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well said my friend. its a logical fallacy to dismiss something as a conspiracy without fact checking and going through the information first. a lot of people just like to put their logic before their grammar and that's unfortunately how were nrought up to learn. were taught what to think and not how to think. its important people take a course in the trivium. its grammar, logic, rhetoric. in that order. you have to have you information and apply logic and critical thinking before coming to a rational decision. a wise man once said, "approach every situation with ignorance."
 
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It's great that someone on a Christian site finally opened their mind to have an open discussion about these topics. The greatest accomplishment of Satan was to convince the world that he does not exist. The Masonic organization of the US and world is the greatest tool that ever existed for Satan each member basically has to swear allegiance to two masters but the most important is Satan, unfortunately they are blindly told what to do to succeed what tasks to perform but the members don't find out they are Satan worshipers until they reach the 33rd degree. It is important to me for Christians to get informed about this because just about every city in The US has a lodge. 90% of elected democrats are masons and 80% of Republicans are as well. I will not vote for anyone that I cannot determine is not part of Satans minions. However if anyone has ever known a mason in their family you will know that most elected officials only got elected because they are masons. So for Christians to refer to things like this shows to me they really have to question their belief in the Bible because really this is what Revelation is all about. It's mortifying to me. Yes we should all focus on producing fruits of our labor for the kingdom of God that is all we can control. However conspiracies aren't conspiracies if they are truth, but it is a way to demean Gods providence when more insightful, questioning minds point out to you evil and lies and are then laughed at like a doubting Thomas the church risks enabling Satans work because you can't face facts( not theories) because the truth does not fit in your rose colored glasses. Thank you for finally having this discussion you cannot fight the enemy if you don't know who, what, and where he is.
 
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"Christian discernment on real conspiracy, corruption, greed, agendas, etc."

As a believer in biblical things, this is what the wicked do. If a believer reads the "wisdom books" in the Bible, one learns what the wicked are like. How they live, what they do, how they think, etc. There is nothing new under the sun. It's just that the evil world is getting even worse every year that's all. The satanic agenda of globalization has been active for many decades, because the evil forces of this world have been gradually preparing the nations for a major all-out assault against God and the truth itself. That's why they have enticed governments to make unjust laws, create/get involve in unjust wars, etc. If a believer recognizes the hand of God in one's life, the believer can also recognize the hand of evil all around.
There is a leader for them.He is the father of lies and the author of confusion.But its not going to repeat over and over.There is an end.

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."
 
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Conspiracy is only a word used to discredit legitimate facts or rational opinions.
Truth be told America is probably having the worst dis-info spread inside it then any other country in the world.
That is an under statement.You should travel more often and live with common people in other nations.You will learn a lot.The more you look into the pit,you will become the pit.
 
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

If I could focus one one thing that could educate people (because I could literally write a book) -- it would be to allude to the practice of hypnotic suggestion. In my clinical experience working with people who suffer from mental illness, I have seen the full spectrum of how the mind operates and it's weaknesses. Much of what the mind processes is in the subconscious, our conscious thinking is like the tip of an iceberg. Hypnotic suggestion is a nefarious part of our society. This is no joke, and most people have no idea how this works. TV Advertisements are nothing more than an experience of hypnosis. Have you ever seen when a special announcement comes on TV and they count down: ten, nine, eight etc. Why the count down? It's to put you in a hypnotic state where you are suggestible to what you are about to be told. Have you seen the moving colors, twirling on the TV -I can't even describe all of ways they do this, there are so many. The symbols are implanted over and over again and they are speaking to your subconscious mind. This is a very dangerous and effective tool of Satan. He has been implanting 'programming' in you and your children that has great power. On the very severe end of the spectrum, German Nazi scientists were splitting people's minds and creating dissociative states years ago, and these techniques are applied today on a grand scale. By traumatizing the public through economic upheaval, for instance, people are primed through trauma to operate on a more fundamental level - making hypnotic suggestion more effective. Think about it, if we are constantly bombarded with fear, and things to fear, the primitive mind is operating more as we move to panic mode 'fight or flight' -- this causes degrees of dissociation (a natural protective mechanism that can be exploited) in which subconscious suggestions are more easily placed. Swallowing the devil's bait with mouths wide open. I've worked with survivors of Satanic Ritual Abuse from time to time, and it's all about this - first trauma and fear, dissociation, then the programmer implants symbols and colors to which the child will always respond. Pink, you're small, and timid, afraid. Blue, you're a protector. Red, you're a sexual subordinate and will comply. I know these are extreme examples, but if you watch cartoons, look for the constant uses of hypnosis and the symbols/colors/themes. I tend to think most Christians naturally avoid this type of thing through their protections, but this is not the case for a lot of other people who keep buying products, worshipping idols, and essentially become powerless to those seductions peddled in consumer America.
 
