ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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PennEd

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I am on record here with many of my posts I have said I do not agree that anyone should be mandated to take a vaccine. Everyone should have the right to take one or not take one.

I am also on record of saying that zerohedge.com is not a reliable source for information and I would not believe anything from that site as they are well known of manipulation of partial truths to spin into conspiracies of all sorts.
First off, Zerohedge is not only waaay more reliable than any site you post from, but is a news aggregate site. Meaning it gets most of its reported news stories from other news from around the world. Yes, it may put its own take on it, but at least it’s honest about it, unlike msm, and it doesn’t alter the facts of the story.



More importantly, saying you are against forced vaccination was NOT the question!!!!


The question in this instance was about refusing public transportation or medical care if someone chooses to not get the poison.


You slyly avoided that question.
 
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If we look to bible prophecy. We will see that the four hebrew boys in chapter 1 of the book of Daniel had a test. And the test was about defiling your body with unclean substance or in their case unclean foods and drinks. And Daniel purposed in his heart not to be defile his body with unclean foods. And we see a similar test being brought to christians of today where each person should decide if they will defile their body with unclean substance. This will be first test and later on in chapter 3 it was the test of bowing infront of Nebuchadnezzar's image. If the christian fail here and accept the vaccination they will also bow to the image. That is my take.
There will be huge consequences for not taking the vaccine. The president elect is saying that he cannot mandate the vaccine but he will speak to the governers that has the authority. The politics are quite clever in saying it will not be them that will make the vaccine madatory. They say well the airports companies would ask you to be vaccined to be able to fly. The restaurant owners will require persons to be vaccined and to attend cultural events and sports large gatherings will require it.
 

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Seems like "conspiracy theories" are now part of the canon of scripture.

Is this new Bible on the shelves somewhere?
Is trying to make yourself appear clever now part of the canon of Scripture? (Trust me - it isn't working)

Far from being a conspiracy theory it's TRUTH. Any person can research this and find it out. Only someone hopelessly naive` doesn't believe that our own government doesn't attempt to control online discourse. Or someone who is deliberately trying to inject disinformation into a conversation.

Many believe that Satan is a myth too. I guess the Conspiracy Theorists are wrong there according to "EleventhHour". And when I became a believer my friends and family thought I was believing fables...Conspiracy Theories...

The CIA, a notoriously rogue institution, invented the term "conspiracy theory" in an attempt to discredit and smear those who spoke the truth.... the way you're doing now.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” — an Invention of the CIA
from the Rev. Douglas Wilson, member of the Core Group of Project Unspeakable

Having read JFK and the Unspeakable several years ago, I’ve been thinking about assassinations for quite a while and I’ve seen how “conspiracy theory” is used to shut off debate, to signal that we’re entering “the unspeakable” zone. So I began to wonder if the use of the term Conspiracy Theory might be a conspiracy itself.

So I went exploring, and surprise surprise, there is a 1967 CIA memo that puts forward a great many of the commonly heard rebuttals to the Warren Commission Report. The CIA owned over 250 media outlets in the 1960s, spent close to a billion dollars (in today’s dollars) spreading information, and had people doing its bidding in every major city in the world, so it is not surprising that they were able to disseminate this idea.

And the issue is contemporary, too, not just historical. Cass Sunstein is a powerful Obama Administration insider whose new book, Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas, is a sophisticated apology for the established order.
The last of this series of articles is the CIA 1967 memo itself.

CIA Document 1035-960: Foundation of a Weaponized Term
from Memory Hole: Reflections on Media and Politics

© Memory Hole Blog / James F. Tracy
originally published January 20, 2013

“Conspiracy theory” is a term that at once strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs.

https://projectunspeakable.com/conspiracy-theory-invention-of-cia/

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In his 2013 book, Conspiracy Theory in America, author Lance deHaven-Smith traced the term “conspiracy theory” back to a CIA propaganda campaign that was designed to discredit doubters of the Warren Commission’s fake search into who assassinated President Kennedy in Dallas. In this light, the use of this pejorative term is obviously a tactic to shame and humiliate those who saw through the ulterior motives of the commission, and thus effectively censor out or even banish anyone who questions official government accounts.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-c...mear-campaign-to-discredit-dissenters/5403876

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2 Corinthians 11:13

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

2 Corinthians 11:14

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”



After this point I'm no longer interacting with you as Scripture warns. I perceive in you a wrong spirit and you're a false accuser.

Proverbs 14:7

“Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.”

