Have you taken the red pill yet?

[ButterflyJones]

Do you have any links on the Shroud of Turin? I would be interested in your take, as I don't know much about that (generally putting it down - without real evidence - to Catholic types who want to believe in miracles so much that they imagine them).

You don't know what you are talking about. The Shroud is about 12 feet long. You put the body at one end and then fold it over so six feet is on the back and six feet is on the front. Then you wrap it up with the cord you cut off the lengthwise.

The Face cloth ties up the jaw.

Seriously, the Shroud was studied by a team of scientists and some have been studying if for decades. You have 0 idea what you are talking about.

The best documentary I've watched to date concerning the shroud and evidence for its authenticity was broadcast on History channel years ago.

The Real Face of Jesus, by Ray Downing.

Turns out the image on the shroud wasn't produced by man, or inks and stencils and any number of other claims that charge the shroud is a fake.

The image was put into the fibers of the shroud by photon energy. Light!
So to say Christ's body filled with light and that photon radiance filling his form penetrated the fibers and left his form, wounds and all, in the cloth.

The image isn't set on the cloth. It penetrates and changed the molecular structure of the fabric.

 

[ZNP]

The best documentary I've watched to date concerning the shroud and evidence for its authenticity was broadcast on History channel years ago.

The Real Face of Jesus, by Ray Downing.

Turns out the image on the shroud wasn't produced by man, or inks and stencils and any number of other claims that charge the shroud is a fake.

The image was put into the fibers of the shroud by photon energy. Light!
So to say Christ's body filled with light and that photon radiance filling his form penetrated the fibers and left his form, wounds and all, in the cloth.

The image isn't set on the cloth. It penetrates and changed the molecular structure of the fabric.

Yes, excellent documentary.

 

[Moses_Young]

I could care less whether you or anyone else is interested in the Shroud of Turin, that is between you and the Lord. Meanwhile I'll let the Lord direct me as what I will consider and what I will forget.

It is astounding to me how arrogant some people can get, people who know absolutely nothing, didn't even know about the Sudarium.

I see now (from the other responses) why you were hesitant to provide me the information at first. However, I am grateful that you did. It's interesting, and I didn't know all of what you explained about the Shroud of Turin. Thank you.

 

[Karlon]

Many/Most people take the blue pill and go back to sleep - every day.

You only have to take the red pill once.

since you are the 1st 1 to post tell everyone what the red & blue pill is . this is an example of threads not specific. you would get more responses if everyone knew what you were talking about. not criticism just aiming to help.

 

[PennEd]

I didn't say the Shroud, the Sudarium is the cloth that wrapped around the head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarium_of_Oviedo

John 20:7 calls it the napkin

There is no DNA in blood, but the blood type for the Sudarium is the same as on the Shroud, the odds of that happening by chance is 1/10

Although for the most part there isn’t DNA in RED blood cells, there IS DNA in other parts of the blood.

How much DNA is in a drop of blood?


Blood of a healthy individual usually contains 4–7 x 106 leucocytes per milliliter blood. This means that the DNA content can vary between 30 and 40 µg/ml blood depending on the donor. The RNA content is relatively low and varies between 1–5 µg/ml blood. This means that blood contains about 10x more DNA than RNA.

 

[ZNP]

Although for the most part there isn’t DNA in RED blood cells, there IS DNA in other parts of the blood.

How much DNA is in a drop of blood?


Blood of a healthy individual usually contains 4–7 x 106 leucocytes per milliliter blood. This means that the DNA content can vary between 30 and 40 µg/ml blood depending on the donor. The RNA content is relatively low and varies between 1–5 µg/ml blood. This means that blood contains about 10x more DNA than RNA.

The Shroud was investigated by scientists in 1988, it was under heavy scrutiny as these objects are considered sacred relics. Our ability to get DNA has improved dramatically in the last 35 years.

1988 is around the first time DNA was ever used to prove a criminal had committed the crime (Colin Pitchfork -- rape and murder).

The problem is getting the Catholic church to allow samples being taken from both objects now.

 

[GaryA]

since you are the 1st 1 to post tell everyone what the red & blue pill is . this is an example of threads not specific. you would get more responses if everyone knew what you were talking about. not criticism just aiming to help.

I intentionally did not explain it in the OP. (for "effect" - most people would know what I was talking about immediately upon reading the OP)

However, if you will read post #8 - that should help a bit...

 

[GaryA]

Yep, I taught forensics and would do three case studies, JFK, 911 and Shroud of Turin. It is stunning to me how they could get away with something like that and the US people would just go along with it and ignore all the evidence.

You seem to indicate here that you believe the Shroud of Turin is one of the many 'fake' things whereby "the wool has been pulled over the eyes of the public" - yet, later in the thread, you seem to be dead-set in believing it is true-to-the-last.

?????

 

[Karlon]

to GaryA: i would love to have a conversation on the JFK assassination with you. where's the right place? to this day, few people know the truth. i do!

 

[ZNP]

You seem to indicate here that you believe the Shroud of Turin is one of the many 'fake' things whereby "the wool has been pulled over the eyes of the public" - yet, later in the thread, you seem to be dead-set in believing it is true-to-the-last.

?????

On the contrary,
911 was blamed on others and used to justify a war when it was an inside job.

JFK assassination was blamed on others and used to justify the cold war against Russia as well as getting heavily involved in Vietnam when it was an inside job.

Shroud of Turin has been dismissed based on supposed Carbon 14 data, when in fact the evidence is overwhelming to confirm that it is authentic.

In all three cases they are holding down the truth in unrighteousness.

For example, if I were to examine an ancient artifact and prove it was a fake I must also show how the forger did the forgery. No one has been able to do that.

