Conspiracy thinker vs trust

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Jesus is the Messias, God in the flesh, the author and perfecter of my faith.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Might be better to get my eyes off corona, but autumn will bring a repetition of last year adding new elements. It’s easy to say “let it go” while it’s effecting everything in your life. Changing everything in life. God knows how I react to abrupt changes.
Might also be best for me to let this all go and watch more sermons. Trust in God is a hard while you are seeing all this injustice happening around you. While I can clearly see the long term effect of it all and not being sure of we’d be raptured. Need to grow bigger faith to engage these worries I guess.
Do you believe that he's died for your sins and have you asked him to forgive you and live in you? If you have, then you have the hope of heaven. There's no reason to be worried or concerned with the matters of the world.

Romans 8:38-39 "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

1 Corinthians 7:29-31 "What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away."

Prayer helps a lot with worry too, as written in Philippians 4:6-7 "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Didn't mean to throw so many verses your way in this post, but I hope they help.
 

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Do you believe that he's died for your sins and have you asked him to forgive you and live in you? If you have, then you have the hope of heaven. There's no reason to be worried or concerned with the matters of the world.

Romans 8:38-39 "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

1 Corinthians 7:29-31 "What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away."

Prayer helps a lot with worry too, as written in Philippians 4:6-7 "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Didn't mean to throw so many verses your way in this post, but I hope they help.
Yes I believe and I have.

I love the Bible so throwing verses at me is no problem. Having really investigated the Bible, I have seen how deep it reaches and that it is the total autority over mankind. Our past, present and future is in there.

In America churches address a lot of the injust in the world. European churches are not that involved and more worldly when it comes to that.
All would be less problematic if it was kept out of school. But our kids were spooned with fear of climate changes until we demanded to point at the east too. Suddenly we get corona from the east and the west starts kissing the east’s butt.

If they’d just keep it out of our schools and stop the political correct nonsens, my fight would be off. It’s fully on, even when Im off my cough addressing institutions trying to brainwash my kids ;)
 

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How can a conspiracy thinker regain trust in the system and participate again?
I’m a little too hard on myself and the system with this. I simply don’t trust them (politics, science, healthcare, educational system) and can’t allow myself to bend a knee here.
So it ends up taking my social life and I might end up on the short end depressed and broke...

Coming from the pit once I know how easily it’s all lost. They way down is always faster then the way up....
But I just can’t seem to get up this time... This conspiracy is just too obvious and they lied too much and taken us for fools too many times.

“You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
Do you label yourself a “conspiracy theorist”? (Or have others given you that label?)

Is there any possibility that throughout time people have thrown the label “Conspiracy” on a topic (that may contain some/all truth) so it automatically turns people off to investigating it further?

We know that label works very well, and is associated with “nut cases”
(Simple yet effective tactic to steer people away from open source truths).
No one wants the people around them to think they are loopy...so they ignore that uncomfortable feeling. Some topics make the person think too hard or have to agree it could be legit, which will change their perception of the world...and they don’t want that. They are comfy with their ideas on the matter.

But to say that all the hundreds and hundreds of conspiracy theories out there are ALL lies?...isn’t logical or even possible. Each topic would have to be investigated thoroughly leading to a final conclusion with the proofs presented. (Like all news) How rational the theory is within our physical world, How credible the source is...etc.

Wanting to get to the bottom of something and giving it a fair and rational study is how all information/news/topics should be treated and not just reserved for conspiracy theories. Some topics are too odd for casual conversations, some rely on faith to be possible or be real. Most of those topics are for the individual to research and absorb, and not really soul/salvation related. If it offends the company you keep, maybe it’s best to avoid pushing them?

All information should be read —while letting it swirl around in the mind—and then decided on facts presented and finally leading us to the “truth” of the matter?

Wouldn't you agree?
 

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Do you label yourself a “conspiracy theorist”? (Or have others given you that label?)

Is there any possibility that throughout time people have thrown the label “Conspiracy” on a topic (that may contain some/all truth) so it automatically turns people off to investigating it further?

