Is the Vaccine the Mark of the Beast (MOTB)?

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Amanuensis

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The reverse is also true
But that is like being in a burning building sitting at a table and saying "we do not know the long term effects of fire extinguishers"

We know that the vaccines save lives. We have proof. We know that they are safe. We have proof. We do know that there have never been long term adverse affects of any vaccine and there is no plausible scientific theory that suggests there will be one with these that are being used even the mRNA since they all result in your own immune system creating the antibodies and there has never been any long term adverse affect of that causing problems in the history of vaccines.
 

ZNP

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Wow, there are some Pfizer salesmen masquerading on this thread.

What we do know is that

1. The vaccine does give a certain level of immunity to the original strain of the Covid-19 virus, but it is leaky with about 50% effectiveness. This means that initially it will offer a certain level of protection, however it has 0 chance of leading to herd immunity and instead will simply create an environment that favors mutations to strains it doesn't protect you from (for example Israel has demonstrated this).

2. The vaccine works by causing your body to create antibodies specific to this one characteristic of this one virus. These antibodies are useless at combatting any other virus. So instead of producing non specific antibodies which would protect you from 100 different pathogens you are now producing specific antibodies which give you enhanced protection against 1 virus and no protection against the other 99. No doubt your body still has non specific antibodies but with every shot and every booster you get that tells the mRNA what to produce you are weakening your immune system and becoming more and more dependent on getting the latest booster shot.

3. We have seen that once a strain mutates to a variant where the vaccine gives no protection it is more dangerous for this very reason. Especially to the vaccinated.

4. We have also seen that people who survived Covid and recovered have 20x greater immunity and more durable immunity than those who are vaccinated.

5. We also know that the standard procedure for recommending a vaccine is a benefit risk analysis. Based on that you would only recommend it for the elderly and people with certain co morbidities. You would never mandate it for everyone. There is no reason at all to mandate it for children or pregnant women or people who have recovered from it. There is no chance at all of getting to herd immunity with a vaccine that is only 50% effective.

6. If you understand points 1-5 then you would understand that this vaccine would have been a life saver if they had restricted its use to those most vulnerable. Mandating it for everyone guarantees strains that it does not protect against sweeping through the country and picking off the most vulnerable.
 
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" I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I’ll post a transcript of my dream in future)."

I disagree.. well it does not go inline with the word of God. Well to much to post here.. we know because its written allot of things have to happen "before" the mark. Only when He/it is taken out of the way ..then and only then does the AntiChrist come out in the open. That has not happened...we are still here. We have all power over the enemy...not some power but ALL power/authority.

Not like God to forget His own word. Well in Rev just before worship/mark He tell us those whos names are written in the lambs book will never worship the beast. See no one is telling us "worship the beast or die". Sorry that will happen and has not. Everyone that worships the beast, takes the mark they KNOW that they know they are saying NO to God and yes to the Antichrist. No one is blindly taking it. You must worship the beast or die. Then and only then does the beast tell the WORLD not some but the world to take that mark or again you die. We need to test the spirits.

Can this lead to the mark..sure but someone has to come out in the open that wow this guy ..theres something about him.. he seems to have all the answers. Haha.. its not Obama, Trump, Biden. This has always been about ISRAEL! He will come from somewhere over that area.. I believe.

And praise God Ahwatukee said it better
If you have been a christian for more than a decade you will see a pattern. There is always some new conspiracy concerning something we must avoid as it might be the mark of the beast.

Rev 13 does not read like that. It is a judgment upon those who worship the image. They will be killed if they don't worship the image. When it happens people will not have a choice. Those believers who refuse will be killed. It seems like a lot of wasted energy trying to follow each new conspiracy about the mark as though it is something that people take by mistake.

However, if the vaccine is safe and keeps people from dying and you scare them into not taking it and they die that is probably going to be a sin too. If they ask you to worship an image then run. If not, get the vaccine and get your family immunized before you loose one of them and regret it for the rest of your miserable life. (what I mean, is that the rest of your life would be miserable because of that burden of regret)
I disagree with you completely and like to warn you that you are deceived and trying to deceiving others. Our fleshly lives mean nothing to a true born again christian, to die is gain and to live is Christ. Do not sorrow for those that sleep in Christ...
 

