been removed.
 
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Man, I think we’re living in the time of “what is truth.” Paul Bragg even speaks about chem trails in his fasting book. So it’s really hard to come to the truth because there is information and anti-information. Facts, debunked facts, then fact checkers being fact checked lol. Mass delusion. Even though, just because it’s deemed conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s not true. They have conditioned us to look at people that are presenting crazy facts as conspiracy. Just a quick label to throw up without doing research.

Even Wikipedia can be influenced. Just because they say it’s debunked, doesn’t mean it’s so. That’s why we have to do our own research and come to an educated decision. Not ignorant because someone told us so.
Wikipedia is a great place credible resources and links.
 

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Actually Lamb is not that healthy. The dietary laws were a matter of religious clean and unclean. They are about holiness and that Israel was to be separate from those around them. The pagans used to seeth the kid in the mothers milk to invoke their gods for a good crop. He said not to do these things. Speculation about enzymes being released in the seething process are made up inventions from people who did not know the pagan practice. Oops... ignorance strikes again.

These pagan nations around them used some of the unclean animals to sacrifice and they were to not to even touch them.
There may be some health benefits also but the typology is more about holiness and being separate. A rabbit is far leaner and more nutritious than a Lamb but the rabbit is on the unclean list.

It sounds good to people to think that there is some magic health benefit in the clean list but when you analyze that from the nutrition aspect you find it is not the case. Why? Because it was never the purpose for the list. It was to call them to be separate from the nations around them. Even Jewish Rabbis teach this, they don't teach it a secret nutrition list.

You can give examples about the nastiness of the pig but you can't do that with every animal on the unclean list, it does not pan out and this logic will fail. You will end up claiming something is unhealthy that is not, like rabbit. That logic does not pan out because it is not the reason for the list.
We can see the benefits from the laws laid out in Leviticus. I don't know how you can dispute that. Of course they were called to be clean, but just figuratively? Our bodies are the temples. So doesn't it make sense to be clean inside and out. Isn't it pretty arrogant to somehow predict what people are going to say as if your always right. What if your not? I'll give it to you. Your well versed and very good at articulating, but Thank God for that. Likewise, I give glory to God for any bit of understanding, knowledge, and wisdom I receive. I can see why Yeshua picked the fisherman, instead of the intellectuals. Yes, there is Paul, a scholar. lol
 

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Yeah it’s the transhumanist movement. Merging with machine. Not a far fetched idea when we actually see the type of technology that is being rolled out. Even Elon Musk developing a brain to computer interface with “Neuralink.”

Heard about that "Neuralink", or something similar. Not impressed at all.

I thought about the movie, Matrix yesterday, and there seems to be many parallels in today's high tech world, and culture. Neo is a computer hacker or something, and follows the rabbit down the whole. Just like today, we are all stuck on the net, due to lockdowns, and we are gathered together trying to find truth, in this world of lies, and deception.
 

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Heard about that "Neuralink", or something similar. Not impressed at all.

I thought about the movie, Matrix yesterday, and there seems to be many parallels in today's high tech world, and culture. Neo is a computer hacker or something, and follows the rabbit down the whole. Just like today, we are all stuck on the net, due to lockdowns, and we are gathered together trying to find truth, in this world of lies, and deception.
For real! It's a crazy movie. A lot of us don't realize how plugged in we are. ;)
 

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Actually Lamb is not that healthy. The dietary laws were a matter of religious clean and unclean. They are about holiness and that Israel was to be separate from those around them. The pagans used to seeth the kid in the mothers milk to invoke their gods for a good crop. He said not to do these things. Speculation about enzymes being released in the seething process are made up inventions from people who did not know the pagan practice. Oops... ignorance strikes again.

These pagan nations around them used some of the unclean animals to sacrifice and they were to not to even touch them.
There may be some health benefits also but the typology is more about holiness and being separate. A rabbit is far leaner and more nutritious than a Lamb but the rabbit is on the unclean list.

It sounds good to people to think that there is some magic health benefit in the clean list but when you analyze that from the nutrition aspect you find it is not the case. Why? Because it was never the purpose for the list. It was to call them to be separate from the nations around them. Even Jewish Rabbis teach this, they don't teach it a secret nutrition list.

You can give examples about the nastiness of the pig but you can't do that with every animal on the unclean list, it does not pan out and this logic will fail. You will end up claiming something is unhealthy that is not, like rabbit. That logic does not pan out because it is not the reason for the list.
I also don't know where you get your information about lamb. "Lamb is a type of red meat that comes from young sheep. Not only is it a rich source of high-quality protein, but it is also an outstanding source of many vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc, and vitamin B12. Because of this, regular consumption of lamb may promote muscle growth, maintenance, and performance. "

Why would God make His people eat unhealthy foods so they can get sick then?
 