We know that label works very well, and is associated with “nut cases”
(Simple yet effective tactic to steer people away from open source truths).
No one wants the people around them to think they are loopy...so they ignore that uncomfortable feeling. Some topics make the person think too hard or have to agree it could be legit, which will change their perception of the world...and they don’t want that. They are comfy with their ideas on the matter.

But to say that all the hundreds and hundreds of conspiracy theories out there are ALL lies?...isn’t logical or even possible. Each topic would have to be investigated thoroughly leading to a final conclusion with the proofs presented. (Like all news) How rational the theory is within our physical world, How credible the source is...etc.

Wanting to get to the bottom of something and giving it a fair and rational study is how all information/news/topics should be treated and not just reserved for conspiracy theories. Some topics are too odd for casual conversations, some rely on faith to be possible or be real. Most of those topics are for the individual to research and absorb, and not really soul/salvation related. If it offends the company you keep, maybe it’s best to avoid pushing them?

All information should be read —while letting it swirl around in the mind—and then decided on facts presented and finally leading us to the “truth” of the matter?

Wouldn't you agree?
Others have labeled me a conspiracy theorists but I don’t deny what they say. It’s simply true. I see no otherwise when it comes to specific topics. There is stuff out there that I don’t even bother investigating. But when it comes to changing our landscape politicly I am on full alert.

We are not given all information and need to dig it up outside our very own mainstream resources. Problem is, when truthers figures things out it’s too late. For instance, the war of Iraq, Libya or Syria. All warfare was based on deception. It was pushed so fast and bombarded with false intel and scaremongering. 80 procent of the people I know took their TV box as source of information not questioning anything.

I know no otherwise then that TV box and everyone appearing on it throwing lies at me. Woe the one that goes behind the screens and digs up other truths. After each exposure of their lies we are thrown into a new crisis...
To be honest, I don’t care if it offends anyone. We are dealing with murderers, sexual predators, thiefs and liars having bended the knee for evil forces on the other side of the world. Wanting to invade our world. Having invaded our western world.

But I don’t push anything. I simply add 2 cents.
 

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I guess Im struggling most because people I care about most believe a lot of the lies.
And, this is both the most critical and most difficult part -- there are not [nearly] enough people in the world who understand the reality - without which, there is no remedy...
 

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Trust in God is a hard while you are seeing all this injustice happening around you.
On the contrary, brother -- what else is there in the world besides God that can be trusted? What choice do you have?

This is the "good thing" about seeing all of the corruption - it helps us to realize and remember that the only worthwhile thing to do is - let go of the world and get close to God...
 

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On the contrary, brother -- what else is there in the world besides God that can be trusted? What choice do you have?

This is the "good thing" about seeing all of the corruption - it helps us to realize and remember that the only worthwhile thing to do is - let go of the world and get close to God...
Well let me take that back and put it back in other words:

This world is making it hard to obey God.

You are right that this world is making it quite easy to trust in God once you figure out its fallen nature. Yet one must be on constant alert closing holes not to let sin in. Yet while doing what I do I can tear that breach right open to be flushed out with sin. Romans 7:21.
Yet doing nothing is not an option too, but I’m at the end of my wits when it’s coming to battelling specific things. Abortion, propaganda in schools, anti christian teachings in christian schools, ...
Churches are not taking a stand and christians alone (in Europe) are too divided to get things done...

Trusting God would almost be like “do nothing”. But it is my trust in Him that compells me to take a better stand in this strong deception trying to hijack our childrens mind. They are taught in lies and baptized in the occult without anyone even noticing it.
 

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Others have labeled me a conspiracy theorists but I don’t deny what they say. It’s simply true. I see no otherwise when it comes to specific topics. There is stuff out there that I don’t even bother investigating. But when it comes to changing our landscape politicly I am on full alert.

We are not given all information and need to dig it up outside our very own mainstream resources. Problem is, when truthers figures things out it’s too late. For instance, the war of Iraq, Libya or Syria. All warfare was based on deception. It was pushed so fast and bombarded with false intel and scaremongering. 80 procent of the people I know took their TV box as source of information not questioning anything.

