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Umm, you are contradicting yourself right there. Is that your final answer?

I thought Hillary won? Aren't you going around the board constantly pushing the tired leftist chestnut that Hillary won by 3 million votes? Isn't that what I've seen you say here, over and over? "Hillary didn't really lose!!!"

She either lost, or she didn't. It can't be both ways. According to you, she actually won. But above, you say the F.B.I. caused her to lose. If she "actually" won, then the F.B.I. can't be responsible for here loss.

I notice you are highly selective about which posts, and which questions you deal with. I still have a question to you hanging out there and I'd love to see you answer. I'll ask it again, in case you missed it:

How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God?
I have answered this in many discussions. I am a DEMOCRAT, not a liberal. I believe that liberals live in a fantasy world... and as far as the amoral ?. You hav'nt given me example to address. not one. stop generalizing.
 
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If nothing else, you are consistent. But you must not have done very well in American Governance when you were in high school.
Actually I was on the debate team. You, know, free to think out of the box. Taking in all the facts. That sort of thing...
 

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First of all, the democratic party does not represent democracy. They wouldn't allow corporate pack money if they did.
People who truly believe in democracy believe representatives should do as the voters choose them to do. Not just rich voters. Our elected officials should be servants of the people instead of rulers. That includes the president most of all.

Second of all we the people have lost faith in the system. That's why voter turn out is so low. Things like politics have always gone in cycles and people are getting so tired of crony capitalism they might just choose Socialism to upset the apple cart.

Third of all If we want to stop this we must vote for principles not personalities. We must reign in the bribery and maybe hang a few crooks. Federal Election tampering should be a capitol offence regardless of the party affiliation. If Jeremiah were to go to Washington DC rather than Jerusalem would he find any honest politicians?
 

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Hmm, I wonder what the answer will be:unsure::unsure::unsure:

I have heard some answer they have "cognitive dissonance"
It would only be cognitive dissonance if they felt the internal conflict, or realized it existed. Which in the case of a person claiming they believe in Jesus Christ, should be a given. But they usually say something like "I can separate my faith from my political outlook." One would only have to "separate" those two things if they advocated something that opposed something Biblically. The fact that they just don't get that means there is a problem with their belief system. It isn't constructed the way a person who claims to be saved should have it constructed.
 

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What are you talking about when you say one group of people ? I have been in the highest tax bracket most of my life... single male, did'nt own a house. I have paid well over 250,000 dollars in taxes in my life. This is the cost of living i the best country in the world. Why should'nt the rich do the same ??? other than the few tech companies. The rich have got their billions off the sweat of men's labor. (and women). You Trumpists have really drank the cool aid. LOL... Their is not one Democratic Christian that I know that is for abortion. About free will that GOD gave us another thing. I am not ever going to try to take something away from another that GOD Himself gave every human being... on the other hand as you so strongly stated, You are against abortion. Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this... The abortion issue is all that you have left!!!
I have reported you for the words I highlighted in red. And if you continue with that tactic, I will report you every time you do it. I don't support Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. I've already told you that twice, so to label me a Trumpist continually indicates that you have no personal integrity. And it proclaims that lack of integrity loudly every single time you do it. To me, or anyone else unless they have told you directly they support Trump

So in other words, you've been taxed a lot, so you want people richer than you taxed even more as revenge? And you want to punish the working class that you claim to care about so much right along with them. No one in the highest tax bracket actually cares about the working class.

I would think it would be obvious what group I am talking about. The group you can't even confront the existence of. The one that you give a safety blanket by continually refusing to give an actual definition for what you continually call "the poor." You can't give one, because you don't have one. It's the usual blanket statement that has no actual meaning. "The Poor" is a Liberal escape hatch you toss out when you can't actually deal with the concept that there are millions of people in this country that are not poor, they simply refuse to work.

There is no such thing as a Democratic Christian. If you register as a Democrat and you vote for Democrat candidates, you are directly supporting things that God condemns. And you aren't even doing so tangentially. If you vote for candidates that are Democrats, then you support abortion. You can't separate yourself from that by using the excuse "Well, I vote for them but I don't support it myself." Yes, you do. If you didn't support it yourself, you wouldn't vote for candidates that do. You're saying when it comes to the political arena, you can take God's dictates and just stuff them in a box where you don't have to look at them. You can't fix poor behavior by giving a rationalization for why you are doing it, or trying to relabel it as something else because of cognitive dissonance.

Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this...

Can you tell me exactly how you know I, personally, want children to starve? Since we now know you are a Democrat you could care less about children in the womb, right up to the time they are exiting the birth canal. But you can accuse other people of wanting to starve children? Really? No sense of hypocrisy there? So you don't care if an unborn child gets murdered, but you can accuse other people of not caring about children based on the fact that they don't think it's their responsibility to provide care for everyone. A Christian does what they can within their own sphere of influence. And they do so within their family first. If they can do more outside their family, they do so. I've sponsored children before, so when it comes to "wanting to starve them," you don't know what you are talking about. It's a knee-jerk response you've used, often, obviously, but it won't work with me.

I was a Foster parent for 12 years. In that time I was a Foster parent to 15 different children. Obviously, not all at the same time. I adopted 2 of them. I would have adopted more of them if I had been given the opportunity. We only took the special needs children, the ones with emotional issues, or the ones who had been sexually or physically abused. That doesn't make me special because almost all the children in Foster Care are special needs in one way or another or they wouldn't be in Foster Care. But I want kids to starve. . .
 

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I have answered this in many discussions. I am a DEMOCRAT, not a liberal. I believe that liberals live in a fantasy world... and as far as the amoral ?. You hav'nt given me example to address. not one. stop generalizing.
It isn't generalizing. As a self-professed Democrat, you don't have any wiggle room. Your stated political position means that you support abortion. You support gay rights. You support transgenderism. You support open borders. You support an influx of illegal aliens. You support Socialism, Marxism and Communism. You support the suspension of free speech. You support gun control. As a registered Democrat, you support all those things, even though you claim not to. If you didn't support them, you wouldn't be a registered Democrat, and you wouldn't vote for Democratic candidates.

The problem isn't me. I don't support abortion, so I don't vote for people who do. Period. It doesn't matter what capital letter in parenthesis they have in front of their name. I don't vote for them. If one of the basic platforms that Republicans ran on was that all men could sleep with any woman they wanted to, and I voted for a Republican candidate, I would be supporting that platform. It isn't a complex issue, and it isn't an issue where you can take an action strictly forbidden by God and just separate it out of the mix as if it solves your moral values problem. It doesn't. I can rationalize having an affair and tell everyone exactly why I'm justified in behaving that way, but that doesn't fix the spiritual wrongness of the action itself. What you are saying is this: "It's OK for me to vote for candidates that support abortion because I'm a Democrat, not a Liberal." There isn't any actual difference there, and you're still supporting abortion directly by your actions so your attempt at an out doesn't work for you at all. It won't work here, and it certainly will not work when it comes time to give an account to someone you will not be able to rationalize with.

Umm . . . but in your post before this, didn't you accuse me of wanting to starve children? So . . . generalizing is OK for you, but not other people. And I wasn't even actually generalizing. Got it. This parade has a really nice-looking Hypocrisy float.
 
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First of all, the democratic party does not represent democracy. They wouldn't allow corporate pack money if they did.
People who truly believe in democracy believe representatives should do as the voters choose them to do. Not just rich voters. Our elected officials should be servants of the people instead of rulers. That includes the president most of all.

Second of all we the people have lost faith in the system. That's why voter turn out is so low. Things like politics have always gone in cycles and people are getting so tired of crony capitalism they might just choose Socialism to upset the apple cart.

Third of all If we want to stop this we must vote for principles not personalities. We must reign in the bribery and maybe hang a few crooks. Federal Election tampering should be a capitol offence regardless of the party affiliation. If Jeremiah were to go to Washington DC rather than Jerusalem would he find any honest politicians?
I agree... But I still believe that we Americans as individuals can make a difference, Even if it is " baby steps"...
I have reported you for the words I highlighted in red. And if you continue with that tactic, I will report you every time you do it. I don't support Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. I've already told you that twice, so to label me a Trumpist continually indicates that you have no personal integrity. And it proclaims that lack of integrity loudly every single time you do it. To me, or anyone else unless they have told you directly they support Trump

So in other words, you've been taxed a lot, so you want people richer than you taxed even more as revenge? And you want to punish the working class that you claim to care about so much right along with them. No one in the highest tax bracket actually cares about the working class.