ZNP

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This debate doesn't make any sense to me. Hitler made the Jews wear star of Davids, it was the mark of the Nazis. Was that the mark of the beast? No, but was it a precursor? Of course. Does it show that they were trying to separate out the Jews from everyone else so that later they could target their stores, move them to Ghettos, and ultimately ship them off to the gas chamber? Yes of course.

Now it is easy to separate out Jew and Gentile, but how do you separate out Christian from unbeliever? You can't tell from their heritage, or culture, language etc. However, you mandate a vaccine for everyone and without it you can't buy or sell and you know the Christians will become alarmed. You put 666 into the copyright and they will be alarmed. You require a vaccine passport to allow you into businesses and other venues and all of a sudden you have separated out the Christian from the non Christian for all to see.

Now you have someone to blame. It will actually be the vaccinated that get sick and yet every time they do you blame the Christians.

Now of course we have not gotten to the stage of chopping off heads if you refuse the mark because we have not yet gotten to the tribulation and we won't get there until we first have the rapture. He who restrains must step out of the way. At the rapture all those who are one with the Holy Spirit to stand against this will be taken. Right now it is like a huge tug of war with the totalitarian leftists on one side and the Christians on the other. The rapture takes all the Christians and then the leftists can pull society way over to the extreme (not like today, I mean really extreme, chopping off heads because you won't get this mark).
 
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Brothers and sisters in Christ, I'm reposting this thread being most careful to follow the guidelines of this site.

I really appreciate all the commentaries on this site about all topics related to the vaccine and the mark of the beast. We are here to help each other understand, to help us have eyes that see and ears that hear. We are here to prevent deception. God Bless You all!!!

I want to respond to statements I've seen here and all over the web about the vax being a precursor to the mark of the beast (MOTB). I have not seen a good explanation of 'precursor'. Does that mean this pandemic/vaccine is a global practice session for the beast system, training people to accept the MOTB (while actually killing people in body and soul as well, given the poison that’s in it including graphene and aborted fetal cells)? Let's consider some issues to ponder concerning whether this is a precursor, and I will also explain why I believe the vaccine is in fact the MOTB:

1. All the vaccines modify human DNA via mRNA.

2. The mRNA modifies a human's DNA, making the recipients genetically modified; researchers and doctors performing autopsies and studies on the bodies of deceased vaccine recipients are telling us that the DNA is chimeric.

3. Genetic modification of a human makes that human patentable because they are no longer found in nature; only those things NOT found in nature can be patented and owned; so now ownership of those who were previously human and are now modified becomes possible (you may be aware that patents for these vaccines existed prior to the COVID PLANdemic).

4. Revelation 18:13 tells us that in the beast system merchants will trade in the souls of men. This must be because by the time the beast system is fully fledged, those who were once men, who were previously made in God's image, and have been transformed into chimeras will be patented and owned and enslaved. Remember that the intent of the powers (that should not be) is that vast numbers who take this jab will die (gradually, in this staged genocide because it can't be obvious that the jab is the cause of death; also, they want us to bury our own dead so they don't have to deal with piles and piles). Those remaining or surviving as modified humanoids (ideal max population is written in the Georgia guidestones) will be patentable and owned.

5. God made us in his image, inclusive of our DNA. When our DNA is modified and we're patentable or owned by the beast, can our body still be the temple of God? Can such a soul that is patented and traded still be made in God's image? (Remember, historical slavery is NOT the same as the slavery resulting from being patented and traded in the beast system, because slaves like the Jews in ancient Egypt or African Americans in the United States were not genetically modified). The beast system takes slavery to a whole new level, without possibility of freedom, or even a fight for freedom. All minds are locked into the artificial intelligence (AI) hive.

6. It should be clear to Christians that we are in end times because of the magnitude of deception in the world (deception is a major birth pang of the end times see Matthew 24). The deception is very obvious because COVID is treatable and treatments are banned, abolished, and some pharmacies carrying the treatments are being destroyed in parts of the world.