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We can see the benefits from the laws laid out in Leviticus. I don't know how you can dispute that. Of course they were called to be clean, but just figuratively? Our bodies are the temples. So doesn't it make sense to be clean inside and out. Isn't it pretty arrogant to somehow predict what people are going to say as if your always right. What if your not? I'll give it to you. Your well versed and very good at articulating, but Thank God for that. Likewise, I give glory to God for any bit of understanding, knowledge, and wisdom I receive. I can see why Yeshua picked the fisherman, instead of the intellectuals. Yes, there is Paul, a scholar. lol
This is something that has been discussed for centuries. I did not make it up. The nutrition of the clean animals is not mentioned in the bible. The reason given was that they should be separate. Holy means separate. Clean and Unclean in this context means holy and unholy. Specifically it means to be useful for service to the Lord.

You do concede that a diet of Lamb would not be good for the heart, arteries or keeping weight down. Cooking meals from the clean list and from the unclean list would not make one person healthier than the other. That is not arrogance. That has been documented and demonstrated in the discussion through the past recent decades as this has been hashed and rehashed. Believing it is a secret health guide is your right but it is not in the text any where. It does however mention being holy and separated from other nations.
No reason to get offended. If you can demonstrate from the scripture text that the reason was because of the superior health benefits of the clean animals you should do so. If you have evidence scientifically that would be welcome also. If both are missing it is probably because it is a belief system that merely Wishes it were true but really isn't based on any evidence.

If we were to focus on the nutritional aspects we would miss the real message which is still applicable, that we are called to be separated from the world and not indulge in their ungodly practices.
 
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I also don't know where you get your information about lamb. "Lamb is a type of red meat that comes from young sheep. Not only is it a rich source of high-quality protein, but it is also an outstanding source of many vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc, and vitamin B12. Because of this, regular consumption of lamb may promote muscle growth, maintenance, and performance. "

Why would God make His people eat unhealthy foods so they can get sick then?
Of Course. And so is Pork.

Pork, by definition, is an “excellent” source of nutrients important in supporting our health, including vitamin B-6, thiamin, phosphorus, niacin and selenium, and protein and a “good” source of zinc, riboflavin and potassium.

And Lamb carry worms too if not given vet meds. So the worms argument does not work.
 

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This is something that has been discussed for centuries. I did not make it up. The nutrition of the clean animals is not mentioned in the bible. The reason given was that they should be separate. Holy means separate. Clean and Unclean in this context means holy and unholy. Specifically it means to be useful for service to the Lord.

You do concede that a diet of Lamb would not be good for the heart, arteries or keeping weight down. Cooking meals from the clean list and from the unclean list would not make one person healthier than the other. That is not arrogance. That has been documented and demonstrated in the discussion through the past recent decades as this has been hashed and rehashed. Believing it is a secret health guide is your right but it is not in the text any where. It does however mention being holy and separated from other nations.
No reason to get offended. If you can demonstrate from the scripture text that the reason was because of the superior health benefits of the clean animals you should do so. If you have evidence scientifically that would be welcome also. If both are missing it is probably because it is a belief system that merely Wishes it were true but really isn't based on any evidence.

If we were to focus on the nutritional aspects we would miss the real message which is still applicable, that we are called to be separated from the world and not indulge in their ungodly practices.
Of Course. And so is Pork.

Pork, by definition, is an “excellent” source of nutrients important in supporting our health, including vitamin B-6, thiamin, phosphorus, niacin and selenium, and protein and a “good” source of zinc, riboflavin and potassium.

And Lamb carry worms too if not given vet meds. So the worms argument does not work.
True, but don't the pigs eat filth? They are filthy animals and also their digestive system is not good.
 

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I also don't know where you get your information about lamb. "Lamb is a type of red meat that comes from young sheep. Not only is it a rich source of high-quality protein, but it is also an outstanding source of many vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc, and vitamin B12. Because of this, regular consumption of lamb may promote muscle growth, maintenance, and performance. "

Why would God make His people eat unhealthy foods so they can get sick then?

Agreed! I take a religious break from being vegan to eat lamb on Passover. Lamb is part of a religious ceremony from the temple period. It's also pretty expensive and hard to find quality lamb cuts.
 
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Yes, but you can also edit the article. Not saying it isn't, but it's not 100 % fact.
Give it a try and see how that works. You will probably have more confidence in it as a result of the discoveries you make.
 

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Likewise! It’s progressing pretty darn fast. For years my Dad has been talking about prophecy, but I was ignorant when I was younger. Hit a dark period and finally started getting into the Word. Ever since then my life was changed. Doesn’t mean I still struggle, but now I believe. Especially when we research and look at the world through a biblical perspective :).
Yes - this gives the greatest advantage to understanding the reality we live in...
 
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