I would think it would be obvious what group I am talking about. The group you can't even confront the existence of. The one that you give a safety blanket by continually refusing to give an actual definition for what you continually call "the poor." You can't give one, because you don't have one. It's the usual blanket statement that has no actual meaning. "The Poor" is a Liberal escape hatch you toss out when you can't actually deal with the concept that there are millions of people in this country that are not poor, they simply refuse to work.

There is no such thing as a Democratic Christian. If you register as a Democrat and you vote for Democrat candidates, you are directly supporting things that God condemns. And you aren't even doing so tangentially. If you vote for candidates that are Democrats, then you support abortion. You can't separate yourself from that by using the excuse "Well, I vote for them but I don't support it myself." Yes, you do. If you didn't support it yourself, you wouldn't vote for candidates that do. You're saying when it comes to the political arena, you can take God's dictates and just stuff them in a box where you don't have to look at them. You can't fix poor behavior by giving a rationalization for why you are doing it, or trying to relabel it as something else because of cognitive dissonance.

Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this...

Can you tell me exactly how you know I, personally, want children to starve? Since we now know you are a Democrat you could care less about children in the womb, right up to the time they are exiting the birth canal. But you can accuse other people of wanting to starve children? Really? No sense of hypocrisy there? So you don't care if an unborn child gets murdered, but you can accuse other people of not caring about children based on the fact that they don't think it's their responsibility to provide care for everyone. A Christian does what they can within their own sphere of influence. And they do so within their family first. If they can do more outside their family, they do so. I've sponsored children before, so when it comes to "wanting to starve them," you don't know what you are talking about. It's a knee-jerk response you've used, often, obviously, but it won't work with me.

I was a Foster parent for 12 years. In that time I was a Foster parent to 15 different children. Obviously, not all at the same time. I adopted 2 of them. I would have adopted more of them if I had been given the opportunity. We only took the special needs children, the ones with emotional issues, or the ones who had been sexually or physically abused. That doesn't make me special because almost all the children in Foster Care are special needs in one way or another or they wouldn't be in Foster Care. But I want kids to starve. . .
After all that you have said. How could you possibly not know what I mean about the needy??? these are exactly the children that I am talking about. Lazy bums that are feeding off our system have got to be stopped. I am talking about the elderly. people that have worked and struggled all their life.. Americans that deserve it...
 
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I have reported you for the words I highlighted in red. And if you continue with that tactic, I will report you every time you do it. I don't support Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. I've already told you that twice, so to label me a Trumpist continually indicates that you have no personal integrity. And it proclaims that lack of integrity loudly every single time you do it. To me, or anyone else unless they have told you directly they support Trump

So in other words, you've been taxed a lot, so you want people richer than you taxed even more as revenge? And you want to punish the working class that you claim to care about so much right along with them. No one in the highest tax bracket actually cares about the working class.

I would think it would be obvious what group I am talking about. The group you can't even confront the existence of. The one that you give a safety blanket by continually refusing to give an actual definition for what you continually call "the poor." You can't give one, because you don't have one. It's the usual blanket statement that has no actual meaning. "The Poor" is a Liberal escape hatch you toss out when you can't actually deal with the concept that there are millions of people in this country that are not poor, they simply refuse to work.

There is no such thing as a Democratic Christian. If you register as a Democrat and you vote for Democrat candidates, you are directly supporting things that God condemns. And you aren't even doing so tangentially. If you vote for candidates that are Democrats, then you support abortion. You can't separate yourself from that by using the excuse "Well, I vote for them but I don't support it myself." Yes, you do. If you didn't support it yourself, you wouldn't vote for candidates that do. You're saying when it comes to the political arena, you can take God's dictates and just stuff them in a box where you don't have to look at them. You can't fix poor behavior by giving a rationalization for why you are doing it, or trying to relabel it as something else because of cognitive dissonance.

Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this...

Can you tell me exactly how you know I, personally, want children to starve? Since we now know you are a Democrat you could care less about children in the womb, right up to the time they are exiting the birth canal. But you can accuse other people of wanting to starve children? Really? No sense of hypocrisy there? So you don't care if an unborn child gets murdered, but you can accuse other people of not caring about children based on the fact that they don't think it's their responsibility to provide care for everyone. A Christian does what they can within their own sphere of influence. And they do so within their family first. If they can do more outside their family, they do so. I've sponsored children before, so when it comes to "wanting to starve them," you don't know what you are talking about. It's a knee-jerk response you've used, often, obviously, but it won't work with me.

