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Hello Cameron,
At regeneration we are given a new heart Ezk 36;25-27 and the law of God are included in that transplant
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
We are indwelt with the Spirit in order to commune with the triune God. This happens by the Spirit enabling us to receive or welcome Divine truth, ie, God's law /word...not for justification, but rather so we can obey and please God in our Kingdom service,
Heb12:
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
The reigning power of sin has been broken, and we welcome the law word of God which enables us to now mortify the deeds of the body and free's us to obey as was Paul's desire in rom 7:
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The Law is now, Loves eyes. as In psalm 119. and psalm 1
At regeneration we are given a new heart Ezk 36;25-27 and the law of God are included in that transplant
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
We are indwelt with the Spirit in order to commune with the triune God. This happens by the Spirit enabling us to receive or welcome Divine truth, ie, God's law /word...not for justification, but rather so we can obey and please God in our Kingdom service,
Heb12:
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
The reigning power of sin has been broken, and we welcome the law word of God which enables us to now mortify the deeds of the body and free's us to obey as was Paul's desire in rom 7:
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
The Law is now, Loves eyes. as In psalm 119. and psalm 1
All this is awesome stuff. But it's just words. Flesh it out for me. What does it look like in reality. What do you do to walk in the Spirit? In Revelation 1 the Apostle says he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. What was true of Him in this estate? How did he enter into this estate? How did he maintain this estate?
Also, you didn't answer my 2nd question: what is required of an individual to keep the 1st commandment? Please list everything that is required.
Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.
Also, you didn't answer my 2nd question: what is required of an individual to keep the 1st commandment? Please list everything that is required.
Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.
Hello C,
We agree on most things in scripture as far as I can tell. I am just trying to offer some fine tuning that I myself have to be mindful of.
It is a big topic, and I find it an ongoing battle to come to grips with on many fronts as we are commanded to do in many ways, such as:
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
I want to offer you something from A Baptist Catechism with Commentary by W.R.Downing,
I might have to send it in parts, or a link to another site...let me try it in parts
We agree on most things in scripture as far as I can tell. I am just trying to offer some fine tuning that I myself have to be mindful of.
It is a big topic, and I find it an ongoing battle to come to grips with on many fronts as we are commanded to do in many ways, such as:
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
I want to offer you something from A Baptist Catechism with Commentary by W.R.Downing,
I might have to send it in parts, or a link to another site...let me try it in parts
Quest. 44: What is the First Commandment? Ans: The First Commandment is, “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (Ex. 20:1–3) Quest. 45: What is the significance of the First Commandment?
Ans: The First Commandment requires man to know and worship God, and to acknowledge him to be the only true God in every sphere of life. See also: Gen. 1:1–3; 39:8–9; Deut. 4:28; 5:6–7; 6:4–5; 26:17–18; 32:15–21; Josh. 24:14–15; 2 Sam. 22:32; 1 Kgs. 18:21; 2 Kgs. 19:15; 1 Chron. 28:9; Psa. 14:1; 66:18; 81:8–16; 96:4–10; 139; Isa. 40:15– 31; Matt. 4:10; 6:24; Rom. 1:18–22; 11:33–36; 1 Cor. 8:4–6; Phil. 2:9– 11; Heb. 1:2–12; Rev. 1:10–18; 4:8–11.
COMMENTARY The First Commandment forms an introduction to the remainder of the Decalogue through the self–revelation of God, and is divided into three parts: a revelation of the Lord God, a declaration of deliverance with power and a perpetual prohibition against any and all false “gods.” God is absolute, and thus his rights over man in his Word are absolute. Because God is absolute, and every fact is created and defined by God, the whole realm of created reality and humanity is sacred, i.e., it cannot be divided into “secular” and “sacred.” Everything without exception exists by and for God, and is to glorify him. He is to be absolutely sovereign over every sphere of life and activity. Thus, the acknowledgement of, and submission and obedience to God in every sphere of life is the very essence of worship.