I know no otherwise then that TV box and everyone appearing on it throwing lies at me. Woe the one that goes behind the screens and digs up other truths. After each exposure of their lies we are thrown into a new crisis...
To be honest, I don’t care if it offends anyone. We are dealing with murderers, sexual predators, thiefs and liars having bended the knee for evil forces on the other side of the world. Wanting to invade our world. Having invaded our western world.

But I don’t push anything. I simply add 2 cents.
If investigating certain topics is what you find interesting...then just be you, Sir. (As long as it’s not hurting you or anyone around you)

Sure, there are many odd conspiracy theories out there that really push it, (many, many) but I’m sure goofy ideas are mixed in there on purpose to make people automatically discredit all of them. A form of controlled opposition is always in there (the more well know conspiracies ) and is a super clever way to side step the truth on a topic.

For the life of me, l can’t understand why anyone would tell anyone to NOT look into a topic on their own? Whether its what a local politician did or claims or what the Bible has to say on something? Imagine how many major events in history would have never happened if someone didn’t speak up or look into what was being fed to the people?

An open mind, some skepticism and the will to do some homework is a sign of intelligence. Most people debate on their stance without ever looking into the other side of things. (No matter what they claim, and usually within 3 sentences you can tell they know zero about what they oppose)

Controlling others and telling them to not investigate is a form of....? (Aren’t there countries/groups out there that censor information from their people? What is that called? 🤔)

I think we all know what and who has told their people to believe them only and no need to look further. Anyone who says the same on all issues is basically doing the same exact thing.
 
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Here's a conspiracy theory: conspiracy theories are designed to keep people fearful and deny the truth so that they'll mindlessly follow those who claim to see and have the truth in order to create followers for their own benefit and feelings of power.
 

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Well let me take that back and put it back in other words:

This world is making it hard to obey God.

You are right that this world is making it quite easy to trust in God once you figure out its fallen nature. Yet one must be on constant alert closing holes not to let sin in. Yet while doing what I do I can tear that breach right open to be flushed out with sin. Romans 7:21.
Yet doing nothing is not an option too, but I’m at the end of my wits when it’s coming to battelling specific things. Abortion, propaganda in schools, anti christian teachings in christian schools, ...
Churches are not taking a stand and christians alone (in Europe) are too divided to get things done...

Trusting God would almost be like “do nothing”. But it is my trust in Him that compells me to take a better stand in this strong deception trying to hijack our childrens mind. They are taught in lies and baptized in the occult without anyone even noticing it.
I know what you mean, brother. The way-of-the-world tends to force us into more-and-more complex and difficult decisions. Yet - if we "hold fast" to the Truth - and, trust that God will help us make all of the right decisions -- well, that is the best we can do.

I applaud you for trying to do whatever good you are trying to do. Doing nothing is what most people do. They have been conditioned from birth to "just go along with the world" so as to be 'comfortable'. Understandably, people often do not know what to do. However, being educated in/on the truth is the responsibility of everyone who would like to not be counted in the group of "good men" who "do nothing" - referred to by this saying:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Choose your battles according to what you believe you may actually be able to make a positive difference. And, of course, anything that you feel God has put upon you to do.

Among Christians everywhere, it is the lack of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom - and the lack of having the will to get involved to make a positive difference [in the things where we can make that difference] that keeps evil tracking forward. We all know that we cannot stand alone - yet, it seems that no one wants to stand together, either...

