ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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TruthSeekerJG

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Give it a try and see how that works. You will probably have more confidence in it as a result of the discoveries you make.
I use wikipedia all the time lol. Not saying it's not a good resource. Been using it for years. Let me go to evolution and read that, does it make it fact ? Seems to have a lot of good credible sources...
 

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Yes - this gives the greatest advantage to understanding the reality we live in...
For real! Granted, my brain doesn't retain a lot of the information I've been reading, watching, and listening too, but it is out there.
 

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Yes - this gives the greatest advantage to understanding the reality we live in...

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Absolutely agree!


Psalm 119:105

Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.
 

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Observing God's creation and how it works, understanding these details under the microscope and fixing problems that kill people because the world does have hostile life forms due to the fall of man, is not playing God. It is dealing with the world in its current condition after the fall.
I believe it is more pleasing to God to attempt to protect your family than to let hostile forces kill them. Don't you?
Agreed, but I don't think he wanted us to act like Him and act like we can control entropy, or disease. Technology is good, but up to a certain point. It's becoming idolatry and stripping us from basic abilities that God gave us in order to live in convenience. There has to be a balance.
 

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Observing God's creation and how it works, understanding these details under the microscope and fixing problems that kill people because the world does have hostile life forms due to the fall of man, is not playing God. It is dealing with the world in its current condition after the fall.
I believe it is more pleasing to God to attempt to protect your family than to let hostile forces kill them. Don't you?
The most hostile life forms are humans; the most hostile forces come from evil humans.

(Because of sin, of course.)

Believe it.
 
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True, but don't the pigs eat filth? They are filthy animals and also their digestive system is not good.
I concede that it might be ONE of the reasons that God forbade the consumption of pork. But it is just us guessing about that because we know they stink and eat slop and carry worms. I can concede that there were benefits to not having them in the train of desert wanderers or in your neighborhood. But this same theory does not hold true to every unclean animal on the list.

Maybe pigs were not allowed simply for the same reason as other animals, because the nations around them were sacrificing them to their false idols and he wanted them to make a statement of separation.

Burying their refuse and washing their pots and pans was certainly sanitary instructions and I concede that there might be some of that in the dietary list but I do think it was mostly about being separate because we have that statement in the text, but no statements about nutrition or health and because they don't all pan out in a lab analysis as superior in health to the unclean list.

Today one would do will to eat Rabbit for protein and nutrition over Lamb. It would be a better health choice. And allowed by God since the New Testament specifically declares all meats clean.

Today I carry out the principle of being separate by following the Spirit and not indulging in the sinful practices of the world around me. So the lesson behind it is a theological one. This seems to be more inline with the rest of the bible.

I am not trying to be contrary but helpful in seeing what the message of the dietary laws might have been. :)
 

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The most hostile life forms are humans; the most hostile forces come from evil humans.

(Because of sin, of course.)

Believe it.
That's a good point. We are the hostile lifeforms lol
 
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Agreed, but I don't think he wanted us to act like Him and act like we can control entropy, or disease. Technology is good, but up to a certain point. It's becoming idolatry and stripping us from basic abilities that God gave us in order to live in convenience. There has to be a balance.
You mean like editing genes to give your baby blue eyes and blonde hair? I think I agree. It seems like a bad idea. But then again, it might be common in the future who knows. Today millions of Godly Christian women choose to get breast implants. Some do it for asthetics, some do it because they have had cancer surgery, different motives but many do not see it as a sin or an unholy motivation.

People who are horrified at the idea of choosing the eye color and hair color of their babies today may think nothing of it in 50 to 100 years.
 

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“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see”
― Ayn Rand
There is a lot of truth in this statement...

And, a lot of frustration in trying to do it.
 
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I use wikipedia all the time lol. Not saying it's not a good resource. Been using it for years. Let me go to evolution and read that, does it make it fact ? Seems to have a lot of good credible sources...
I meant .. Give editing it a try.. go through the process and see who that works. The ability to contribute to it makes it even more reliable. The process can check for errors and correct them.
 