This commandment prohibits any deviation from or perversion of the self–revelation of the Lord God of Scripture, including: atheism [no God], polytheism [many gods], dualism [equal good and evil principles vying for control of the universe], pantheism [God synonymous and inseparable from creation], panentheism [a mixture of theism and pantheism holding that God is the universe and yet more than the universe, a complex being who is himself in the process of change], idolatry, and also religious ignorance, neutrality and hypocrisy. Whatever is first in one’s life is his “god,” 95 demanding his time, his thoughts, his resources and his energies. Not all idols are made of sticks or stone, or of gold or silver. Some are mental or constitute a heart–idolatry. Anyone or thing which becomes an end in itself becomes an idol (1 Cor. 10:31; Col. 3:5). God rightfully demands that he be our one great priority. Although this commandment is framed in the negative, it enjoins certain positive duties:
first, God must have absolute priority in the thoughts, actions and worship of every man in every sphere of life and activity. That is his sovereign right as Creator and Ruler of this universe (Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 10:31).
Second, man must know God. As God is infinite and man is finite, he can only know God as he has been pleased to reveal himself in both nature and Scripture (Rom. 1:18–25; 2 Tim. 3:16–17).
Third, man must fear God. To know God properly through his self– revelation is to fear him. This fear is a reverential fear which is consistent with a reverential love and awe. To fear him leads man to worship him (Ex. 20:20; Dt. 6:2, 4–5; 13:4; Psa. 86:11; Eccl. 12:13–14; Matt. 22:36–40). The Israelites were taught to fear God as he judged the “gods” of Egypt in the plagues and delivered them by a mighty hand (Ex. 3:19–20; 6:6; 9:13–14; 11:9; 12:12; Rom. 9:17). Believers are taught to fear God by reading his Word, realizing his power, his hatred of sin, his absolute holiness and righteousness, and experiencing his chastening hand (Heb. 12:3–12).
Fourth, the one true God must be the sole and true object of man’s worship. This necessarily demands heart–worship and not mere outward religion, as true worship begins in the heart and mind (Dt. 4:29; 10:16; 6:4–5; Psa. 19:8, 14; 37:13; Matt. 22:37; Rom. 2:28–29).
Fifth, to scripturally worship God, fallen, sinful man must approach him through the Lord Jesus Christ as Mediator, Redeemer, Savior, Surety and Great High Priest. The truth of the Gospel is an essential part of God’s Law– Word (Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Tim. 2:5).
Sixth, worship implies service. Our Lord knew this in the Wilderness Temptation (Matt. 4:8–10). True worship cannot remain theoretical, abstract or detached from the remainder of the life, but must be expressed in the totality of the life (Ex. 20:5; Dt. 11:13; Rom. 12:1–2). Does God have the priority in our lives? Is our worship theoretical or expressed in service?
Ans: The First Commandment requires man to know and worship God, and to acknowledge him to be the only true God in every sphere of life. See also: Gen. 1:1–3; 39:8–9; Deut. 4:28; 5:6–7; 6:4–5; 26:17–18; 32:15–21; Josh. 24:14–15; 2 Sam. 22:32; 1 Kgs. 18:21; 2 Kgs. 19:15; 1 Chron. 28:9; Psa. 14:1; 66:18; 81:8–16; 96:4–10; 139; Isa. 40:15– 31; Matt. 4:10; 6:24; Rom. 1:18–22; 11:33–36; 1 Cor. 8:4–6; Phil. 2:9– 11; Heb. 1:2–12; Rev. 1:10–18; 4:8–11.
COMMENTARY The First Commandment forms an introduction to the remainder of the Decalogue through the self–revelation of God, and is divided into three parts: a revelation of the Lord God, a declaration of deliverance with power and a perpetual prohibition against any and all false “gods.” God is absolute, and thus his rights over man in his Word are absolute. Because God is absolute, and every fact is created and defined by God, the whole realm of created reality and humanity is sacred, i.e., it cannot be divided into “secular” and “sacred.” Everything without exception exists by and for God, and is to glorify him. He is to be absolutely sovereign over every sphere of life and activity. Thus, the acknowledgement of, and submission and obedience to God in every sphere of life is the very essence of worship.
This commandment prohibits any deviation from or perversion of the self–revelation of the Lord God of Scripture, including: atheism [no God], polytheism [many gods], dualism [equal good and evil principles vying for control of the universe], pantheism [God synonymous and inseparable from creation], panentheism [a mixture of theism and pantheism holding that God is the universe and yet more than the universe, a complex being who is himself in the process of change], idolatry, and also religious ignorance, neutrality and hypocrisy. Whatever is first in one’s life is his “god,” 95 demanding his time, his thoughts, his resources and his energies. Not all idols are made of sticks or stone, or of gold or silver. Some are mental or constitute a heart–idolatry. Anyone or thing which becomes an end in itself becomes an idol (1 Cor. 10:31; Col. 3:5). God rightfully demands that he be our one great priority. Although this commandment is framed in the negative, it enjoins certain positive duties:
first, God must have absolute priority in the thoughts, actions and worship of every man in every sphere of life and activity. That is his sovereign right as Creator and Ruler of this universe (Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 10:31).