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That is an under statement.You should travel more often and live with common people in other nations.You will learn a lot.The more you look into the pit,you will become the pit.
And the disinformation creates confusion and fear. Aliens, Ascended Masters, Illuminati, HAARP, Middle Earth, Shadow People, Men in Black, Black helicopters, and on and on and on. I have wondered if money is behind the sites, and maybe from the originators, but the people who buy into this I truly have no rational explanation for what this does for them. It's like brainwashing and while they're distracted into these areas, the real threats in their lives go un-noticed. Distraction campaigns.
 
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RE: The Masons discussion. I found out many years ago they were
not a good organization and Christians must not be a part of it.
Okay, My dad was one. He didn't get very far, and finally he quit
attending. My mom said when he got older a mason would come to
the apartment and discuss letting them do the masonic funeral.
She told him, it was not going to happen because her children, (my
brother and I ) did not believe in them and would not permit it. The
man would not give up easily. But dad was put away with a Christian
funeral. Praise God.

Now this is for Danalee. I agree with you on some things Danalee,
but not all. Illuminati is very real. I am not even going to tell you
what to look for, or who is in it and why..... I am sure you know
all of that. I am upset right now regarding a father that has
followed his daughter into her ungodly acts, called, entertainment.

One thing you did not mention and I would like to ask if you noticed
this. The new red/white/blue circle logo ? I mean it started back
when Obama was first on the scene. I have watched many ads and
see logos on many things and it is IMO, getting people ready for
what is soon to bring in the World Leader.

J~K~2

 
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thank you for finally recognizing that conspiracy theory very often leads to new age nonsense...at least one person here hasn't been honest enough to admit that fact...

however the truth is that conspiracy theory so often leads people into the new age movement because the new age movement is the most quintessential expression of the postmodern deconstructionist worldview that underlies conspiracy theory...there is so much intermingling between conspiracy theory and the new age movement because they go hand in hand under the same epistemological umbrella...
Attached is a link of old PROVEN US Government Conspiracy theory notice how Christians were not known for helping any of these people or exposing the evil. Just imagine how much more advanced they have come along if this is what the thought up 60-80 years ago.

Top 5 Conspiracy Theories That Are True! | Think Tank - YouTube

ALSO Revelation is the Greatest Conspiracy Theory but it has not let me to the New Age Movement it has lead me to Christ.

Even though Chaplin Lindsey below does not realize the timing is incorrect in his statements, 2016 is the last stage of the Affordable Care Act when employers are mandated, he is dead on right. David Rockefeller himself has stated that 2017 will be the worst recession the US has seen in the last 50 years, below us what is planned PAYOFF your debts. The Global Currency Reset, next step is to hook the US up to the WHO, the IMF will become the world Central Bank. Obama has funded more money than ANY other president in history to the IMF since the beginning of his reign. Protect your 401k in 2016 go get some understanding as to what Reverse ETFs are that are based on the Dow or S&P. Prepare yourself!!

Lindsey Williams **Global Currency Reset** on Goldseek Radio with Chris Waltzek - 4th December 2013 - YouTube
 
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Brenda8

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Try watching the Walter Veith series Total Onslaught it provides a lot of useful information on today's happenings in our government and around the world.
 
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There are many evil people doing evil things not to just Christians but other religions as well whom do not know they are being used in the enemy's plans to have a new world order at their expense when the greedy plans get foiled as they are and have been foiled once before it will be good to have The one true God reign King of Kings across his lands.
 

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[h=3]You may check this link. Karen Hudes for 20 years work at the world bank as a legal counsel.
Now as whistle blower, She has a document that 60% US federal tax goes to Vatican.
Follow the money flow than we know who is the boss. If the money goes to Vatican than probably
Vatican is New world order Boss.


Sixty percent of our taxes goes to the Vatican - Detroit Traditionalist ...www.examiner.com/article/sixty-percent-of-our-taxes-go-to-the-vatican‎




Sixty percent of our taxes goes to the Vatican - Detroit Traditionalist ...
[/h]www.examiner.com/article/sixty-percent-of-our-taxes-go-to-the-vatican




 

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[h=2]Whistleblower expose Jesuit and Vatican ties to banking corruption[/h]Written by Sean Anthony



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On the most recent episode of Flow of Wisdom Radio, I had an opportunity to interview Mrs. Karen Hudes. Karen served as the Sr. Council for the World Bank for at least two decades. During her tenor at the World Bank she uncovers corruption and was then fired illegally.