That last sentence --- most Christians today don't have a clue just how prevalent that it really is. And, that is sad. :(
 

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Here's a conspiracy theory: conspiracy theories are designed to keep people fearful and deny the truth so that they'll mindlessly follow those who claim to see and have the truth in order to create followers for their own benefit and feelings of power.
Some truth in your statement.
(just like most conspiracy theories). 😀

So, people should NOT look into the truth overall?
To say (and back up) that every -single - conspiracy theory is a lie isn’t even logical or possible 😂

Considering that simple label “conspiracy theory“ can be thrown on anything and everything is proof that it’s a deceptive way to turn the mind off to investigating deeper. (who gets to label these things, btw?) Is there a bunch of “educated” men with letters after their names that gather once a year and dictate what is or isn’t a conspiracy? 😂

It seems to me those little two words and their impact work well? Who’s a trusted source for credible info? Can we all agree on those sources from there?
It’s called open source information, and letting the individual looking into it and then after some thought and weighing of all available facts , ...then decide whether it’s a ”conspiracy “ or not shouldn’t be dictated by anyone who believes in overall “freedom of____” (in every form)
 

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Here's a conspiracy theory: conspiracy theories are designed to keep people fearful and deny the truth so that they'll mindlessly follow those who claim to see and have the truth in order to create followers for their own benefit and feelings of power.
Yes - this kind of thing does happen in the world - unfortunately. However, it is not always the case. There are people who simply want others to understand what they understand [about whatever] - for the benefit of the person being told - and zero want or wish for personal "glory" for having told the truth. There are people out there that only want others to know the truth - without "wielding" any power over them or obtaining a "following"...

And, by the way, you have this backwards:

Here's a conspiracy theory: conspiracy theories are designed to keep people fearful and deny the truth ...
When you know the truth - the fear subsides - the confusion subsides - the picture becomes more clear...

And then there is no more fear - no more confusion - no more doubt...

It is not knowing the truth that causes and maintains fear...
 
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I don't buy into this term "conspiracy theorist"... It's a term used to try and discredit someone's opinion and i find that most theories that are labeled this do actually have some truth behind it...

The system has constantly lied to me, it has used and abused me... Jesus says to forgive 77 times but how do u forgive a system...
I struggled with this and still do a bit... I learnt how to forgive people even if they hadn't asked for it but a system is something entirely different...

But even if we do find the grace to forgive does that mean we must also trust... Of course not.
U don't trust a car that keeps letting you down and breaking down... "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

Also its important to be able to distinguish between the system and the people within that system... Most people do have good intentions and a good heart and they can often become the target of our frustration towards the system...

At the moment the conspiracy i see is with covid... There have been so many lies and censoring that its hard to believe that people are still believing all of it... To me its quite obvious that the conspiracy is to force vaccines onto everyone and some kind of verification/tracking system... But the media has called us; covid deniers, a cult, conspiracy theorists, ant-science, defectors and all kinds of names in the effort to discredit... I will always stand in the truth regardless of how unpopular it is

But what if you are wrong? Would you then stubbornly and belligerently hold fast to your irrational and illogical error because you promised yourself that you would never relent? Standing in the truth should include a willingness to concede to being wrong so that you can realign with said truth you claim to love. Don't be too committed to your unproven conclusions. You might be wrong about it.
 

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But what if you are wrong? Would you then stubbornly and belligerently hold fast to your irrational and illogical error because you promised yourself that you would never relent? Standing in the truth should include a willingness to concede to being wrong so that you can realign with said truth you claim to love. Don't be too committed to your unproven conclusions. You might be wrong about it.
Your advise is good if so be it the case; however, you say it as though there is no case whereby he could be correct.

What if he is right? Then, he stands in the truth - against all odds and other opinions - and naysayers - having proven to himself from his own rightful conclusions.

You might be wrong. Are you willing to do the same as your own advise suggests? I hope so.

Anyone who loves the truth will definitely be open to correction; because, above all else, they would not want to promote anything that was not true.

Anyone who says "There is no conspiracy." (meaning that such a thing does not exist) is promoting something that is simply not true - the evidence to the contrary is too great.
 
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How can a conspiracy thinker regain trust in the system and participate again?
I’m a little too hard on myself and the system with this. I simply don’t trust them (politics, science, healthcare, educational system) and can’t allow myself to bend a knee here.
So it ends up taking my social life and I might end up on the short end depressed and broke...

Coming from the pit once I know how easily it’s all lost. They way down is always faster then the way up....
But I just can’t seem to get up this time... This conspiracy is just too obvious and they lied too much and taken us for fools too many times.