Second, man must know God. As God is infinite and man is finite, he can only know God as he has been pleased to reveal himself in both nature and Scripture (Rom. 1:18–25; 2 Tim. 3:16–17).
Third, man must fear God. To know God properly through his self– revelation is to fear him. This fear is a reverential fear which is consistent with a reverential love and awe. To fear him leads man to worship him (Ex. 20:20; Dt. 6:2, 4–5; 13:4; Psa. 86:11; Eccl. 12:13–14; Matt. 22:36–40). The Israelites were taught to fear God as he judged the “gods” of Egypt in the plagues and delivered them by a mighty hand (Ex. 3:19–20; 6:6; 9:13–14; 11:9; 12:12; Rom. 9:17). Believers are taught to fear God by reading his Word, realizing his power, his hatred of sin, his absolute holiness and righteousness, and experiencing his chastening hand (Heb. 12:3–12).
Fourth, the one true God must be the sole and true object of man’s worship. This necessarily demands heart–worship and not mere outward religion, as true worship begins in the heart and mind (Dt. 4:29; 10:16; 6:4–5; Psa. 19:8, 14; 37:13; Matt. 22:37; Rom. 2:28–29).
Fifth, to scripturally worship God, fallen, sinful man must approach him through the Lord Jesus Christ as Mediator, Redeemer, Savior, Surety and Great High Priest. The truth of the Gospel is an essential part of God’s Law– Word (Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Tim. 2:5).
Sixth, worship implies service. Our Lord knew this in the Wilderness Temptation (Matt. 4:8–10). True worship cannot remain theoretical, abstract or detached from the remainder of the life, but must be expressed in the totality of the life (Ex. 20:5; Dt. 11:13; Rom. 12:1–2). Does God have the priority in our lives? Is our worship theoretical or expressed in service?
Cameron, you should buy this , and if you do not like it, I will buy it off of you,lol
on Amazon:
A Baptist Catechism with Commentary Paperback – August 24, 2009
by W.R.Downing (Author)
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on Amazon:
A Baptist Catechism with Commentary Paperback – August 24, 2009
by W.R.Downing (Author)
5.0 5.0 out of 5 stars 2
That's fine. And we do agree on most things. But I'm asking the questions I would like answered and my preference in how I would like them answered. You are under no obligation to answer, or answer in the way I prefer. But you just quoted me a verse about love. How are you fulfilling this commandment and won't even assent to my request? You are answering the way you prefer and not as I prefer. That's not other centered love. That's self love.
My purpose in going through this exercise isn't to highlight your sin or embarrass you in any regard. I am well aware of my own sinfulness. But there is a reality to walking in the Spirit. And when this is true, an individual is not sinning. They aren't sinning because they know what is required in the keeping of every commandment, but because they are under the control of the Spirit. In fact, my 2nd question was merely asked to show that it is impossible through our own endeavor to even understand all that a commandment requires, let alone perform it continuously and to the fullest.
So with that in mind, feel free or not to answer my questions. I'm good either way, and appreciate that you shared as you have.
My purpose in going through this exercise isn't to highlight your sin or embarrass you in any regard. I am well aware of my own sinfulness. But there is a reality to walking in the Spirit. And when this is true, an individual is not sinning. They aren't sinning because they know what is required in the keeping of every commandment, but because they are under the control of the Spirit. In fact, my 2nd question was merely asked to show that it is impossible through our own endeavor to even understand all that a commandment requires, let alone perform it continuously and to the fullest.
So with that in mind, feel free or not to answer my questions. I'm good either way, and appreciate that you shared as you have.
[QUOTE="Cameron143,
Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.[/QUOTE]
God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching fo scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.[/QUOTE]
God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching fo scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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[QUOTE="Cameron143,
Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.[/QUOTE]
God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching of scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
In other words, we are called to obedience of faith.