7. I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I’ll post a transcript of my dream in future).

Many insist that the vax is NOT the MOTB because it appears to be sneaked into the world, and is happening outside of the prophetic timeline ie., prior to prophetic events that are supposed to occur before it. Remember that even the MOTB has to have a starting point, an inception point, which builds up to the climax in the beast system where the penalty is death. Remember even Jesus came in a manner that was completely unexpected for the Jews; He did not appear to arrive in the manner they expected nor did He say the things they wanted to hear; so they proceeded to reject and crucify him. Remember that Eve ate the apple because she was deceived; she did not remember God's warning and instead believed Satan that she would 'surely not die', and so the fate of mankind was sealed. Similarly many misunderstand and reject God's teachings, and will be deceived and take the mark, and seal their eternal fate. Remember, that the Book of Revelation has been warning us about the mark of the beast for centuries and for Christians who have taken the time to truly understand His Holy Word, God will provide clear warnings. God sent me such a warning and I am compelled to declare it from as many rooftops as possible to His followers.

Is there salvation after taking the mark because you did not realize it is the mark, because it is being delivered via deception as a treatment? That is above my spiritual pay grade. However, as Christians, we love one another and pray ceaselessly for each other. Members of my immediate family have taken it despite my warnings, and despite showing them videos by very informed and highly respected doctors, pastors, and researchers. I pray for them daily, believing in the mercy of God, while very aware of the fate of those who take the mark which is spelled out in Revelation. Their fate is above my spiritual pay grade.

We have to understand that God turns those who are not true followers over to deception. And deception takes many forms. Who are the true followers of Jesus Christ? Each of us has to examine our souls and seek Him with all our heart, mind, body and soul.

What about children or the old who are given the MOTB without their consent? God is merciful and they are safely in His loving hands. He can do all things. He made us, He created the entire universe, He can certainly undo a mark imposed on the innocent. We pray for them.

As we witness the INCEPTION of the mark of the beast, many Christians believe the false doctors and apostate teachers and pastors that the vax is a protection and treatment. Christians have to ask themselves why a vaccine that does not prevent infection or transmission is protective? And we as Christians have to ask why a mask should be worn by only the unvaccinated, when the vaccinated also transmit and infect? And also ask why only the unvaccinated should be excluded from restaurants, gyms, etc, when in fact the vaccination itself does not prevent transmission or infection, and when there is ALWAYS asymptomatic spread? We have to ask ourselves what should be we vaccinated for even though the virus responds well to even natural treatments and supplements, not to mention hydrocholoroquine and ivermectin? Surely these, and many other obvious lies and inconsistencies should be a clear sign that there is a NEFARIOUS hidden agenda behind this jab.

What has to be understood is that the MOTB system as depicted in Revelation 13 will not happen overnight, in one instance, where the old serpent appears as the Antichrist and blatantly declares 'TAKE MY MARK OR DIE'. However, when the beast system is fully in place I do think that the Antichrist will blatantly threaten those who are highly resistant to the mark. The vast majority of those who will strongly resist the mark are Christians so it's really only the Christians who will be threatened with death; non Christians will likely take it long before the penalty is death; for these, the penalty will be livelihood (buying and selling). The buying and selling threat has already started in 2021 in the guise of a fake vaccine.

Christians have to understand that we are in tribulation; our livelihoods are being threatened by these mandates. Our faith in Jesus is being tested. Do we trust Him to provide? That is the question we are faced with. We are appointed to tribulation, not to wrath.

We have to understand that Satan is not in the business of warning or disclosing; one must use wisdom and discernment to recognize the MOTB, that is why in Revelation 13:18 it is written 'here is wisdom' . Remember that Satan did not give Eve any disclosure, and God proceeded to curse mankind, and look at the fate of mankind since then. Nor will Satan give disclosure when it comes to the mark of the beast, he's not and has never been in the business of warning or telling the truth. It will be delivered via deception, just like the knowledge gained by eating the apple was delivered via deception; the old serpent told Eve, 'you will surely not die'. Regarding the vaccine, Satan's mouthpieces are proclaiming, 'you will surely not die'. Sound familiar?