John 8:44

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

Revelation 12:10

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
 
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First off, Zerohedge is not only waaay more reliable than any site you post from, but is a news aggregate site. Meaning it gets most of its reported news stories from other news from around the world. Yes, it may put its own take on it, but at least it’s honest about it, unlike msm, and it doesn’t alter the facts of the story.



More importantly, saying you are against forced vaccination was NOT the question!!!!


The question in this instance was about refusing public transportation or medical care if someone chooses to not get the poison.


You slyly avoided that question.
I don't know what they do in other countries but no one in American is going to be refused medical attention if they don't have a vaccination and no I am not "for" that sort of thing.

I am not for any mandated vaccines for public transport or even schools for that matter even though the public school rules are already a law in most states.

I don't care. People who don't get vaccinated don't bother me. I am not interested in any rules that encroach upon someone's own personal business.

People who don't vaccinate their kids are cruel to their kids especially if one of them gets sick and dies from a disease that could have been avoided by vaccines but they believed antivaxxer information instead.

But, because of parents rights to do what they think is best for their kids and due to the fact that some parents believe that vaccines will harm their kids, I find it hard to agree that they should be forced to vaccinate their kids. It is an on going moral debate.
 
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If we look to bible prophecy. We will see that the four hebrew boys in chapter 1 of the book of Daniel had a test. And the test was about defiling your body with unclean substance or in their case unclean foods and drinks. And Daniel purposed in his heart not to be defile his body with unclean foods. And we see a similar test being brought to christians of today where each person should decide if they will defile their body with unclean substance. This will be first test and later on in chapter 3 it was the test of bowing infront of Nebuchadnezzar's image. If the christian fail here and accept the vaccination they will also bow to the image. That is my take.
It may be your take but it is bad hermeneutics of Daniel.
A vaccine has nothing to do with the dietary Laws of Moses, of which I am free to eat any meat I choose according the Jesus Christ and the New Testament scriptures that say so.
You have no biblical basis to declare a Vaccine as "unclean" in the context of "clean and unclean" foods allowed or prohibited by the Law of Moses.
It is a private interpretation you made up and it is not logical to a thinking person.
The vaccine is not even a food.
Also your interpretation of clean and unclean suggests you are applying it to what is harmful and not harmful to the human body and that is not what clean and unclean meant in the context of the Pentateuch (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy). Clean and Unclean is the context of the Law of Moses is about what is acceptable to God for service or worship and what is not. Or what is Holy and what is Unholy. It is a religious context not a nutritional context.
 
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3angelsmsg

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Is trying to make yourself appear clever now part of the canon of Scripture? (Trust me - it isn't working)

Far from being a conspiracy theory it's TRUTH. Any person can research this and find it out. Only someone hopelessly naive` doesn't believe that our own government doesn't attempt to control online discourse. Or someone who is deliberately trying to inject disinformation into a conversation.

Many believe that Satan is a myth too. I guess the Conspiracy Theorists are wrong there according to "EleventhHour". And when I became a believer my friends and family thought I was believing fables...Conspiracy Theories...

The CIA, a notoriously rogue institution, invented the term "conspiracy theory" in an attempt to discredit and smear those who spoke the truth.... the way you're doing now.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” — an Invention of the CIA
from the Rev. Douglas Wilson, member of the Core Group of Project Unspeakable

Having read JFK and the Unspeakable several years ago, I’ve been thinking about assassinations for quite a while and I’ve seen how “conspiracy theory” is used to shut off debate, to signal that we’re entering “the unspeakable” zone. So I began to wonder if the use of the term Conspiracy Theory might be a conspiracy itself.

So I went exploring, and surprise surprise, there is a 1967 CIA memo that puts forward a great many of the commonly heard rebuttals to the Warren Commission Report. The CIA owned over 250 media outlets in the 1960s, spent close to a billion dollars (in today’s dollars) spreading information, and had people doing its bidding in every major city in the world, so it is not surprising that they were able to disseminate this idea.

And the issue is contemporary, too, not just historical. Cass Sunstein is a powerful Obama Administration insider whose new book, Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas, is a sophisticated apology for the established order.
The last of this series of articles is the CIA 1967 memo itself.

