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1christian1

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cobalt1959 said:
Statements like that amuse me, since they are patently false. That sounds exactly like something Chuck Schumer would say. Americans are not trying to get rid of the Electoral College, Liberals are, because suddenly it's flawed when it doesn't elect the candidate they want. When you say "finished with your nonsense," you go even further out on a limb that can't support your weight. I'm not a Trump supporter, and I didn't vote for him. By "nonsense," what you mean is that the left will continue to corrupt the voting process until it delivers the candidates they want every time.

I will ask again, because you keep refusing to answer the question: How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God? Since you know you've got "christian" right there in your name, and stuff.
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I don't know, let's see. Maybe by start taxing the filthy rich. feeding the poor. In general trying to be human to other humans that are less fortunate. You know, like things that Jesus wanted for us Christians..
 
1christian1

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No, I think, especially in the case of the FBI that they are corrupt. If they were actually doing their job, Hillary never would have been able to run for president because she would have been sitting in jail, just because of the server scandal alone, that got people killed, and broke at least 3 federal laws. Or the Benghazi scandal, which got people killed. Or the Russian uranium scandal. Or Chinagate. Or Travelgate. Or Whitewater. Or Rose Law firm. Hillary has been involved in scandal, after law-breaking scandal since the 70's. She is 100% corrupt, and always has been. There is no credible debate otherwise. If the FBI had anything like some "smoking gun," they would have already delivered the coup de gras. Because to hear the Left, it was an open-and-shut case from the get-go, but here we are 3 years later still hearing them talk about an "investigation" that seemingly has no end to it. Because they can't find anything but just refuse to say so.
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You are confused. The F.B.I was entirely responsible for Hillary's loss. It was'nt that long ago... 4 day's before the election the head of the FBI stated that Hillary was still under investigation..
 
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I will pray for Trump as we are called, hoping his mind is not corrupted and that no matter what, God uses the good and bad for His Glory. My allegiance and my focus remains with the Kingdom of God and the King who reigns.

I am blessed to be a citizen of the United States on earth but my eternal citizenship is again with the Kingdom of God.

We need to care deeply about the leaders and what is going on, but ultimately it shouldn't cause us to be obsessed with politics, for it is in His hands.
 
calibob

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New International Version Jeremiah: 5 vs 1 & 2
1) "Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city. 2) Although they say, 'As surely as the LORD lives,' still they are swearing falsely."
 
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cobalt1959 said:
Statements like that amuse me, since they are patently false. That sounds exactly like something Chuck Schumer would say. Americans are not trying to get rid of the Electoral College, Liberals are, because suddenly it's flawed when it doesn't elect the candidate they want. When you say "finished with your nonsense," you go even further out on a limb that can't support your weight. I'm not a Trump supporter, and I didn't vote for him. By "nonsense," what you mean is that the left will continue to corrupt the voting process until it delivers the candidates they want every time.

I will ask again, because you keep refusing to answer the question: How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God? Since you know you've got "christian" right there in your name, and stuff.
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Hate groups are growing and hate is of the devil.
 
calibob

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cobalt1959 said:
Statements like that amuse me, since they are patently false. That sounds exactly like something Chuck Schumer would say. Americans are not trying to get rid of the Electoral College, Liberals are, because suddenly it's flawed when it doesn't elect the candidate they want. When you say "finished with your nonsense," you go even further out on a limb that can't support your weight. I'm not a Trump supporter, and I didn't vote for him. By "nonsense," what you mean is that the left will continue to corrupt the voting process until it delivers the candidates they want every time.

I will ask again, because you keep refusing to answer the question: How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God? Since you know you've got "christian" right there in your name, and stuff.
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We have a 2 party system! About 1/2 of Americans ARE Democrats and have been since before we were born! I don't care about the party and can't stand most of there agenda's but the founding fathers saw fit to leave room for changes called amendments' since 1791!
 
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calibob said:
New International Version Jeremiah: 5 vs 1 & 2
1) "Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city. 2) Although they say, 'As surely as the LORD lives,' still they are swearing falsely."
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You have to go to Palestine to find Christians in that region...
 