Remember that the entire Bible and the prophetic Books including Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation, as well as the first Book of Enoch are God's warnings. If we have been studying the Holy Word, and walk the talk of our faith, and are truly born again, we cannot be taken by surprise; these warnings have been proclaimed by the prophets from the rooftops for thousands of years. The question is do we understand, or are we deceived?

Remember that Noah warned humankind for over 100 years before the flood (in those days people lived to 1000+ years of age), that the flood was coming. Yet they were eating and marrying and being given in marriage until the day Noah entered the ark. As Jesus warned us the end times will be as in the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37).

Remember that only 7 people entered Noah's ark.

Friends, let us pray those that refuse the mark of the beast will number more than 7.

Amen & Amen!
 
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Sell yourself as a slave and they will pay off the catastrophic economic policies and mismanagement of the government.
Im just curious how you all believe the Real ID fits into this discussion, bc i know if you dont get it you won't be able to go into state buildings or go on an airline. Also it helps the government identify you on cameras.
 

ZNP

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Im just curious how you all believe the Real ID fits into this discussion, bc i know if you dont get it you won't be able to go into state buildings or go on an airline. Also it helps the government identify you on cameras.
There are two choices, self rule or let the world be ruled by "the elites".

The whole idea that these people are smarter, wiser, and better at ruling than we are is contrary to the gospel. The gospel is that Jesus Christ, King of Kings, lives in me, the hope of glory.

So then it is idol worship to cede authority to someone else and denies the Lord who lives in you.

Here is what we know about elites ruling the world based on 6,000 years of human history. They rule the world in the way that is best for them. They are the antithesis of Jesus. The Lord, as the good shepherd laid down his life for the sheep. These "elites" are more than happy for the sheep to lay down their lives for the elites. They will start a war that costs trillions of dollars. They don't pay the price, the sheep do. Their kids don't die, the sheep do. Why do they fight this war, to gain power.

Recently we saw them lose this war (Afghanistan) in order to gain power. What is the biggest hinderance to the Satanic One world order? It is the Evangelical Christians located in the US. So bankrupt the US, give away their military might, do whatever you can to destroy your enemy from within. That is how the satanists work. They are a snake in the grass. The only way they win is if they can sneak up on you and bite you before you know they are there.
 
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There are two choices, self rule or let the world be ruled by "the elites".

The whole idea that these people are smarter, wiser, and better at ruling than we are is contrary to the gospel. The gospel is that Jesus Christ, King of Kings, lives in me, the hope of glory.

So then it is idol worship to cede authority to someone else and denies the Lord who lives in you.

Here is what we know about elites ruling the world based on 6,000 years of human history. They rule the world in the way that is best for them. They are the antithesis of Jesus. The Lord, as the good shepherd laid down his life for the sheep. These "elites" are more than happy for the sheep to lay down their lives for the elites. They will start a war that costs trillions of dollars. They don't pay the price, the sheep do. Their kids don't die, the sheep do. Why do they fight this war, to gain power.

Recently we saw them lose this war (Afghanistan) in order to gain power. What is the biggest hinderance to the Satanic One world order? It is the Evangelical Christians located in the US. So bankrupt the US, give away their military might, do whatever you can to destroy your enemy from within. That is how the satanists work. They are a snake in the grass. The only way they win is if they can sneak up on you and bite you before you know they are there.
sin multiplies by dividing.Mostly .They did organise 2 times in the bible 2 rape people.
 

ZNP

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I'm gonna pass, but where are we suppose to live?
I'm pretty sure that we are supposed to pray

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 

ZNP

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10 years of awe? Is this Biblical? And how do you know that the Great Tribulation is next?

It's crazy times for sure.
Yes it is Biblical and yes there are ten days from the Feast of Trumpets to the Atonement.

The Great tribulation is not next. Before that we have the Gog Magog war with Israel. This Afghan collapse has done a wonderful job of preparing the way for that war. It took place on the 50th anniversary of Nixon taking us off the gold standard. What he did was cut a deal with Saudi Arabia to only sell oil in US dollars making the dollar the world's currency, in exchange we would give Saudi Arabia security. Well, after seeing the collapse in Afghanistan Saudi Arabia just signed a deal with Russia, everyone feels they have agreed to sell oil in Rubles in exchange for security.