CIA Document 1035-960: Foundation of a Weaponized Term
from Memory Hole: Reflections on Media and Politics

© Memory Hole Blog / James F. Tracy
originally published January 20, 2013

“Conspiracy theory” is a term that at once strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs.

https://projectunspeakable.com/conspiracy-theory-invention-of-cia/

~~~~~~~

In his 2013 book, Conspiracy Theory in America, author Lance deHaven-Smith traced the term “conspiracy theory” back to a CIA propaganda campaign that was designed to discredit doubters of the Warren Commission’s fake search into who assassinated President Kennedy in Dallas. In this light, the use of this pejorative term is obviously a tactic to shame and humiliate those who saw through the ulterior motives of the commission, and thus effectively censor out or even banish anyone who questions official government accounts.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-c...mear-campaign-to-discredit-dissenters/5403876

~~~~~~~

2 Corinthians 11:13

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

2 Corinthians 11:14

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”



After this point I'm no longer interacting with you as Scripture warns. I perceive in you a wrong spirit and you're a false accuser.

Proverbs 14:7

“Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.”

John 8:44

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

Revelation 12:10

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
The CIA even had a special office in Hollywood. Even procured the purchase of property where Disney is situated today. Definitely no conspiracy theory. The CIA inform Hollywood what to put in the movies.
 
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Good luck with that.
I don't expect any
The CIA even had a special office in Hollywood. Even procured the purchase of property where Disney is situated today. Definitely no conspiracy theory. The CIA inform Hollywood what to put in the movies.
The CIA focuses on other countries. It is probable that the CIA would be consulted by Hollywood about what kind of movies they could make that might influence radical terrorists to reinterpret the Quran to teach them to abandon their views of violence and seek peace. It is known that the CIA was involved in supporting other countries efforts to place Imams in mosques that would interpret the portions of the Quran that the jihadist use to justify their violence into a spiritual interpretation about fighting against spiritual sin rather than people. I can see the CIA being involved in something like a long term effort to change the minds of radical Islam.
 
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I don't expect any


The CIA focuses on other countries. It is probable that the CIA would be consulted by Hollywood about what kind of movies they could make that might influence radical terrorists to reinterpret the Quran to teach them to abandon their views of violence and seek peace. It is known that the CIA was involved in supporting other countries efforts to place Imams in mosques that would interpret the portions of the Quran that the jihadist use to justify their violence into a spiritual interpretation about fighting against spiritual sin rather than people. I can see the CIA being involved in something like a long term effort to change the minds of radical Islam.
It is quite strange for CIA to have a office in Hollywood. And I dare not saying anything more.
 

PennEd

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I don't know what they do in other countries but no one in American is going to be refused medical attention if they don't have a vaccination and no I am not "for" that sort of thing.

I am not for any mandated vaccines for public transport or even schools for that matter even though the public school rules are already a law in most states.

I don't care. People who don't get vaccinated don't bother me. I am not interested in any rules that encroach upon someone's own personal business.

People who don't vaccinate their kids are cruel to their kids especially if one of them gets sick and dies from a disease that could have been avoided by vaccines but they believed antivaxxer information instead.

But, because of parents rights to do what they think is best for their kids and due to the fact that some parents believe that vaccines will harm their kids, I find it hard to agree that they should be forced to vaccinate their kids. It is an on going moral debate.
Ok. But what would you be willing to do to secure those rights for your fellow citizens that refuse the poison?
 

kinda

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Yes her restaurant was shut down but a movie company's outdoor dining 25 feet away was not! My what a choosy coronavirus we have...

I agree leaders should lead by example but the ones in office don't seem to be of high caliber.

I thought about it a lot, especially in light of Scripture that tells us to obey government. Chuck Baldwin refuted that faulty interpretation. Also, people in times past were not passive. Look at how the allied forces had to battle Hitler. What if Christians had sat there waiting for God to act instead of acting to free the persecuted Jews? I see far too many passive Christians when we're told in Scripture that we're co-laborers with God.

I'm an avid reader and also watch many documentaries. What was done to the Jews was an atrocity. What was particularly interesting was that they interviewed the support personnel, such as nurses, who helped kill imperfect babies. They asked why they did it and they answered: "Because I was told to."

If you look up Milgram's experiment, you can see how average people can deliver painful shocks to their fellow humans if told to do so by an "authority." The experiment was quite chilling and shows how average people can turn off their conscience if an authority figure orders them to harm a fellow human.

So I don't think we're to sit waiting to be raptured out or for Christ to step in. Of course I believe we're to keep our eye on the signs of the time to watch for his return, but I also believe that we're to be proactive in trying to make the world a better place while we're here. Patrick Wood has a good idea of getting involved in one's local politics/ government. If Christians aren't a restraining power then who is going to be?