Rom16;19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Being indwelt by the Spirit, Christians who obey have a biblically educated conscience. being "led of the Spirit" is not as much a mystical thing, but rather a God consciousness...look in Eph 4 and 5. we used to sin, but now we walk in light, we used to steal, but now we work, etc...it happens as a result of seeking God in prayer, like the hymn, trust and obey;
Eph4:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Also, I'm not interested in scriptural references. I'm interested in your personal experience. You have an excellent grasp of scripture on the subject. I'm interested in your experience.[/QUOTE]
God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching of scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
In other words, we are called to obedience of faith.
Rom16;19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Being indwelt by the Spirit, Christians who obey have a biblically educated conscience. being "led of the Spirit" is not as much a mystical thing, but rather a God consciousness...look in Eph 4 and 5. we used to sin, but now we walk in light, we used to steal, but now we work, etc...it happens as a result of seeking God in prayer, like the hymn, trust and obey;
Eph4:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching fo scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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I appreciate your testimony. I never tire of hearing stories of grace. What I'm particularly interested in is how you walk in the Spirit. Anything on that is greatly appreciated.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching fo scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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I appreciate your testimony. I never tire of hearing stories of grace. What I'm particularly interested in is how you walk in the Spirit. Anything on that is greatly appreciated.
God has saved me from the sinful life I was living. I had wrong views on life, my worldview was self centered and unbiblical.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching of scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
In other words, we are called to obedience of faith.
Rom16;19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Being indwelt by the Spirit, Christians who obey have a biblically educated conscience. being "led of the Spirit" is not as much a mystical thing, but rather a God consciousness...look in Eph 4 and 5. we used to sin, but now we walk in light, we used to steal, but now we work, etc...it happens as a result of seeking God in prayer, like the hymn, trust and obey;
Eph4:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.[/QUOTE]
How does one do this? By keeping all the commandments top of mind, or by following after the Spirit? We don't focus on commandments, but by focusing on Christ and reacting appropriately in His strength. The fruit of the Spirit isn't something we adorn ourselves with, but the Spirit. We don't think...hey, I think I'll be gentle towards this individual; we simply respond in gentleness as the Spirit moves in us. Our endeavor isn't obedience, but to enter the presence of God wherein we are changed from glory to glory.
When God drew me savingingly to the lord jesus, i did not know anything biblically. I did not know for example, that there was an old testament, and a new testament. I did not know what the letters and numbers meant such as Jn 6;37.
I was completely ignorant of the teaching of scripture, and had started reading the bible to see what was in it so I could defend myself against Christians.
Over all I have come to find out that psalm 1 is exactly true, and have learned to commune with God through prayer, and bible study.
Mostly scriptural input, reading , lisitening to sermons,[sermonaudio], the means of grace, and fellowship of godly companions.
I drove a commercial vehicle coast to coast and have listened to many sermons during that time.
If godly men are preaching at a location, I have made a point to prayerfully attend those meetings , and if possible attend those meetings with a view to interact with these men and often receive correction on false ideas I might have entertained.
i do not have any simple 5 step plan , or secret to impart. I have been instructed by God, and am still looking to improve my understanding and service daily, like this;
Phil3:
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
In other words, we are called to obedience of faith.
Rom16;19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Being indwelt by the Spirit, Christians who obey have a biblically educated conscience. being "led of the Spirit" is not as much a mystical thing, but rather a God consciousness...look in Eph 4 and 5. we used to sin, but now we walk in light, we used to steal, but now we work, etc...it happens as a result of seeking God in prayer, like the hymn, trust and obey;
Eph4:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.[/QUOTE]
How does one do this? By keeping all the commandments top of mind, or by following after the Spirit? We don't focus on commandments, but by focusing on Christ and reacting appropriately in His strength. The fruit of the Spirit isn't something we adorn ourselves with, but the Spirit. We don't think...hey, I think I'll be gentle towards this individual; we simply respond in gentleness as the Spirit moves in us. Our endeavor isn't obedience, but to enter the presence of God wherein we are changed from glory to glory.
It's not 'good vs evil', it's this evil vs that evil. What makes it important to me is the Bible's numerous warnings that believers will be deceived by false prophets/teachers/leaders, some to the point of abandoning their faith. I don't want to see my brothers and sisters abandoning their faith, especially when they don't realize that they are doing it (hence the term 'deception'). So it is important, nay a calling, for me to point it out and render a warning. I'm not looking for bad stuff about the parties, I'm looking out for my brethren who are being deceived into unknowingly abandoning their faith. And that requires pointing out how it is happening, to expose the deception.
Hope you and yours are feeling better soon!
Hope you and yours are feeling better soon!