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1christian1 said:
I don't know, let's see. Maybe by start taxing the filthy rich. feeding the poor. In general trying to be human to other humans that are less fortunate. You know, like things that Jesus wanted for us Christians..
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Sure, so you do it too. "You don't think we should be taxed into oblivion, so you are a mean, mean man." Is this what you call a cogent defense of your position? Trying to paint others as horrible because you can't mount an adequate defense of your premises? How much tax do you want me to pay? How much tax do you want "the rich" to pay? The Left's ONLY solution to what they nebulously, and purposely call "the poor" is to just forcefully take money away from one group and give it to someone else. I'll tell you to do the same thing I told the other guy. You claim to be a Christian, so it you think you can make a case for the Bible instructing us to have money forcefully removed from us to care for others, provide me a Biblical framework for it or stop talking like the Bible tells us to give money to people who refuse to work. I've never seen anyone be able to do it yet.

Since you seem to always be stumping for the left, then it would actually be you that doesn't care about people. The left virulently supports abortion, so in continually pushing Liberal dogma, you would also be a supporter of abortion. Want to explain how that works?
 
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1christian1 said:
You are confused. The F.B.I was entirely responsible for Hillary's loss. It was'nt that long ago... 4 day's before the election the head of the FBI stated that Hillary was still under investigation..
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Umm, you are contradicting yourself right there. Is that your final answer?

I thought Hillary won? Aren't you going around the board constantly pushing the tired leftist chestnut that Hillary won by 3 million votes? Isn't that what I've seen you say here, over and over? "Hillary didn't really lose!!!"

She either lost, or she didn't. It can't be both ways. According to you, she actually won. But above, you say the F.B.I. caused her to lose. If she "actually" won, then the F.B.I. can't be responsible for here loss.

I notice you are highly selective about which posts, and which questions you deal with. I still have a question to you hanging out there and I'd love to see you answer. I'll ask it again, in case you missed it:

How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God?
 
cobalt1959

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calibob said:
We have a 2 party system! About 1/2 of Americans ARE Democrats and have been since before we were born! I don't care about the party and can't stand most of there agenda's but the founding fathers saw fit to leave room for changes called amendments' since 1791!
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The concept isn't difficult. Secular America can do whatever they want. I don't expect secular Americans to vote according to a faith they do not have. I do expect people who claim to be Christian to display actual Christian, Biblical values and not support things that God both forbids and abhors through their stated politics.

You cannot be a faithful person who is actually serving God actively by voting for a politician that is a member of the DNC. To do so is to completely violate your Christian faith. The DNC openly supports abortion and homosexuality. They support actively silencing Christian objections to their rational and behavior and their blatant support of immorality. If a person who claims to be a Christian votes for a Democratic candidate, they directly support abortion and homosexuality. Not even vaguely. They support it directly or they would not vote for a candidate that did support those things.

If you can defend voting for a candidate that supports abortion Biblically, please give me the scriptures. I notice some people in this thread asserting how it's OK to do stuff like this, but I haven't seen any Biblical proof that God just turns His head when a Christian actively supports murder through their vote. Are you saying a Christian has no more responsibility for their actions than an unbeliever would?
 
calibob

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1christian1 said:
You have to go to Palestine to find Christians in that region...
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Sad but true.
cobalt1959 said:
The concept isn't difficult. Secular America can do whatever they want. I don't expect secular Americans to vote according to a faith they do not have. I do expect people who claim to be Christian to display actual Christian, Biblical values and not support things that God both forbids and abhors through their stated politics.

You cannot be a faithful person who is actually serving God actively by voting for a politician that is a member of the DNC. To do so is to completely violate your Christian faith. The DNC openly supports abortion and homosexuality. They support actively silencing Christian objections to their rational and behavior and their blatant support of immorality. If a person who claims to be a Christian votes for a Democratic candidate, they directly support abortion and homosexuality. Not even vaguely. They support it directly or they would not vote for a candidate that did support those things.