The story that you refer to about Peter cutting off the soldier's ear was situational: Christ knew that specific happenings had to be fulfilled: "Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?"

I don't think that means that our response should always be passive. I think passivity among Christians has brought us to the terrible place that we are now at: multitudes of babies being aborted and their body parts sold. Filth coming out of Hollywood. Legislators who act like little Hitlers. I'm a firm believer that Christians should be the most proactive people there are. We are warned in fact that there are sins of commission as well as sins of omission.

I tried to get friends to do the simplest act of contacting legislators about bills that were coming up and they refused to even do that. There was a kind of smug belief that they were more spiritual because they trusted God to do it all. I don't believe that God is going to hold them guiltless. They ignore verses like this:

1 Corinthians 15:58 - Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Proverbs 18:9 - He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 - For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Proverbs 14:23 - In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips [tendeth] only to penury.

So I'm a believer in being proactive. We know that things are to wax worse - it was foretold to us that it would be 'as in the days of Noah' but nowhere in Scripture do I see God telling us to sit passively by and accept our lot until Christ returns. I see the opposite: we are to work and try to make the world a better place during our time here. There is much work to do.

I agree with you that it's really wrong to shut churches down. I was grateful for those pastors who refused to shut down. We need iron sharpening iron. You can't go to church but you can go into a liquor store? It's insanity.

I get were you are coming from S.R., so do what you gotta do. Your mad and can't take it any more, totally understandable. I'm not stopping you, so don't let me get in your way, just not gonna be apart of a lost cause. The modern weapons and wealth that this age has, is no comparison to what a revolt could muster up. (My opinion)

I did have the same feelings you had in the early 90's, but someone on a different social media platform, informed me about modern weapons, and felt he had a valid point. The U.S. Patriots as brave as they were had a lot of help from the French to defeat the British, so keep that in mind.

My personal opinion is, those that rise up and fight against the system, will be caught up in a foolish fight, although courages, and dutiful, didn't accomplish what their hope was.

Not sure how true this, but there is a letter that seems to ring true.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…

We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”"

https://safenetforum.org/t/albert-pikes-three-world-war-letter-1871/22051


Some Bible verses that came to mind...

Matthew 26:52

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Mathew 25

“1 At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.

2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.

3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.

4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.

5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.


Looks like a good idea have plenty of oil and not to buy and sell in the cities, so thank God, I'm gonna be a country boy one day, or at least I hope soon.


 

kinda

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I realize you asked this days ago, but do not see that anyone responded on this page, which is
where I landed when I clicked the link for this thread. I looked up pine needle tea and found this:


Pine needle tea has been considered an important medicinal tool for indigenous cultures for thousands of years. While formal research is somewhat limited on the subject, the anecdotal evidence of its benefits is undeniable: maximizing the immune system, improving vision, preventing respiratory infections, stimulating circulation, avoiding chronic disease, increasing cognitive performance, strengthening heart health, and speeding healing. With more than a hundred varieties of pine trees in North America alone, you must use the correct pine needles, as some varieties may contain toxins or cause negative side effects. source
Magenta, you are gonna make me drink pine needle tea now, it better not by the toxic kind though.

Don't be a stranger!
 
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except it seems a little outdated. I read that AstraZeneca started trials again after it was confirmed that the person with the neurological disorder was given a placebo thus ruling out the vaccine as the cause. This article does not seem to have that information. Maybe I am wrong. It deservers further research but I don't plan on getting the AstraZeneca one anyway, it uses the old technology of virus cultures and I am interested in the new mRNA method when it is available in my area for the general public.
Yes, the link is outdated, doesn't stop folks from using it as source.
 
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I pretty much see the devil operating through communism and putting people into submission to evil, Christians persecuted etc.
Yes, the communists are everywhere and they are after you. This is what you need to do, find a basement and lock yourself in it, keep very quiet. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out.
 

Magenta

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Yeah pretty much only I do not use sunscreen. We have been taking D3 for years.

For sure if there is no profit there is no interest. You know what they say,
"Prevention is worth a pound of cure", but apparently not to the pill peddlers.
Yeah, that is one reason why multinational pharmaceutical companies are so vilified by many.

And it is no secret they are trying very hard to gain legal ownership of water o_O

They even tried to squash the organics' industry, and convinced our government at one point that we were not qualified to diagnose whether or not we needed Vitamin C, and our government was threatening to have it removed from store shelves as a result, and make us go to the doctor (when our health cars system is-by many accounts- already over-burdened) to get a prescription for a measly 5 mg if we wanted to take Vitamin C :oops::censored::rolleyes: When I am taking Vitamin C, I take 1k mgs at a time :D:giggle:

It did cause me to wonder where such madness would end... doc appts and prescriptions for water?