During the interview, we discuss how the Jesuits and the Vatican is a core component to the corruption involving the World Bank and 60% of the U.S. tax revenue goes to the Vatican.
Another point she mentioned was Germany requested to receive their gold which is being held by the Federal Reserve and they denied Germany and told them they need to wait for seven years, which is an act of war. And because of that, Germany no longer shares its intelligence with the U.S.
She also brought up the fact that a nuclear bomb was ignited 600 miles off the coast of South Carolina several weeks ago and high-ranking officials were fired for going against orders to ignite the bomb on land that would have caused thousands of casualties on American soil.
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Honestly, I have to admit that I am very surprised to see this on such a sight. This was the last thing I expected to come across. I thought this would be a lot of fluff and light stuff that is found everywhere else. That being said, I must say, Bravo!! It took a lot of courage to start a topic like this and I am glad you did.

Yes, there are is a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of it is put out purposely to invoke fear and sometimes just for shock value. I just began to learn about this whole other world in 2010 and it has completely knocked me off my feet, but in a good way. It has brought me much closer to God, mainly because what I have learned has proved that the word of God is true. When I was younger, I thought of the bible as a history book. But since the definition of news is a current event and I see bible prophecy coming to pass so often, I had to change my view of the bible. It's deep, really, really deep!!
 
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Honestly, I have to admit that I am very surprised to see this on such a sight. This was the last thing I expected to come across. I thought this would be a lot of fluff and light stuff that is found everywhere else. That being said, I must say, Bravo!! It took a lot of courage to start a topic like this and I am glad you did.

Yes, there are is a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of it is put out purposely to invoke fear and sometimes just for shock value. I just began to learn about this whole other world in 2010 and it has completely knocked me off my feet, but in a good way. It has brought me much closer to God, mainly because what I have learned has proved that the word of God is true. When I was younger, I thought of the bible as a history book. But since the definition of news is a current event and I see bible prophecy coming to pass so often, I had to chance my view of the bible. It's deep, really, really deep!!
Hi there, Ms. DeeDee: Good to see you here; yes, 'Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path' (Psalm 119.105) is a good guide to the contemporary world!

Hope you will enjoy finding your way around the site.

Blessings.
 

Jackson123

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Check This link, what in the world Dr Alberto Rivera know 20 years prior to the first President of United state sworn west wing of the capitol building so he can face toward obelisk, symbol of King of the earth.

Dr Alberto Rivera said this is a declaration that Jesuit take over all the American Church.


I repeat one more time Dr Alberto Rivera write 20 years prior to the incident.



[h=3]Kings of the Earth - Seawaves.us[/h]www.seawaves.us/na/koe/kings.html‎






Reagan was sworn into office on Jan 20, 1981 on the WEST WING of the Capitol Building, all previous Presidents took their oath of office on the East side of the building. This was done so that Reagan would face the Washington Monument
(obelisk) during his swearing in ceremony as President of the United States.

Twenty years earlier Ex-Jesuit Priest Alberto Rivera informed the world that when the Jesuits had completely taken over ALL the American Christian Churches an American President would be sworn into office facing an obelisk as a sign.

What do you think of your separation of Church and State now America?


 
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Is Jesus not enough? Is HIS finished work on the cross not enough? was the life he lived , the blood he shed, and the spirit he gave not enough? Was the FACT that he raised from the dead not enough? This is no conspiracy, it's a lie created to get you to loose faith in the truth.....Matthew 28:12 "When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' and you either believe the truth or the lie.....It's interesting to see that Jesus calls himself 'The Truth' and calls the devil 'THE father of Lies'.....If were to ask many who built the pyramids in Egypt, many would say Egyptians, but they didn't, they had them built by slaves, and many of those slaves were Hebrews........ If we ask who created Earth and everything in it, most Christians would say God, but many would argue if it was Jesus who actually did it and argue the deity of Jesus Christ.... A deist is someone who believes in a creator, but not in particularly any specific God... Hence they don't recognize,(I should rather say, they undermined), the authority of the true and Only God even after it's been revealed to them....and this is exactly what freemasons and all organizations connected to them are about....Which is exactly what the priest did in Matthew 28, they knew they were teaching and spreading a lie, and they paid soldiers to spread those lies..... we call this propaganda I think, God calls it lies..... There is only ONE truth and he has a name 'THE truth" is Jesus.... Jesus is Not a deist, he is 'THE' creator the bible teaches.... So how can an organization, or person, who uses the bible as there 'holy book' deny the deity of Christ? But this is exactly what freemasonry does, and all affiliated organizations.... This is not theory nor conspiracy, it's well known this is exactly what they do....So how can you be a Christian and a freemason?.... You can't is the very simple answer.... nor can you be a member of any other organization that puts Jesus in lower position then on his rightful throne as the LORD of ALL and continue to follow Jesus....We see this in simple college fraternities and sorties, how many young believers faith has been shipwrecked because they took oaths and allegiances to organizations they don't do the will of the father.... how much more when you take them to occult organizations such of freemasonry, eastern stars, elks club, moose, eagles, lions, order of the arrow, and the list goes on and on.... Jesus doesn't ask us swear oaths or make promises, he advises strongly against it actually (Matthew 5:34). HOW CAN WE BE SO BLIND!!!! This is not conspiracy theory, this is truth. This is and excerpt of one of the greatest revivalist (Charles Finney) after being converted to Christ..... [h=3]Features of an Anti-Christ[/h] Judging from unquestionable evidences, how can we fail to pronounce Freemasonry an unchristian institution? We can see that its morality is unchristian. Its oath-bound secrecy is unchristian. The administration and taking of its oaths are unchristian and a violation of the positive command of Christ. And Masonic oaths pledge its members to some of the most unlawful and unchristian things:
1. To conceal each other's crimes.
2. To deliver each other from difficulty, whether right or wrong.
3. To unduly favor Masonry in political action and in business matters.
4. Its members are sworn to retaliate and persecute unto death the violators of Masonic obligations.
5. Freemasonry knows no mercy, and swears its candidates to avenge violations of Masonic obligations unto death.
6. Its oaths are profane, taking the Name of God in vain.
7. The penalties of these oaths are barbarous, even savage.
8. Its teachings are false and profane.
9. Its designs are partial and selfish.
10. Its ceremonies are a mixture of puerility and profanity.
11. Its religion is false.
12. It professes to save men on other conditions than those revealed in the Gospel of Christ.
13. It is wholly an enormous falsehood.
14. It is a swindle, obtaining money from its members under false pretenses.
15. It refuses all examinations, and veils itself under a mantle of oath-bound secrecy.