“You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
There is also the question of...
"how does the conspiracy theorist regaining the trust of friends once their theories have been debunked and yet they continue to cleave to them with an almost religious fanaticism? How will they ever be considered mentally normal by their family and friends again? Will they always wear the mental ward frock in the eyes of their peers?"

There is a way to recover their reputation for being of a sound mind and judgment.

I don't think it is a matter of trusting a system but rather...
"how does one find credible source materials to educate themselves on unbiased facts" That is not hard to do and will set one on the right path to extract themselves from a previously committed position that might not be the truth.

Why trust cheesy videos anyone can produce in an attempt to sway people and not believe data published in scientific journals?
Is there a lack of understanding on how scientific journals get published? Maybe by looking into the requirements for the peer reviews and fact checking that goes into that type of publication would give one confidence that it has much more weight than an individual in a video whether he is wearing a lab coat and has medical credentials or not.

When you take the time to fact check using fact check sites that will uncover data you might not have known and give links for credible sources to add to your current knowledge you can consider all of the data instead of what you thought was so glaringly obvious based only on your intuitive natural suspicions and skepticism (not a credible source).

This will at least give a better perspective of why your normal friends and family are thinking that your not dealing with a full deck (because they already searched and know the fact check data) So you owe it to yourself to at least learn what the fact checking sites are saying. If you want to still believe the debunked false accusation you will be expected to give a persuasive argument as to why the fact checking sites are wrong. This would give you some level of credibility showing you have done the basic research necessary to have a valid opinion and then people will be less likely to dress you in that mental ward frock.

Most people who are honestly wanting the truth will not reject a superior resource such as a New England Medical Journal publication and choose instead to believe a fat transvestite in a blond wig talking into a webcam on a video posted on youtube.

If they do they can still recover their reputation for being sane if they simply change their minds and tell their friends they were wrong and they have learned how to look up credible resources and use fact checking sites instead of getting caught up in all the conspiracy theories on the internet. This will make their family and friends very happy and no one will think they are crazy.
Just don't be too proud to admit you went overboard but have learned from it.

It is very common for conspiracy theorist to not believe their own theories but be too proud to admit it to those they have told it to in the past. They feel they have to keep up a facade of belief to save their credibility but that does not actually work. The only way recover their credibility is to admit they got caught up in a sensational theory without first properly fact checking and since then they have changed their minds. Their friends will sigh in relief and trust them even more for their intellectual honesty. :)

There is a way out.. it is called intellectual honesty. And it is not that hard and it is freedom and a clear conscience. God desires truth in the inward parts and that means being truthful to ourselves as well as others. We can't fool God, He knows what we really think and He knows when we secretly doubt the integrity of a social media post we are sharing but do it anyway, and He knows that you felt that check from Him not to do it and that you did it anyway. And He is waiting for you to repent and quit it. And you will not grow in your relationship with Him until you repent of that and start taking what you communicate to others much more seriously. Truth in the inward parts. As a man thinks in his heart so is he.
 
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Your advise is good if so be it the case; however, you say it as though there is no case whereby he could be correct.

What if he is right? Then, he stands in the truth - against all odds and other opinions - and naysayers - having proven to himself from his own rightful conclusions.

You might be wrong. Are you willing to do the same as your own advise suggests? I hope so.

Anyone who loves the truth will definitely be open to correction; because, above all else, they would not want to promote anything that was not true.

Anyone who says "There is no conspiracy." (meaning that such a thing does not exist) is promoting something that is simply not true - the evidence to the contrary is too great.
His point was well articulated and included a CONSPIRACY.

"At the moment the conspiracy i see is with covid... There have been so many lies and censoring that its hard to believe that people are still believing all of it... To me its quite obvious that the conspiracy is to force vaccines onto everyone and some kind of verification/tracking system... "

Are you asking me if someone could prove to me that the COVID virus was a manufactured conspiracy to force a vaccine on us with a tracking device would I admit that I was wrong for not believing it? Of course I would. It should not be to hard to prove such a theory if it were true. Present your facts. Logic suggests it would be fairly easy to prove tracking devices in a vaccine. Now usually the theory is that the tracking device will be used to keep up with your location etc. but my guess is that these theories are built upon the real research and development going on at Rice University funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for the Quantum dot tattoo. Something that sounds freaky suspicious but can be read about by googling Rice University and Quantum Dot Tattoo.


