Did man land on the moon?

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Did man land on the moon?


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Gojira

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Let's look at practical things.

Can you tell me what the boots, along with the spacesuits were made of, and what radiation protection was built into the boots, and suit, and their thermal tolerances?

Here is some information that you might consider:






"... This boot is part of the pair that was made for and worn by Eugene Cernan, commander of the Apollo 17 mission that landed on the moon on December 10, 1972.​
The International Latex Corporation made the boots which were part of Cernan's extra-vehicular (EV) equipment. The EV boots were worn over the boots that were integrated into the spacesuit and which included the pressure bladder and thermal coverings. The boots were made with a silicone sole, woven stainless steel uppers (Chromel-R), and included additional layers of thermal protection and beta felt in the soles as protection against extreme temperatures and sharp rocks on the lunar surface.​
Transferred to the National Air and Space Museum from NASA in 1974 ..." - Boot, Left, Lunar Overshoe, Cernan, Apollo 17, Flown | National Air and Space Museum

"Chromel-R" is a metal woven fabric. Beta felt is a Teflon coated Beta cloth (glass fiber).
"Chromel R, a nickel chromium alloy fiber developed by Hoskins Mfg. Co. in the mid-1960s, was used in the form of a woven-metal fabric to protect the astronauts’ legs from hot gases produced by the astronauts’ maneuvering unit. These materials would also be used in the subsequent Apollo program."- Textiles in space – Advanced Textiles Source

"... The outer layer of a lunar boot, except for the sole, was fabricated from Chromel-R and the tongue area was made of Teflon-coated Beta cloth. ..." - https://www.history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch6.htm
"... The 1967 tragedy in the Apollo program led to major breakthroughs in textile science and engineering. The cabin fire that killed Gus Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee during a launch pad test directly led to the development of the Beta glass fiber by Owens Corning Fiberglas Corp.​
The company had been experimenting with an ultrafine glass fiber when NASA’s Johnson Space Center contracted it to further the development of ultrafine fibers. The result of this work was the development of a glass fiber with a 4.8 micron diameter that became known as Beta fiber in the aerospace community. Both NASA and Owens Corning invested in this development.​
Owens Corning built a full-scale production plant after the successful development of the finest glass fiber ever made. Beta glass fiber was used extensively in the Apollo spacesuit and many other applications through the Apollo and space shuttle programs. The production plant operated until the mid-1990s when it was dismantled. Aerospace agencies had been the only customers for Beta glass fiber over the decades, and the consumption of the fiber was insufficient for the company to sustain the operation of the plant. ..." - Textiles in space – Advanced Textiles Source
"... The inner layers consisted of two layers of Kapton followed by five layers of aluminized, perforated Mylar. The Mylar layers were separated by four layers of nonwoven Dacron followed by an inner liner of Teflon-coated Beta cloth. Two layers of Nomex felt in the sole ..." - https://www.history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch6.htm
I did not see any radiation shielding mentioned in the making of those boots - at all. Silicone, glass fiber and 'stainless steel' are not radiation shielding materials. Galvanized Steel can block some EMF radiation.

"... One concern about gamma radiation is the possibility of too much crosslinking. Additional crosslinking may deform the product and decrease its flexibility and tensile strength as well as increase the durometer of the silicone. Bond rupturing also occurs in extreme cases. ..." - 3 Sterilization Methods for Silicone Devices

Additionally, When those boots (and the compositional materials, especially the outer most external material) were in direct contact with the lunar surface on excursions (EVA's) for several hours at a time - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacewalks_and_moonwalks_1965–1999 while in direct sunlight, and in shadow, what radiated the heat (sunlight and surface temperature - Lunar Temperature - Lunarpedia ) and cold (shade and surface temperature) away from the soles of the astronauts feet?
"... Over the course of a full lunar day and night, the temperature on the Moon can vary wildly, from around +200 to -200 degrees Celsius (+392 to -328 degrees Fahrenheit) ..." - This is our planet: Awesome ISS time-lapse will blow your mind | Space Facts – Astronomy, the Solar System & Outer Space | All About Space Magazine

Would that boot material, under standard earth conditions crack, warp or deviate in form (shrink or expand, and to what extent) under similar temperatures and durations?