I was a Foster parent for 12 years. In that time I was a Foster parent to 15 different children. Obviously, not all at the same time. I adopted 2 of them. I would have adopted more of them if I had been given the opportunity. We only took the special needs children, the ones with emotional issues, or the ones who had been sexually or physically abused. That doesn't make me special because almost all the children in Foster Care are special needs in one way or another or they wouldn't be in Foster Care. But I want kids to starve. . .
and no. I want the rich to pay the same taxes that I do...
 

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Actually I was on the debate team. You, know, free to think out of the box. Taking in all the facts. That sort of thing...
So is that where you learned about some of the debate tactics you use here? Like poisoning the well? False dichotomies? Begging the question? Circular logic? And perhaps your favorite, the ad hominem? Odd, since, you know, like being on the DEBATE TEAM!!!!, and stuff, you would have learned that none of those tactics are actually good, or desirable tactics. Nor are they needed, or used by someone who has a firm footing to stand on. Because your quote above is a text book example of two bad debating tactics used in one post. The ad hominem, and an argument from authority. Do you even review what you write before you hit the "post" button?
 

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I agree... But I still believe that we Americans as individuals can make a difference, Even if it is " baby steps"...


After all that you have said. How could you possibly not know what I mean about the needy??? these are exactly the children that I am talking about. Lazy bums that are feeding off our system have got to be stopped. I am talking about the elderly. people that have worked and struggled all their life.. Americans that deserve it...
You didn't actually deal with anything I said. I'm waiting for you to deal with the fact that you made an open statement that I think kids should starve, which obviously isn't true. You like to insult people, in a passive-aggressive way and then move on as if you didn't do it. That won't work with me. Your entire "anyone who believes we shouldn't tax people to death wants kids to starve" doesn't work anyway because there are more people out there that want to adopt children then there are children to adopt. The demand is there, yet the supply is not so that defeats your line of reasoning when it comes to "wanting people to starve." Democratic candidates want to do more to enable those "lazy bums,' so exactly who do you think is going to "put a stop" to it?

I'm also waiting for you to deal with your "trumpist" statement.
 

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I agree... But I still believe that we Americans as individuals can make a difference, Even if it is " baby steps"...


After all that you have said. How could you possibly not know what I mean about the needy??? these are exactly the children that I am talking about. Lazy bums that are feeding off our system have got to be stopped. I am talking about the elderly. people that have worked and struggled all their life.. Americans that deserve it...
I choose to vote based only on right and wrong. A choice between a lesser of two evils is still wrong either way. If this were really a democracy we would still lose because real, saved, Christians are a vast minority. I won't give up while I can still stand for right against all odds. Jesus will settle the final score.
 
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You didn't actually deal with anything I said. I'm waiting for you to deal with the fact that you made an open statement that I think kids should starve, which obviously isn't true. You like to insult people, in a passive-aggressive way and then move on as if you didn't do it. That won't work with me. Your entire "anyone who believes we shouldn't tax people to death wants kids to starve" doesn't work anyway because there are more people out there that want to adopt children then there are children to adopt. The demand is there, yet the supply is not so that defeats your line of reasoning when it comes to "wanting people to starve." Democratic candidates want to do more to enable those "lazy bums,' so exactly who do you think is going to "put a stop" to it?

I'm also waiting for you to deal with your "trumpist" statement.

That Trumpist thing upset you huh? Well you calling me A liberal bothers me. I Am a Democrat ,and I specifically told you our stance on the lazy loser who refuses to get a job.The only way to get them to work is to starve them...
 
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It isn't generalizing. As a self-professed Democrat, you don't have any wiggle room. Your stated political position means that you support abortion. You support gay rights. You support transgenderism. You support open borders. You support an influx of illegal aliens. You support Socialism, Marxism and Communism. You support the suspension of free speech. You support gun control. As a registered Democrat, you support all those things, even though you claim not to. If you didn't support them, you wouldn't be a registered Democrat, and you wouldn't vote for Democratic candidates.