Quantum Dot Tattoo vaccine tracking is simply a method for telling if you have had the vaccine before. It does not track your movement. For example in the near future they might offer you a choice of injection method. You can choose the method that leaves an under skin invisible tattoo that can be scanned to prove that you have had the mRNA 1273 Vaccine. Or if you don't want that you can receive the the standard injection without tattoo?" Benefits of tattoo; you don't have to remember if you have had the vaccination. This would be helpful for all the childhood diseases that people loose records of over the years. No thanks, give me the standard, I have never had a tattoo yet and I would like to keep it that way even if it is invisible.

I don't think this method is ready for public yet so I do not expect it to be offered with the roll out of the Moderna mRNA-1273 which will probably be the first out of the gate the first quarter of next year.

So in anticipation that this is your proof I would say that 1) there has been no suggestion that the quantum dot tattoo method will be approved anytime in the near future (but I could be wrong, this requires research) and 2) this is not a device that tracks peoples movements etc. So if you have credible sources for a vaccine with a tracking device, besides a fat transvestite in a blond wig talking into a camera please present the data. I prefer something I can read and fact check. If videos are your source search for a transcript of the video and post that, it is easier for us all to fact check in a fraction of the time. I am always willing to concede to superior argument and credible information.
 
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Considering that simple label “conspiracy theory“ can be thrown on anything and everything is proof that it’s a deceptive way to turn the mind off to investigating deeper. (who gets to label these things, btw?) Is there a bunch of “educated” men with letters after their names that gather once a year and dictate what is or isn’t a conspiracy? 😂

It seems to me those little two words and their impact work well? Who’s a trusted source for credible info? Can we all agree on those sources from there?
It’s called open source information, and letting the individual looking into it and then after some thought and weighing of all available facts , ...then decide whether it’s a ”conspiracy “ or not shouldn’t be dictated by anyone who believes in overall “freedom of____” (in every form)
No, no... Conspiracy theorists often actually deny open source information.

Fyi, from wikipedia "A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable. Conspiracy theories resist falsification and are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and an absence of evidence for it are re-interpreted as evidence of its truth, whereby the conspiracy becomes a matter of faith rather than something that can be proved or disproved. Research suggests that conspiracist ideation—belief in conspiracy theories—can be psychologically harmful or pathological and that it is correlated with psychological projection, paranoia and Machiavellianism."

I'll let you amid that "open source information" weigh in and decide on to whom it applies.
 

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His point was well articulated and included a CONSPIRACY.

"At the moment the conspiracy i see is with covid... There have been so many lies and censoring that its hard to believe that people are still believing all of it... To me its quite obvious that the conspiracy is to force vaccines onto everyone and some kind of verification/tracking system... "

Are you asking me if someone could prove to me that the COVID virus was a manufactured conspiracy to force a vaccine on us with a tracking device would I admit that I was wrong for not believing it? Of course I would. It should not be to hard to prove such a theory if it were true. Present your facts. Logic suggests it would be fairly easy to prove tracking devices in a vaccine. Now usually the theory is that the tracking device will be used to keep up with your location etc. but my guess is that these theories are built upon the real research and development going on at Rice University funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for the Quantum dot tattoo. Something that sounds freaky suspicious but can be read about by googling Rice University and Quantum Dot Tattoo.


Quantum Dot Tattoo vaccine tracking is simply a method for telling if you have had the vaccine before. It does not track your movement. For example in the near future they might offer you a choice of injection method. You can choose the method that leaves an under skin invisible tattoo that can be scanned to prove that you have had the mRNA 1273 Vaccine. Or if you don't want that you can receive the the standard injection without tattoo?" Benefits of tattoo; you don't have to remember if you have had the vaccination. This would be helpful for all the childhood diseases that people loose records of over the years. No thanks, give me the standard, I have never had a tattoo yet and I would like to keep it that way even if it is invisible.