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I concede that it might be ONE of the reasons that God forbade the consumption of pork. But it is just us guessing about that because we know they stink and eat slop and carry worms. I can concede that there were benefits to not having them in the train of desert wanderers or in your neighborhood. But this same theory does not hold true to every unclean animal on the list.

Maybe pigs were not allowed simply for the same reason as other animals, because the nations around them were sacrificing them to their false idols and he wanted them to make a statement of separation.

Burying their refuse and washing their pots and pans was certainly sanitary instructions and I concede that there might be some of that in the dietary list but I do think it was mostly about being separate because we have that statement in the text, but no statements about nutrition or health and because they don't all pan out in a lab analysis as superior in health to the unclean list.

Today one would do will to eat Rabbit for protein and nutrition over Lamb. It would be a better health choice. And allowed by God since the New Testament specifically declares all meats clean.

Today I carry out the principle of being separate by following the Spirit and not indulging in the sinful practices of the world around me. So the lesson behind it is a theological one. This seems to be more inline with the rest of the bible.

I am not trying to be contrary but helpful in seeing what the message of the dietary laws might have been. :)
Just "ONE..." I would say that's a huge reason as to not eat pork because there would be a risk of catching a disease. Granted, bacon does smell and taste good, but it's definitely unhealthy over time. Plus, when Yeshua cast the demons into the pigs... Nope.

I think I would argue there is a specific reason why God chose clean and unclean. Not only was it for His people to be set apart, but to deliver them from disease because they followed His guidelines. It's not all about symbols, but to be a living example, while showing the proof of living a Godly lifestyle. There's purpose!

Read up on Rabbit, looks good, but at the same time there can be a potential risk of catching a disease "Tularemia." So I guess this can be applied to any flesh we eat. But, common sense tells us that we just can't eat any meat for potential risk of catching disease. Like eating shrimp, which are the bottom feeders. There are animals that are designed with a specific purpose. Ones to eat, and those that are bottom feeders. What about plants, I like salads, but I cant just throw in a poison ivy just to spice up the meal.. :)

Of course we are called to be separate in the spiritual sense. To be spiritually minded, instead of being fleshly minded. To focus on the things above, heavenly things, versus focusing on the things of this world, to be worldly. Yet, we still do live in the physical realm and have an obligated duty to take care of our temples, which is the body. Reason why is because the things we take in, also transforms us. We are literally what we eat and think, by media, books, or who we hang around. That's what I think it means to be separate from this world. His guidelines are universal for creation and not for a specific group. Not denying His nation of Israel, but even then, as the Body of Christ we are partaking in the spiritual seed of Yeshua.
 

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You mean like editing genes to give your baby blue eyes and blonde hair? I think I agree. It seems like a bad idea. But then again, it might be common in the future who knows. Today millions of Godly Christian women choose to get breast implants. Some do it for asthetics, some do it because they have had cancer surgery, different motives but many do not see it as a sin or an unholy motivation.

People who are horrified at the idea of choosing the eye color and hair color of their babies today may think nothing of it in 50 to 100 years.
Yeah, that scares me. To think designer babies are going to be the norm. That's keeping us in the flesh because we will be able to live out worldly dreams through technology. The main thing is spirit. Are we learning how to live in the spirit and not focus on the outward-ness of things, or focusing on what really matters, which is our souls and having a relationship with our Messiah. It's getting to the point where they will say that they are like God, instead of wanting to have a relationship with Him and give Him the Glory, which is ALL His.
 

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I meant .. Give editing it a try.. go through the process and see who that works. The ability to contribute to it makes it even more reliable. The process can check for errors and correct them.
True, but even those so-called resources can be false. Yes, they might be a professional, but what is their perspective based upon? Is it based upon Truth, or their own self intellect and terminology (big words) in order to make it seem like their right? This is the type of deception that I'm talking about. Where others don't know how to think for themselves, but instead they just depend on man to give them the answers. Anybody can just go online and find a soothsayer.
 
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True, but even those so-called resources can be false. Yes, they might be a professional, but what is their perspective based upon? Is it based upon Truth, or their own self intellect and terminology (big words) in order to make it seem like their right? This is the type of deception that I'm talking about. Where others don't know how to think for themselves, but instead they just depend on man to give them the answers. Anybody can just go online and find a soothsayer.
Credible resources are taught in High School There are rules. For example, a scientific study from several universities and their published findings would be a credible source on analyzing something. A youtube with a guy in a lab coat pleading with you to wake up is not.
 