But before Israel can be attacked the Whore of Babylon needs to be judged with fire in an hour (the meteor shower on Sept 23/24) and then she will be stripped naked. After the collapse of the US Israel will be naked to attack. If Russia wants to offer security to the Middle East defeating Israel will be a great way to establish that.

But before that fire comes down the Man Child goes up.
 

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It's almost like you need to be vaccinated to have a job now, not quite there, but seems to be going that direction.
 

ZNP

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Esther 7:8 Then the king returned out of the palace garden into the place of the banquet of wine; and Haman was fallen upon the bed whereon Esther was. Then said the king, Will he force the queen also before me in the house? As the word went out of king's mouth, they covered Haman's face.
 

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Thanks to those of you who have read and/or responded to my thread. Even though we may not all agree, it's very important to engage in a debate and to share information that helps us all grow in our understanding. On an issue this important, informed opinions are critical. This age of technological advancement is the backdrop in which the Antichrist will come to power; it is written in Daniel 12:4 "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." The Lord is making it possible for us to be well equipped with the knowledge that is available to us, so that we are not deceived.

Here's a really excellent explanation from Dr. Sherri Tenpenny regarding genetic modification of our DNA by all the shots. She also explains why these shots are not vaccines.

I want to share this video by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny who explains why and how all the vaccines, J&J, AZ, Pfizer and Moderna modify our DNA.

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/what-covid-vaccine-all-about-and-how-it-works-body
There is just as much information that demonstrates that RNA cannot modify DNA. I'll discuss the video with the second head that grew afer my first jab.
 

ZNP

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Psaki referred to those who had gotten the vaccine as the "marked ones". We should stop using the term vaccine as it triggers censorship, how about we just use the term "marked ones" for those who are vaccinated and "unmarked ones" for those who aren't?

 

SophieT

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7. I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I’ll post a transcript of my dream in future).
dreams are personal and may or may not be from God. the problem with your statement above, is that you appear to be making the case for your dream being the definitive and deciding factor on whether or not the vaccine is the mark

as others have pointed out, the Bible defines where that mark will be implemented and it is not in the arm where vaccines are given

another problem with your dream, is that you should have been able to know that the vaccine is NOT the mark of the beast...the Bible is clear on what that is and where it will be given...praying for an answer when you already had one, means you are looking beyond scripture and that is ALWAYS going to lead a person off the road

I believe what you are offering here, is not from God

you have a video made...almost an hr long...and appear to be trying to get followers on youtube, so it is not just a video at all

I will go with what scripture states and I caution all who are inclined to follow dreamers and so called prophets to search the Bible first because God's word will last forever but these dreamers and merchants of the supernatural change what they say every day and the internet is filled with them

nothing personal...but people use some discernment!
 
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" I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I’ll post a transcript of my dream in future)."

I disagree.. well it does not go inline with the word of God. Well to much to post here.. we know because its written allot of things have to happen "before" the mark. Only when He/it is taken out of the way ..then and only then does the AntiChrist come out in the open. That has not happened...we are still here. We have all power over the enemy...not some power but ALL power/authority.

Not like God to forget His own word. Well in Rev just before worship/mark He tell us those whos names are written in the lambs book will never worship the beast. See no one is telling us "worship the beast or die". Sorry that will happen and has not. Everyone that worships the beast, takes the mark they KNOW that they know they are saying NO to God and yes to the Antichrist. No one is blindly taking it. You must worship the beast or die. Then and only then does the beast tell the WORLD not some but the world to take that mark or again you die. We need to test the spirits.

Can this lead to the mark..sure but someone has to come out in the open that wow this guy ..theres something about him.. he seems to have all the answers. Haha.. its not Obama, Trump, Biden. This has always been about ISRAEL! He will come from somewhere over that area.. I believe.

And praise God Ahwatukee said it better
Put my treasures where my heart is
Blade: Well i could say the hearts deceitful above all things and desperately wicked Jeremiah 17:9.But rather let us say sin is deceitful above all things.Remember good guys r sealed first Rev 9:4 & Eze 9:4...peace!