I don't think this method is ready for public yet so I do not expect it to be offered with the roll out of the Moderna mRNA-1273 which will probably be the first out of the gate the first quarter of next year.

So in anticipation that this is your proof I would say that 1) there has been no suggestion that the quantum dot tattoo method will be approved anytime in the near future (but I could be wrong, this requires research) and 2) this is not a device that tracks peoples movements etc. So if you have credible sources for a vaccine with a tracking device, besides a fat transvestite in a blond wig talking into a camera please present the data. I prefer something I can read and fact check. If videos are your source search for a transcript of the video and post that, it is easier for us all to fact check in a fraction of the time. I am always willing to concede to superior argument and credible information.
My post that you quoted is not attempting to back up any specific proof. I thought you were speaking "in general" with regard to him speaking "in general" about not trusting "the system"; therefore, I was speaking "in general" (without regard to a specific "conspiracy") about people having the right to "prove" for themselves based on whatever information they have to make their own conclusion.

You see - there really is no such thing as "proving something to someone" - "real proof" only exists in the mind of an individual - that "proves" to that individual [whatever thing] that they arrive at a conclusion about based on their own knowledge and understanding of [whatever thing].

Anyone who says something like (as many do on here from time to time):

"HA! See there? I have proven to you that this verse of scripture means such-and-so."

- has proven nothing except that they have proven to themselves that such-and-so is what the verse says.

That is why I don't take this approach (with scripture or anything else if I can help it); rather, I just try to present whatever I believe might be thought-provoking enough for someone to go do their own research and see if it makes sense to them. It is up to them after that.

At other times (when I have sometimes actually been accused of "not giving proof", no less), I have this to say:

When having a discussion, not every post needs to include some kind of proof of something.

Everyone likes to debate. I like to just have a discussion. My approach and intent is often much different than many others on here...
 

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Your advise is good if so be it the case; however, you say it as though there is no case whereby he could be correct.

What if he is right? Then, he stands in the truth - against all odds and other opinions - and naysayers - having proven to himself from his own rightful conclusions.

You might be wrong. Are you willing to do the same as your own advise suggests? I hope so.

Anyone who loves the truth will definitely be open to correction; because, above all else, they would not want to promote anything that was not true.

Anyone who says "There is no conspiracy." (meaning that such a thing does not exist) is promoting something that is simply not true - the evidence to the contrary is too great.

It’s as simple as this, Gary. It really is. 🤯
That statement works both ways. (Anyone who presents that line of thinking has to see that?)
Usually we avoid responding to those who make sense and/ or destroy our obvious agendas/lectures about life, lies, God, and any topic about “truth“.

I don’t know him (not even attacking him) but I will address how he/others approached this topic on many threads. Certain people out there who are set on being right seem to close themselves off to grasping a simple rational argument that annihilates their stance. At some point we all shoot past trying to be the final say we forget about what/who is actually correct. (maybe on purpose? idk?) That‘s where we are as a society at this point, (we all do it) thousands of opinions, and we all believe we are correct. (Groups/certain individuals want to teach and anyone who questions their doctrine or brings up points that beg answers...they avoid).

“ Please, no opinions or valid arguments allowed. I’m teaching you something.”

I never once backed any “conspiracy theory” here in the forums, nor do l push them to the point of heating someone up. (It’s not that important, they are just my opinions and in most cases can’t be proven or disproven) It’s a request or stance on how we can maybe get to the bottom of how we should advise others on how to truth seek overall.

I’m simply stating those who oppose and push that “all conspiracy theories are bad/wrong“ with a “steer clear from it“ type attitude towards anyone seeking out answers is not only giving terrible advice but it is incredibly deceptive. (towards others and themselves) Imagine a world where no labels were given and we were allowed to read and study without being told how to feel about it (the articles title) before we even read the first line?