The problem isn't me. I don't support abortion, so I don't vote for people who do. Period. It doesn't matter what capital letter in parenthesis they have in front of their name. I don't vote for them. If one of the basic platforms that Republicans ran on was that all men could sleep with any woman they wanted to, and I voted for a Republican candidate, I would be supporting that platform. It isn't a complex issue, and it isn't an issue where you can take an action strictly forbidden by God and just separate it out of the mix as if it solves your moral values problem. It doesn't. I can rationalize having an affair and tell everyone exactly why I'm justified in behaving that way, but that doesn't fix the spiritual wrongness of the action itself. What you are saying is this: "It's OK for me to vote for candidates that support abortion because I'm a Democrat, not a Liberal." There isn't any actual difference there, and you're still supporting abortion directly by your actions so your attempt at an out doesn't work for you at all. It won't work here, and it certainly will not work when it comes time to give an account to someone you will not be able to rationalize with.



Umm . . . but in your post before this, didn't you accuse me of wanting to starve children? So . . . generalizing is OK for you, but not other people. And I wasn't even actually generalizing. Got it. This parade has a really nice-looking Hypocrisy float.
Again, I own a weapon... I just don't want them to get into the hands of Idiots... Do you have a problem with that???
 
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Again, I own a weapon... I just don't want them to get into the hands of Idiots... Do you have a problem with that???
And now I'll tell you my story on abortion... in 2004 I was dating a women and she got pregnant. She did'nt want a child. I am Catholic so abortion was out of any conversation. My daughter's mother agreed to have my daughter. I have been a single father for the last ten years, just she and I. She is 13 yrs old.I Raised her Catholic and she is a gift from God!!!I Could not imagine my life without her!!! So please don't judge when you have no idea of what you are talking about...( fortunately, She is still young enough to think that the world is beautiful. and people.)
 
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I choose to vote based only on right and wrong. A choice between a lesser of two evils is still wrong either way. If this were really a democracy we would still lose because real, saved, Christians are a vast minority. I won't give up while I can still stand for right against all odds. Jesus will settle the final score.
Calibob. that last second line was'nt directed at you.. Don't know how it got there. I wrote this under Cobalts line...???
 

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This is what I and a few others are trying to do. Stand for right...
Well I didn't take it personally. I'm not a bum. I'm just a disabled vet that paid FICA since I was 15. I joined the military when Nixon was pres. I earned Social Security according to the way I was taught before Ronald Reagan decided to use it to balance his Voodoo budget and continued paying for it till I couldn't walk any more. My Dad was in the Army Air Corps, I was in the Strategic Air Command, My son, 1st Calvary and my grandson is in submariners training, NOW.

You didn't say anything that offended me. I just get ticked when people try to paint me or others as anti American because we disagree with their spin on patriotism. Not you 1 ch 1. We have the right to disagree with the bully pulpit, it's called the first amendment. Maybe some people should try to read it!
 
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What are you talking about when you say one group of people ? I have been in the highest tax bracket most of my life... single male, did'nt own a house. I have paid well over 250,000 dollars in taxes in my life. This is the cost of living i the best country in the world. Why should'nt the rich do the same ??? other than the few tech companies. The rich have got their billions off the sweat of men's labor. (and women). You Trumpists have really drank the cool aid. LOL... Their is not one Democratic Christian that I know that is for abortion. About free will that GOD gave us another thing. I am not ever going to try to take something away from another that GOD Himself gave every human being... on the other hand as you so strongly stated, You are against abortion. Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this... The abortion issue is all that you have left!!!

So you will not violate someone's else free will to have an abortion, that is the basis of your argument?

You are free to make your own billion btw...
 
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I agree... But I still believe that we Americans as individuals can make a difference, Even if it is " baby steps"...


After all that you have said. How could you possibly not know what I mean about the needy??? these are exactly the children that I am talking about. Lazy bums that are feeding off our system have got to be stopped. I am talking about the elderly. people that have worked and struggled all their life.. Americans that deserve it...
Did it ever occur to you that people struggle all their lives financially because they do not manage their money properly??

Or is perhaps because they did not have the drive or energy to pursue work that would be able to support them?

When does the personal responsibility of each person and accepting responsibility of their choices kick in btw??