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Credible resources are taught in High School There are rules. For example, a scientific study from several universities and their published findings would be a credible source on analyzing something. A youtube with a guy in a lab coat pleading with you to wake up is not.
Of course! That's why we shouldn't just watch or listen to a random person with no credibility, but there are credible people that go against the mainstream of things. Those are honestly the ones that I think are credible, because they have been woken up towards the deception of the mainstream. Many doctors.

But even then, what perspective are those studies based upon? Evolution is being taught in schools as a matter of fact, yet, it's not. It's a theory.
 

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I concede that it might be ONE of the reasons that God forbade the consumption of pork. But it is just us guessing about that because we know they stink and eat slop and carry worms. I can concede that there were benefits to not having them in the train of desert wanderers or in your neighborhood. But this same theory does not hold true to every unclean animal on the list.

Maybe pigs were not allowed simply for the same reason as other animals, because the nations around them were sacrificing them to their false idols and he wanted them to make a statement of separation.

Burying their refuse and washing their pots and pans was certainly sanitary instructions and I concede that there might be some of that in the dietary list but I do think it was mostly about being separate because we have that statement in the text, but no statements about nutrition or health and because they don't all pan out in a lab analysis as superior in health to the unclean list.

Today one would do will to eat Rabbit for protein and nutrition over Lamb. It would be a better health choice. And allowed by God since the New Testament specifically declares all meats clean.

Today I carry out the principle of being separate by following the Spirit and not indulging in the sinful practices of the world around me. So the lesson behind it is a theological one. This seems to be more inline with the rest of the bible.

I am not trying to be contrary but helpful in seeing what the message of the dietary laws might have been. :)
Actually, if a person were to eat only rabbit meat they could end up with protein poisoning. Rabbit is too lean of a meat to try to live off of. lamb would be a better choice because it has the fat that our body needs to survive.
 

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John 10:22-23

Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.
 

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Credible resources are taught in High School There are rules. For example, a scientific study from several universities and their published findings would be a credible source on analyzing something. A youtube with a guy in a lab coat pleading with you to wake up is not.
Of course! That's why we shouldn't just watch or listen to a random person with no credibility, but there are credible people that go against the mainstream of things. Those are honestly the ones that I think are credible, because they have been woken up towards the deception of the mainstream. Many doctors.

But even then, what perspective are those studies based upon? Evolution is being taught in schools as a matter of fact, yet, it's not. It's a theory.
What is not taught in High School anymore (and most certainly not in universities - not for a long time) is [real, actual] Critical Thinking...

Yes - they teach something they label as "Critical Thinking" - but, it is actually the opposite. Today, the school system teaches children to "not think"... :(

Anyone who is [actually] thinking critically knows that the 'credibility' of a "credible resource" is defined and determined by - more than anything else - how intellectually honest the 'resource' is.

If they always-and-continually lie to you, how credible are they as a source of truth?

Until you can determine the "true intent" of the 'resource', the rest "kind-of doesn't really matter" - it is not worth that much.

Unless you can compare the information of the 'resource' to some other 'resource' you have already determined to be trust-worthy - giving credibility to one 'resource' by virtue of a trusted second 'resource'.

Real critical thinkers today don't arbitrarily consider any 'degree', 'title', 'privilege', etc. of the 'resource' to be credible in-of-itself.

Just because some government agency or corporate organization has been "put in charge" of something does not mean they are telling you the truth.

People have been "brainwashed" into believing that - any-and-all that are labeled as an [official] authority-on-the-subject - always tell the truth.

Some of them always tell you lies.

Today, we are bombarded with lies from virtually every "official authority" on earth.

Sometimes --- the guy in a lab coat pleading with you to wake up - is telling the truth.

His 'credentials' rest on the fact that he is actually paying attention to what most people don't want to believe about the reality they live in - and, that - he honestly cares enough to try to warn those who are 'sleeping' that they need to wake up and pay attention to what is going on.
 
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