Hey Akwatukee,
Hope the Lord is giving you a good day. Alright, here we go
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What scripture said that the Wrath of God encompasses the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls of "Wrath?" Otherwise it's a self conceived assumption that's being read into scripture.
If anything, it does mention the Day of the Wrath of God after the 6th seal is broken:
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation 6:17)
The 7th trumpet also aligns with the Wrath that "is come" (KJV), or "has come" (CJB) in
Rev. 11:18:
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
If the Wrath of God consists of all the seals, then why didn't they mention that at the beginning. Noticed your greek interpretation and it doesn't make sense when you look at the context of the opening of the seals as a whole, let alone verse 17 listed above. Which speaks about the "great day of his wrath is come," or "has come." Context!
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As I have posted many times the "has come" in the 'aorist indicative active' tense which means that God's wrath in it's entirety is what is in view in the announcement and not just what follows. This is demonstrated in Rev.11:18 which also speaks of God's wrath in its entirety. You can't have two starting points of wrath. The problem is that when people read "the great day of their wrath has come" they interpret it as meaning that God's wrath begins after the announcement, which is false. By this interpretation, it allows them to put the church on the earth during the first six seals, which again is false. The announcement of wrath also includes the seals and their fatalities that will have previously taken place, which would equal approximately 2 billion people killed. We also have to take note of who is opening the seals and is thereby responsible for all of those fatalities, which is the Lamb/Jesus. If I was to paraphrase, it would go something like the following:
"For the great day of Their wrath has come which is the reason for the previous fatalities, as well as the fatalities from the wrath that is yet to come and who is able to withstand it?”
It specifically said that the Wrath of God is poured out from bowls/or vials. Doesn't say that the seals and trumpets are poured out.
When reading Revelation, it is important to pay attention to all of the details. Below is the scripture"
"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the
seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."
According to the scripture above, the seven bowl judgments as a unit, are the
last plagues and
complete God's wrath. Consequently, if the seven bowls are said to be last, then it would infer that other wrath would have to come first or before them. If I say that "I was last in line to buy my concert tickets," it would mean that other people were in front of me, because I was last. It is the same meaning here. If the bowls are the last of God's wrath, then other wrath would have had to come before them, which would be the seals and trumpet judgments.
Man, I don't see how you can just crank these out fast, unless you just have it saved and just paste it. Might have to talk point by point.
Not to brag or anything, but as soon as I read your post, the Spirit has already brought the scriptures to mind, as well as the answers. I do not have anything saved where I just copy and paste. Most of them I respond to are off the top of my head. I do however have to go to the scripture for chapter and verse, because I don't know all of their locations off the top of my head.
Specifically, where in scripture does it talk about pre-trib rapture? That's the root of all this. There's no clear scripture stating so, unless we use and twist other scriptures to fit that doctrine.
All of these answers that I have been giving you, come from over 45 years of study in the word of God. The Lord first called me at age 14 and I was immediately drawn to end-time events and have been studying it ever since. The answers to the pre-trib gathering, come from utilizing all of the scriptures relating to that event and not just some. This is why I am always teaching that the church cannot and will not go through God's wrath and that because Jesus already satisfied it. Everything that God does is a legal process, that is a legal precedent. Therefore, since God's wrath has already been satisfied by Christ, then the wrath of God no longer rests upon the believer, which is why we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. If someone pays off your mortgage in full and the bank tells you that your mortgage has been paid, would you continue to send in your mortgage payments? And will the bank who had the lien on your house continue to demand payments from you? Of course not! It is the same here. Jesus satisfied that legal precedent of God's wrath because of our sins, by taking God's wrath upon himself. Wrath fulfilled! Therefore, God's wrath no longer rests upon those who are in Christ. Through faith in Christ, we have been credited with His righteousness and reconciled to God. If believers were to go through God's wrath the same as the wicked, then it would mean that the wrath that Jesus suffered on our behalf would have been in vain.
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