Can we see a demonstration of such a boot test from NASA of those historical footware that are on display, showing that they are capable of withstanding such temperatures and their extreme ranges.
"... Museum conservators try to extend the life and integrity of objects that have become fragile over time. The fragile interior rubber bladder layer and woven Link-Net restraint layer of this suit mean that it needs to be displayed with as little weight as possible pulling on it. Because the boots are sewn onto the legs of the suit, a reclined display removes that additional pressure. ..." - Floating | Outside the Spacecraft
If those boots really worked so well as claimed on a lunar surface, then why wouldn't they work on Martian ones or future lunar surface EVA'S, and why the need to redesign them? The only 'boots' utilized now are for non-walking EVA's - NASA - These Boots are Made for Walking

What do you know about Radiation levels on earth, as opposed to levels of radiation at high altitudes (LEO, UEA), and Cis-Lunar, or Cis-Solar, or Cis-Planetary?
Sure :)
 

Gojira

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You don't know all the things you don't know.

No idea what this was about, but I will say I feel stupider after reading some of the ridiculous comments here.

Have fun y'all. I got more productive things to do.
 

Dude653

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If I want information on the moon landing, I will consult actual scientific sources instead of bat poop crazy conspiracy sources
Same reason I don't consult a florist for plumbing advice
 

PennEd

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No idea what this was about, but I will say I feel stupider after reading some of the ridiculous comments here.

Have fun y'all. I got more productive things to do.
 

Dude653

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Neil deGrasse Tyson hit the nail on the head when he said America is the only developed country in the world that has such a scientifically illiterate population and such a disdain for science
The fact that they are still people who think the Earth is flat in the moon landing was fake is a testament to get America's failed education system
 

Billyd

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We really did land on the moon. If you check out the lunar reconnaissance orbiter photos you will find photos like this showing all of the debris fields of each landing.


The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera snapped its best look yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon. The image, which was released on March 7, 2012, even shows the remnants of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's historic first steps on the surface around the Lunar Module. (Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University)

Contrary to all you conspiracy theorist beliefs, every landing actually happened. We were not so ignorant that we couldn't put people on the moon without all your fancy modern hardware.
 

MrE

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We really did land on the moon. If you check out the lunar reconnaissance orbiter photos you will find photos like this showing all of the debris fields of each landing.


The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera snapped its best look yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon. The image, which was released on March 7, 2012, even shows the remnants of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's historic first steps on the surface around the Lunar Module. (Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University)

Contrary to all you conspiracy theorist beliefs, every landing actually happened. We were not so ignorant that we couldn't put people on the moon without all your fancy modern hardware.
Oh that's confirmed-- because you were working for NASA at the time, on the tracking team- right?

Let's put this conspiracy to bed, because Billy was there.
 

Dude653

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The hadron collider summoned a demon, which we into the covid vaccine, which in turn made everyone think the moon landing was fake
 

NBTT

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Asked once but I'll ask again. What would be the point of faking a moon landing?
Watch the excellent documentary shared in post #216 of this thread. That's pretty much the first thing that's addressed. If you search for "American Moon" on youtube it doesn't show up so use the link in post #216 (liars always fear the light of truth).

My first memory as a child was of our family watching the moon landing. When I realized through professional tools that much of the images and footage were lies I kept a small hope that we actually went but due to the cold war and the mission costs, the propaganda effect needed to be maximized. The emotional hope that my first memory wasn't a lie is fading as logic and evidence of the contrary position gradually wins out.

This is not our real home and is run by the father of lies so we can take comfort in not liking what we see here.
 

Dude653

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Watch the excellent documentary shared in post #216 of this thread. That's pretty much the first thing that's addressed. If you search for "American Moon" on youtube it doesn't show up so use the link in post #216 (liars always fear the light of truth).

My first memory as a child was of our family watching the moon landing. When I realized through professional tools that much of the images and footage were lies I kept a small hope that we actually went but due to the cold war and the mission costs, the propaganda effect needed to be maximized. The emotional hope that my first memory wasn't a lie is fading as logic and evidence of the contrary position gradually wins out.