PS~ thankfully this initiative was squashed due to the great outcry that arose from the public sector :)(y):)

I collected over 70 signatures in protest, also :D

PS~ 20 pages behind is where I landed when I clicked the link for this thread :unsure:
 

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lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),

2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,
Um, what the heck are these, and from where/how are they sourced? :unsure::oops::unsure:
 
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It is quite strange for CIA to have a office in Hollywood. And I dare not saying anything more.
Well, I just explained one reason, so it is ok to dare to say it. :) It is well known. And a good idea. CIA focuses on intelligence gathering in other countries and American Interests abroad. I think it might be NSA, Homeland, and other organizations that are focused on national issues. Obviously the collaborate where needed. These are all some of the best organizations in the world and working for your security and benefit. I believe it is Hollywood that has influenced you to think they are evil and your enemy. You will never know just exactly how much you owe to the brave men and women that work for these organizations.

America IS Great!
 
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Ok. But what would you be willing to do to secure those rights for your fellow citizens that refuse the poison?
I don't understand the question. I got an xray from a clinic on my hand yesterday. The nurse said they got the Moderna vaccine in and she is not sure that she will take it because of it being new technology. She said no one in her chain of clinics or anyone in the city hospitals that she knows of is being told that it will be mandatory.

So what if scenarios aside, lets see what happens. I support peoples rights to sue their businesses if told that they will be terminated for not getting a vaccine. I doubt there will that many attempt to force vaccines on their employees. I am sure it will happen and we will hear about the court cases that will then be filed as a result and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
 
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Um, what the heck are these, and from where/how are they sourced? :unsure::oops::unsure:
Lipids for protecting the mRNA long enough to read it before it is eliminated.
Salts and sugars for the other stuff.
  • Active Ingredient
    • nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) encoding the viral spike glycoprotein (S) of SARS-CoV-2
  • Lipids
    • (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015)
    • (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159)
    • 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC)
    • cholesterol
  • Salts
    • potassium chloride
    • monobasic potassium phosphate
    • sodium chloride
    • basic sodium phosphate dihydrate
  • Other
    • sucrose
The lipids
The Pfizer vaccine, like one from Moderna, uses lipid nanoparticles to encase the RNA. The nanoparticles are, basically, tiny greasy spheres that protect the mRNA and help it slide inside cells.

These particles are probably around 100 nanometers across. Curiously, that’s about the same size as the coronavirus itself.

Pfizer says it uses four different lipids in a “defined ratio.” The lipid ALC-0315 is the primary ingredient in the formulation. That’s because it’s ionizable—it can be given a positive charge, and since the RNA has a negative one, they stick together. It's also a component that can cause side-effects or allergic reactions. The other lipids, one of which is the familiar molecule cholesterol, are “helpers” that give structural integrity to the nanoparticles or stop them from clumping. During manufacturing, the RNA and the lipids are stirred into a bubbly mix to form what the FDA describes as a “white to off-white” frozen liquid.

Salts
The Pfizer vaccine contains four salts, one of which is ordinary table salt. Together, these salts are better known as phosphate-buffered saline, or PBS, a very common ingredient that keeps the pH, or acidity, of the vaccine close to that of a person’s body. You’ll understand how important that is if you’ve ever squeezed lemon juice on a cut. Substances with the wrong acidity can injure cells or get quickly degraded.

Sugar
The vaccine includes plain old sugar, also called sucrose. It’s acting here as a cryoprotectant to safeguard the nanoparticles when they’re frozen and stop them from sticking together.

Saline solution
Before injection, the vaccine is mixed with water containing sodium chloride, or ordinary salt, just as many intravenously delivered drugs are. Again, the idea is that the injection should more or less match the salt content of the blood.

No preservatives
Pfizer makes a point of saying its mixture of lipid nanoparticles and mRNA is “preservative-free.” That’s because a preservative that’s been used in other vaccines, thimerosal (which contains mercury and is there to kill any bacteria that might contaminate a vial), has been at the center of worries around over whether vaccines cause autism. The US Centers for Disease Control says thimerosal is safe; despite that, its use is being phased out. There is no thimerosal—or any other preservative—in the Pfizer vaccine. No microchips, either.
 
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