16. It is virtual conspiracy against both Church and State.


[h=3]The man of God, D.L. Moody wrote:[/h]
"I do not see how any Christian, most of all a Christian minister, can go into these secret lodges with unbelievers. They say they can have more influence for good, but I say that they can have more influence for good by staying out of them and reproving their evil deeds. You can never reform anything by unequally yoking yourself to ungodly men.
True reformers separate themselves from the world. But, some say to me, if you talk that way you will drive all the members of secret societies out of your meetings and out of your churches. But what if I did? Better men will take their places.
Give them the truth anyway, and if they would rather leave their churches than their lodges, the sooner they get out of their churches the better. I would rather have ten members who are separated from the world than a thousand such members! Come out from the lodge. Better one with God than a thousand without Him! We must walk with God, and if only one or two go with us, it is all right. Do not let down the standard to suit men who love their secret lodges or have some darling sin they will not give up!"
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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this study actually reveals nothing of the sort...instead the 'spirit science' blog has just misrepresented the study's findings...which would not be the first time conspiracy theorists have blatantly misrepresented things...

here is the full text of the study itself... Frontiers | “What about building 7?” A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories | Personality and Social Psychology

the study actually makes no direct statements at all about the sanity of conspiracy theorists or their opponents...and if anything you find scattered remarks that would logically imply that conspiracy theorists are less than rational...for example...

"Indeed, Wood et al. (2012) demonstrated that even beliefs in directly contradictory conspiracy theories were positively correlated with one another, indicating that conspiracy beliefs may be held together not by direct agreement with one another, but by mutual agreement with higher-order beliefs about the world."

but the most interesting quotation comes right at the end of the paper...

"For many conspiracists, there are two worlds: one real and (mostly) unseen, the other a sinister illusion meant to cover up the truth; and evidence against the latter is evidence for the former."

interestingly this is a strongly gnostic view of the world...reinforcing the connection between conspiracy theory and new ageism...

which brings us back full circle to the blog that misrepresented this paper in the first place...it is a new age site that promotes things like 'sacred geometry' and 'crystal healing'
 

SoulWeaver

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it is a new age site that promotes things like 'sacred geometry' and 'crystal healing'
Funny, but conspiracy theorists often embrace things that the "evil elites" are heavily involved into and live by... :)
I'll never understand.
 

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The media has led us to believe that conspiracy means crazy or stupid. Conspiracy just means when two or more plan to do something. Courts prosecute several thousand people a day for "conspiring". Like another man here said, theory is unproven ideals. If you have trouble believing in conspiracies, read your bible. Since the beginning of time men have conspired to suppress, oppress or even kill other men. Conspired to fool, brainwash and cover-up. And it doesn't take a genius to see satan's fingerprints all over a typical mass anti-human plan. They always involve lies, secrecy, greed, threat of violence, usually actual violence, degradation, fear tactics etc.
Example: The constitution says "no federal taxes can be made mandatory" I think there is a huge conspiracy there, going back to 1913. If you want to feel it, read the constitution in one hand while you read your paystub in the other. :D
 
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