This is not our real home and is run by the father of lies so we can take comfort in not liking what we see here.
Nah...it happened
 
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Asked once but I'll ask again. What would be the point of faking a moon landing?
Several.

[1] Pride - They said would go in front of the Russians, Chinese, World, etc - pride prevents them from looking foolish.

[2] Money - it has been a large cash cow ever since, a giant slush fund for secret military ops, the love of money is the root of all evil.

[3] Deception - Satan loves to deceive, and get people to believe what they see rather than what God's word says.

[4] Time - buys them time to actually try to accomplish it behind the scenes (as they are still trying today).

[5] Easier - it is far easier to fake something than to accomplish the real thing, and as such, persons do not need to die / fail live on TV, be stranded in 'space', freezing and suffocating to death, radiated to death, etc. Cost analysis, cheaper, and makes more money, see #2.

[6] Hero / Idol worship - an man is uplifted to a place as superior to God and His religion, that what God can do, man can do.

[7] Plausible Deniablity - that if ever found out, and things went wrong, can be excused by various measures, necessary to 'beat the Russians / Chinese' because of the cold war, or simply from fear of nuclear threat, blame on nearest politician / general, etc.

[8] Distraction - from what the Government was really doing in nuclear arsenals, and arms race, and spending on illegal materials, German war criminals, etc.

etc.
 
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We really did land on the moon. If you check out the lunar reconnaissance orbiter photos you will find photos like this showing all of the debris fields of each landing.


The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera snapped its best look yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon. The image, which was released on March 7, 2012, even shows the remnants of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's historic first steps on the surface around the Lunar Module. (Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University)

Contrary to all you conspiracy theorist beliefs, every landing actually happened. We were not so ignorant that we couldn't put people on the moon without all your fancy modern hardware.
There are also plenty of photo analysis of the NASA 'photos' here:


You seem to think NASA cannot just make up any image they want, but they themselves show the opposite is true:
"...To better understand the details of these images of the Apollo landings site it can be useful to refer to Figure 3.8-13, which is a digitally edited photograph from the Apollo 16 mission. It shows how the LM descent stage would appear after the crew lifted off in the ascent stage ..." - MOON HOAX: DEBUNKED!: 3.8 Photographs of the vehicles left on the Moon



Look carefully at the admittedly doctored photo. You do not think they cannot and have not altered a simple grayscale of lunar surface?
"... Can’t we simply point a telescope at the Moon and see if the Apollo vehicles are there? It’s one of the most frequent and common-sense questions regarding Moon hoax theories.​
The answer, unfortunately, is no: even the world’s most powerful telescopes are currently unable to resolve such tiny objects at the distance of the Moon, for reasons detailed in Chapter 7. ..." - ibid.​
First, you have to accept that the 'LRO' is real and accomplished what they (NASA) says it did/does. Then you have to accept that its camera can do what they claim it does in the vacuum of space with the known radiations existing, without any degredation of signal or data (think about the problem logistics of simple earth communication and the interference just at high altitude).

Look at the supposed 'LRO' photo of the 'lunar surface' (more like high desert imitation or mock up):

http://www.mem-tek.com/apollo/LRO/a11/M109080308RE__published_lm_westcrater_deconvolved.png
"... Take a look at the excuse for a module. The lunar photo of the module is an indistinguishable white blob, a nothing burger. Look at and compare this with the boulders strewn at 4:00 in the photo. In fact, when you click to enlarge the photo, you can actually make out detail and shapes and certainly determine that these are boulders. ..." - Lunar Lunacy: Disappearing Moon Rocks, Contradictory Mineral Data, Missing Apollo Film and Destroyed Mission Technology | Winter Watch


Northerntruthseeker: The Apollo Moon Landing Hoax: Proof Positive That The Recent LRO Images Of The "Apollo Landing Sites" Were Photo-shopped Fakes!

More photo analysis - Moon Hoax Images

Here is a pretty good list of objections (see point 149):

THE APOLLO "MOON" HOAX: FACT OR FICTION? - UFO Digest
 

TabinRivCA

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Several.

[1] Pride - They said would go in front of the Russians, Chinese, World, etc - pride prevents them from looking foolish.