If you can defend voting for a candidate that supports abortion Biblically, please give me the scriptures. I notice some people in this thread asserting how it's OK to do stuff like this, but I haven't seen any Biblical proof that God just turns His head when a Christian actively supports murder through their vote. Are you saying a Christian has no more responsibility for their actions than an unbeliever would?
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I no longer vote for candidates. At all. I vote on the issues as they are placed on the ballots. If I don't have a choice I don't choose any more.
 
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Do you really think that our CIA and FBI are that ignorant? The have been investigating this since before Trump came into office.Do you work for Mueller? because the last time I checked, Mueller has'nt divulged 1 thing about his investigation. But It is coming soon... I truly doubt that Mueller has been keeping the world in suspense for a year to say that he has nothing... LOL... It's coming.......
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I think they are that corrupt and have been for a very long time!!!
 
calibob

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UnderGrace said:
I think they are that corrupt and have been for a very long time!!!
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I don't think they can imprison a serving president. I think Mueller's hi holding his mud till Trumps out of office. I think Mueller's on an ego trip too. He want's to be history's most famous Cop!
 
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cobalt1959 said:
Statements like that amuse me, since they are patently false. That sounds exactly like something Chuck Schumer would say. Americans are not trying to get rid of the Electoral College, Liberals are, because suddenly it's flawed when it doesn't elect the candidate they want. When you say "finished with your nonsense," you go even further out on a limb that can't support your weight. I'm not a Trump supporter, and I didn't vote for him. By "nonsense," what you mean is that the left will continue to corrupt the voting process until it delivers the candidates they want every time.

I will ask again, because you keep refusing to answer the question: How can you push a Liberal agenda, which is 100% amoral, and still believe that you are serving God? Since you know you've got "christian" right there in your name, and stuff.
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Hmm, I wonder what the answer will be:unsure::unsure::unsure:

I have heard some answer they have "cognitive dissonance"
 
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calibob said:
I don't think they can imprison a serving president. I think Mueller's hi holding his mud till Trumps out of office. I think Mueller's on an ego trip too. He want's to be history's most famous Cop!
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It is true a sitting President cannot be indicted.

I do not think there was any collusion, just another ruse to keep the masses occupied while the real news gets barely reported.

These are interesting times, it seems the Pres may be a globalist after all...we will have to see how things unfold but it is not looking good.
 
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cobalt1959 said:
Sure, so you do it too. "You don't think we should be taxed into oblivion, so you are a mean, mean man." Is this what you call a cogent defense of your position? Trying to paint others as horrible because you can't mount an adequate defense of your premises? How much tax do you want me to pay? How much tax do you want "the rich" to pay? The Left's ONLY solution to what they nebulously, and purposely call "the poor" is to just forcefully take money away from one group and give it to someone else. I'll tell you to do the same thing I told the other guy. You claim to be a Christian, so it you think you can make a case for the Bible instructing us to have money forcefully removed from us to care for others, provide me a Biblical framework for it or stop talking like the Bible tells us to give money to people who refuse to work. I've never seen anyone be able to do it yet.

Since you seem to always be stumping for the left, then it would actually be you that doesn't care about people. The left virulently supports abortion, so in continually pushing Liberal dogma, you would also be a supporter of abortion. Want to explain how that works?
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What are you talking about when you say one group of people ? I have been in the highest tax bracket most of my life... single male, did'nt own a house. I have paid well over 250,000 dollars in taxes in my life. This is the cost of living i the best country in the world. Why should'nt the rich do the same ??? other than the few tech companies. The rich have got their billions off the sweat of men's labor. (and women). You Trumpists have really drank the cool aid. LOL... Their is not one Democratic Christian that I know that is for abortion. About free will that GOD gave us another thing. I am not ever going to try to take something away from another that GOD Himself gave every human being... on the other hand as you so strongly stated, You are against abortion. Yet once an unwanted child is born into this world you want to starve them. I don't get this... The abortion issue is all that you have left!!!
 
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