You could argue that it is a remarkable good forgery as well as being remarkably lucky to have the right blood type, but then the evidence from NASA blows that away. The Shroud contains 3d information and when it was decoded you got what looked like a typical middle eastern man.

Therefore it is not good enough to simply figure out some incredible way to put the image on the shroud, it would have to be done with 3d information meaning the shroud would have to be wrapped around the source of the image and that source would have to be in the shape of a typical middle eastern man. What one scientist said was this "we could have confirmed this was authentic if it weren't for the implication of that"

 

[GaryA]

to GaryA: i would love to have a conversation on the JFK assassination with you. where's the right place? to this day, few people know the truth. i do!

Why hold back? Start a new thread and tell all...

 

[ZNP]

to GaryA: i would love to have a conversation on the JFK assassination with you. where's the right place? to this day, few people know the truth. i do!

The whole truth? That would include the Bush family, Nixon, Watergate, and the Free Masons.

 

[Karlon]

Why hold back? Start a new thread and tell all... [/QUOTE was thinking of telling but the situation is too delicate.

 

[Karlon]

The whole truth? That would include the Bush family, Nixon, Watergate, and the Free Masons.

somewhat but not really.

 

[ZNP]

 

[Dude653]

On the contrary,
911 was blamed on others and used to justify a war when it was an inside job.

JFK assassination was blamed on others and used to justify the cold war against Russia as well as getting heavily involved in Vietnam when it was an inside job.

Shroud of Turin has been dismissed based on supposed Carbon 14 data, when in fact the evidence is overwhelming to confirm that it is authentic.

In all three cases they are holding down the truth in unrighteousness.

For example, if I were to examine an ancient artifact and prove it was a fake I must also show how the forger did the forgery. No one has been able to do that.

You could argue that it is a remarkable good forgery as well as being remarkably lucky to have the right blood type, but then the evidence from NASA blows that away. The Shroud contains 3d information and when it was decoded you got what looked like a typical middle eastern man.

Therefore it is not good enough to simply figure out some incredible way to put the image on the shroud, it would have to be done with 3d information meaning the shroud would have to be wrapped around the source of the image and that source would have to be in the shape of a typical middle eastern man. What one scientist said was this "we could have confirmed this was authentic if it weren't for the implication of that"

inside job. ...yeah Muslims got inside planes and flew them into buildings

 

[GaryA]

inside job. ...yeah Muslims got inside planes and flew them into buildings

No personal insult intended by this response; however, the fact remains - anyone who still believes this is extraordinarily naive and extremely ignorant about the reality of the world they live in.

"Just sayin'..."

 

[Dude653]

No personal insult intended by this response; however, the fact remains - anyone who still believes this is extraordinarily naive and extremely ignorant about the reality of the world they live in.

"Just sayin'..."

Nope.. all these 911 conspiracy theories have been debunked for like 20 years now
Also if you think your own government would kill 3,000 americans, why haven't you left yet?

 

[soberxp]

In the 90's when I worked at RiceTec is when I realized that they were adding drugs to our food supply that are as addictive as Cocaine(or more HFCS is 4 times as addictive), and at first I tried to just stop eating or drinking it cold turkey(bad mistake don't try it you'll end up in the hospital,lol )... Anyway to avoid withdrawal symptoms(dry mouth,energy loss,agitation,ill feelings ect.) I began both growing our own food and searching for foods that don't contain HFCS(high-fructose corn syrup),Aspartame ect. and sort of milked us off it over time. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/tech-sugar-and-fat-may-be-as-addictive-as-cocaine-052213

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I thought it was just a story in a movie, another movie about drinks with ingredients that make people thirsty. I always thought it was just a movie, but art comes from real life.

 

[ZNP]

Nope.. all these 911 conspiracy theories have been debunked for like 20 years now

Good point! 2008 proved that there were no inside people in the government trying to bring us down. Likewise with the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Military precision, that is what I am talking about.

Besides if 911 had been an inside job, and if the three towers (buildings 1, 2 and 7) had been brought down by explosives then when the ATF had arrived a simple test with a sniffer would have identified that, this test is so simple and so cheap that the ATF didn't even bother to do it, that is how stupid that idea is. Besides you can't hide the evidence of thermite. All you have to do is look at the steel and it would be obvious. Granted the military guarded the steel and wouldn't let the forensic investigators check it out and then sent it to China to be melted down, because that is a stupid idea, so stupid they didn't even need to check it. Besides, thermite burns at a temperature much, much hotter than jet fuel, that fire would have been burning at 2,000 degrees and since thermite burns steel it would have burned for a long, long time. Granted the fire at the World Trade center did burn at 2,000 degrees and it also burned for over a month, the longest fire for a skyscraper in US history, but those are simply inconvenient coincidences.

Nope, there was obviously no motive to do this, other than of course they passed the Patriot act and then got unlimited funding to upgrade our military with drones and robots and AI, but the idea that the US or any other government would conduct an attack so they could blame it on someone else is just ridiculous. Yes, that happened prior to the Vietnam war, and yes, Germany did that prior to WWII, and sure we have had other times the CIA tried to manipulate us and others to carry out their plans.

Look everyone always points to Eisenhower warning us about the military industrial complex taking over, and then the assassination of JFK was a coup, and then Watergate blew up and brought down Nixon because the deep state didn't want a populist president so they set him up with one of the guys who carried out the JFK assassination and then George Bush actually was the guy at the CIA who ran that operation and coincidentally his son is there to run the 911 operation. All of that is too tidy. Sometimes it is just easier to close your eyes, click your heels three times and say "I do believe in coincidences, I do, I do, I do".