[2] Money - it has been a large cash cow ever since, a giant slush fund for secret military ops, the love of money is the root of all evil.

[3] Deception - Satan loves to deceive, and get people to believe what they see rather than what God's word says.

[4] Time - buys them time to actually try to accomplish it behind the scenes (as they are still trying today).

[5] Easier - it is far easier to fake something than to accomplish the real thing, and as such, persons do not need to die / fail live on TV, be stranded in 'space', freezing and suffocating to death, radiated to death, etc. Cost analysis, cheaper, and makes more money, see #2.

[6] Hero / Idol worship - an man is uplifted to a place as superior to God and His religion, that what God can do, man can do.

[7] Plausible Deniablity - that if ever found out, and things went wrong, can be excused by various measures, necessary to 'beat the Russians / Chinese' because of the cold war, or simply from fear of nuclear threat, blame on nearest politician / general, etc.

[8] Distraction - from what the Government was really doing in nuclear arsenals, and arms race, and spending on illegal materials, German war criminals, etc.

etc.
What else have 'they' faked? If there's proof, who's suppressing it? Why hasn't Russia or China spoken up or do they know? Why would Satan take pleasure in this up in the air mock moon landing?
Please help me decide 100 %🙏
 
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What else have 'they' faked? If there's proof, who's suppressing it? Why hasn't Russia or China spoken up or do they know? Why would Satan take pleasure in this up in the air mock moon landing?
Please help me decide 100 %🙏
The goverment of the United States have 'faked' all manner of things, called 'false flags', etc. "Gulf of Tonkin", for instance. "Northwoods", etc.

The government supresses these things through 'shills' (paid 'actors' (not hollywood, this is a term which means involved agents doing their part in the field)) to preserve itself.

Russia and China have their own chicanery going on at the same time. most of their footage is filmed in enclosed 'moon' pools. There is plenty of footage, and digital artifacts, and mistakes in their own 'space' programs. Behind the scenes, even since the so-called 'cold war' the governments were, and presently are, working together, the outward theatre (wars, etc) are for the public display. It was Russia and the United states which conspired together to snatch up Germany's top scientists after WWII. "Operation Paperclip".

As for satan, I addressed the material here, especially the first one:

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-11#post-5015074

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-11#post-5015087

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-12#post-5015128

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-12#post-5015132

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-12#post-5015235

https://christianchat.com/conspirac...-land-on-the-moon.197547/page-12#post-5015283
 
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Technology does not go backwards. What could be done in the 60's can be done easily over 50 years later. I (like many) have night vision cameras on my house but in Operation Desert Storm 30 years ago night vision was a huge advantage for the USA. If the USA's crowning achievement was done with 60's technology, China would have duplicated it and improved on it already to bring honor to China. Cost is no issue there. Just see the money spent on Beijing's 2008 Olympic opening ceremonies.

In some Chinese space videos you can see bubbles and in some a voice from the command center is heard saying "get out of the water". The leaders in all countries are not enemies with the leaders in other countries and won't call each other out as both want to maintain control over their subjects. All sides are aware of each others' lies to their respective subjects and thus won't rat each other out.
 

JohnDB

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China has been to the moon as well. They had their own golf cart they were driving as well....collecting rock and dust samples for their own research. They took their own seismic recordings and everything that we did to provide double proof of our findings.

This whole "moon landing faked" , "flat earth", and "poison masks and vaccines " crap is just that....propaganda invented to cast doubt and create divisions among people.

And it's hard to judge who is the most ludicrous....those who subscribe to the conspiracy theories or those who argue with them.
 

MrE

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China has been to the moon as well. They had their own golf cart they were driving as well....collecting rock and dust samples for their own research. They took their own seismic recordings and everything that we did to provide double proof of our findings.

This whole "moon landing faked" , "flat earth", and "poison masks and vaccines " crap is just that....propaganda invented to cast doubt and create divisions among people.

And it's hard to judge who is the most ludicrous....those who subscribe to the conspiracy theories or those who argue with them.
ha ha.... pure Chinese propaganda.

Watch the amazing made for Chinese TV event here. Pay attention to the landing and take off of the unmaned lunar probe module.

Impressive! :rolleyes: