Have you taken the red pill yet?
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As for the random it my be a luxury that they know only a little in that they will not say or ask things on the internet that will throw up any flags. On the other hand though if one knew without error things like that mark or it's image and blurted it out on the internet those same looking for those flags might hush it before it became knowledge to the random persons... The internet is an useful tool in that they know that the elderly will only be quieted by generational attrition because they will never change their manner of thinking. And so then the youth have been taught to play the video games and express themselves with transparency to so that they might know what they know and don't know and to gain the ability to alter their thinking.
I learned the world wasn't all as advertised when a barber explained to me that the "911" terrorisms weren't committed by a bunch of Muslims with box cutters (probably nearly 10 years after the fact). I read up on what unbiased civil engineers and similar had said about the 3 felled buildings, and was blown away - that planes just physically couldn't do that. The blatant lies on this subject made me want to understand what other lies I had been told, and I was to find out it was almost everything.
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Aren't you glad you didn't just "blow off" the barber as though he was some kind of 'nut'...? 
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It is easy enough to find, several of the scientists who worked on it have websites.
https://www.shroud.com/
https://www.shroud.com/
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The official site has the scientific analysis that was done.
The only evidence they have that the shroud is not authentic is carbon 14 analysis which many have questioned.
In doing this analysis you can't say you are finished until you can actually show how the shroud was made. No one has been able to reproduce it.
I saw one documentary called "the face of Jesus" which used mapping software from NASA to determine if 3d info was encoded in the image (they assumed there wouldn't be) and it turns out there was and when they mapped it they got a very typical looking face for a middle eastern man.
That proved that the source from the image came from the body it was wrapped around (theories had said if you hung the shroud up in front of a window with the image being burned in by the sun, but this proved that was not what happened.
The only evidence they have that the shroud is not authentic is carbon 14 analysis which many have questioned.
In doing this analysis you can't say you are finished until you can actually show how the shroud was made. No one has been able to reproduce it.
I saw one documentary called "the face of Jesus" which used mapping software from NASA to determine if 3d info was encoded in the image (they assumed there wouldn't be) and it turns out there was and when they mapped it they got a very typical looking face for a middle eastern man.
That proved that the source from the image came from the body it was wrapped around (theories had said if you hung the shroud up in front of a window with the image being burned in by the sun, but this proved that was not what happened.
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Some of the other studies:
Textile studies proving the cotton fibers came from the area
Textile studies showing the weave that was done matched other types of cloth from that time period.
Geologic studies which proved the shroud had picked up dirt from the limestone that is in Jerusalem's old city.
Pollen analysis identified 70 different types of pollen from the Jerusalem area, many of which were from flowers that occur during the sprintime.
The wounds from the scourging match a flagellum that is in a museum that was used at the time of Christ.
The blood type on the Shroud matches the blood type on the Sudarium of Oveido, the head covering which is considered by all to be authentic.
There is a wound on one knee that is swollen and matches the story of Jesus falling.
One shoulder shows that that the wounds from the flagellum were flattened, suggesting that was the shoulder he was carrying the cross.
There are two things on the Shroud that do not match the concepts depicted in art.
1. The "crown of thorns" was not woven into a crown but instead the wounds look like a clump from the bush was just stuck on his head. More plausible than soldiers weaving a crown.
2. The nails in the hands were not in the palms but in the wrist beneath the bone which is actually how the Romans did it.
The shroud cannot be taken off of any other person who was crucified for several reasons.
1. They did not scourge people who were going to be crucified.
2. They did not put crowns of thorns on people being crucified.
Finally, there is one unique thing about this burial shroud that you would never find in any other burial shroud.
They cut a strip off the shroud lengthwise about two inches wide and then they use that to tie up the shroud. This strip has been painstakingly and expertly sewn back onto the shroud. It would be impossible to do that to a shroud that had been in a tomb for any length of time, also why would you do that? This exhibits love and reverence for the shroud. It was done so well that it was not readily apparent to the investigators.
Textile studies proving the cotton fibers came from the area
Textile studies showing the weave that was done matched other types of cloth from that time period.
Geologic studies which proved the shroud had picked up dirt from the limestone that is in Jerusalem's old city.
Pollen analysis identified 70 different types of pollen from the Jerusalem area, many of which were from flowers that occur during the sprintime.
The wounds from the scourging match a flagellum that is in a museum that was used at the time of Christ.
The blood type on the Shroud matches the blood type on the Sudarium of Oveido, the head covering which is considered by all to be authentic.
There is a wound on one knee that is swollen and matches the story of Jesus falling.
One shoulder shows that that the wounds from the flagellum were flattened, suggesting that was the shoulder he was carrying the cross.
There are two things on the Shroud that do not match the concepts depicted in art.
1. The "crown of thorns" was not woven into a crown but instead the wounds look like a clump from the bush was just stuck on his head. More plausible than soldiers weaving a crown.
2. The nails in the hands were not in the palms but in the wrist beneath the bone which is actually how the Romans did it.
The shroud cannot be taken off of any other person who was crucified for several reasons.
1. They did not scourge people who were going to be crucified.
2. They did not put crowns of thorns on people being crucified.
Finally, there is one unique thing about this burial shroud that you would never find in any other burial shroud.
They cut a strip off the shroud lengthwise about two inches wide and then they use that to tie up the shroud. This strip has been painstakingly and expertly sewn back onto the shroud. It would be impossible to do that to a shroud that had been in a tomb for any length of time, also why would you do that? This exhibits love and reverence for the shroud. It was done so well that it was not readily apparent to the investigators.
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What about the biblical evidence? Does anybody really think that if that shroud had been preserved it would not be mentioned in the New Testament? And who would have preserved it? The Gospels tell us that the disciples simply viewed the empty tomb and went away. The Shroud of Turin is simply another hoax and was never mentioned until the 14th century, when it was declared a fake by the bishop of Troyes. Just like the fragments of the cross of Christ, and many other fanciful ideas.
It is mentioned in the Bible. Do you really think that the disciples would see the shround and the Sudarium and then just throw them away?
John 20: 5 and stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in. 6 Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying, 7 and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.
John 20: 5 and stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in. 6 Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying, 7 and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.
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Do you really think that they entered the tomb and collected those cloths under the circumstances? That is an absurd notion. They were more interested in seeing the Risen Lord, not His burial cloths which He had left behind. Chances are that the two angels who had come to the tomb removed them so that they would never become "relics".
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