Is the Vaccine the Mark of the Beast (MOTB)?

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ZNP

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Or maybe you don't understand english? The Bible is translated to English
It's specifically says the mark of the base will be a mark on the hand or the forehead. Vaccines don't leave a mark
Once again, chaff and redirect. The Post by SophieT assured us that the mark of the Beast would not be introduced deceptively. That is what I am taking issue with.

More clear word from the Bible:

Zechariah 10:1 Ask ye of Jehovah rain in the time of the latter rain, even of Jehovah that maketh lightnings; and he will give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

At the end of the age there will be a latter rain right before the harvest. We are seeing this right now as the internet lights up with testimonies, exposition, and fellowship.

2 For the teraphim have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie; and [a]they have told false dreams, they comfort in vain: therefore they go their way like sheep, they are afflicted, because there is no shepherd.

Teraphim is a household idol that speaks vanity, sounds like the TV. Diviners are talking heads, experts, etc. and they have been lying to us. Could be about Covid, could be about Afghanistan, could be about the border, just lots and lots of lies. They told us false dreams: the vaccine will result in herd immunity (false), Afghan army will be able to stand (false), Kamala Harris will eliminate human rights abuses at the border (false). We were comforted in vain -- get rid of Trump and we'll have an adult in the Whitehouse (wrong), he has 30 years of experience with foreign policy and so he'll restore our image internationally (wrong), he'll be great for our economy (wrong), he will not ban fracking (wrong), etc., etc. We have no shepherd, no one to trust.


This is our situation today, so stop assuring us that no one is going to pull a fast one with the vaccine.
 

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Once again, chaff and redirect. The Post by SophieT assured us that the mark of the Beast would not be introduced deceptively. That is what I am taking issue with.

More clear word from the Bible:

Zechariah 10:1 Ask ye of Jehovah rain in the time of the latter rain, even of Jehovah that maketh lightnings; and he will give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

At the end of the age there will be a latter rain right before the harvest. We are seeing this right now as the internet lights up with testimonies, exposition, and fellowship.

2 For the teraphim have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie; and [a]they have told false dreams, they comfort in vain: therefore they go their way like sheep, they are afflicted, because there is no shepherd.

Teraphim is a household idol that speaks vanity, sounds like the TV. Diviners are talking heads, experts, etc. and they have been lying to us. Could be about Covid, could be about Afghanistan, could be about the border, just lots and lots of lies. They told us false dreams: the vaccine will result in herd immunity (false), Afghan army will be able to stand (false), Kamala Harris will eliminate human rights abuses at the border (false). We were comforted in vain -- get rid of Trump and we'll have an adult in the Whitehouse (wrong), he has 30 years of experience with foreign policy and so he'll restore our image internationally (wrong), he'll be great for our economy (wrong), he will not ban fracking (wrong), etc., etc. We have no shepherd, no one to trust.

This is our situation today, so stop assuring us that no one is going to pull a fast one with the vaccine.
Yeah I suppose people could be deceived into taking it but it's still not a vaccine because vaccines don't leave a mark
 

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Once again, chaff and redirect. The Post by SophieT assured us that the mark of the Beast would not be introduced deceptively. That is what I am taking issue with.
that would indicate you believe God will allow deception and people will receive the mark by accident which totally disagrees with the biblical narrative

your petty observances of what it is I am supposed to have said, are obviously personal and due to the fact I do not believe your end of days scenario with the planet nibiru

it has been observed, that if a person gets a word wrong or does not appreciate your many posts and videos regarding this, you become belligerent and seek to undermine what they have said by falsely accusing, like you have done in this thread, them of saying things they never said or intended

you seem to be someone that cannot let anything go and must prove themselves to be right, especially when they are actually wrong

you are making less and less of a case for your own integrity

Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit. the mark is a seal of the devil. apparently you are confused on the difference
 

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The main passage in the Bible that mentions the “mark of the beast” is Revelation 13:15-18. Other references can be found in Revelation 14:9, 11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, and 20:4. This mark acts as a seal for the followers of Antichrist and the false prophet (the spokesperson for the Antichrist). The false prophet (the second beast) is the one who causes people to take this mark. The mark is literally placed in the hand or forehead and is not simply a card someone carries or a vaccine with nano tech that takes up residence inside a person


of course if you have a tendency to seek extra-biblical references and perhaps believe that God has given you special revelation,then you might be persuaded you alone understand what is actually going on

false alarms and false predictions occur with a fear based mentality and/or people who take a special interest in believing themselves to be above the rest of the 'crowd' and infallible

even when these false narratives, fail they will often make excuses such as 'I got the date wrong...it's really another date' or the implications is actually spiritual and not physical so I really was right all along

you can count on this happening on the 25th of this month when ZNP is proved wrong on his theories
 

ZNP

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that would indicate you believe God will allow deception and people will receive the mark by accident which totally disagrees with the biblical narrative
:LOL::ROFL::LOL:Really? What Biblical narrative is that?

How about Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did that which was evil in mine eyes, and chose that wherein I delighted not.

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2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: [f]only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord [g]Jesus shall [h]slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his [i]coming; 9 even he, whose [j]coming is according to the working of Satan with all [k]power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that [l]perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Whoa, God sent them a working of error?

your petty observances of what it is I am supposed to have said, are obviously personal and due to the fact I do not believe your end of days scenario with the planet nibiru

it has been observed, that if a person gets a word wrong or does not appreciate your many posts and videos regarding this, you become belligerent and seek to undermine what they have said by falsely accusing, like you have done in this thread, them of saying things they never said or intended

you seem to be someone that cannot let anything go and must prove themselves to be right, especially when they are actually wrong

you are making less and less of a case for your own integrity
Is this a convoluted retraction?

Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit. the mark is a seal of the devil. apparently you are confused on the difference
Apparently you are. The point about the "mark of the beast" is not that it is on the hand, it is that it signifies who you belong to and who you worship. The Old Testament had "marks" that you belong to the Lord by putting His word on your forehead, and on your door, etc. Every single believer should reject a vaccine mandate based on that. End of story.

The vaccine mandate is a very clear line of demarcation, "who do you worship?"
 

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never mind

I would not want to be you come the 25th

such deception!!!
 

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The main passage in the Bible that mentions the “mark of the beast” is Revelation 13:15-18. Other references can be found in Revelation 14:9, 11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, and 20:4. This mark acts as a seal for the followers of Antichrist and the false prophet (the spokesperson for the Antichrist). The false prophet (the second beast) is the one who causes people to take this mark. The mark is literally placed in the hand or forehead and is not simply a card someone carries or a vaccine with nano tech that takes up residence inside a person


of course if you have a tendency to seek extra-biblical references and perhaps believe that God has given you special revelation,then you might be persuaded you alone understand what is actually going on

false alarms and false predictions occur with a fear based mentality and/or people who take a special interest in believing themselves to be above the rest of the 'crowd' and infallible

even when these false narratives, fail they will often make excuses such as 'I got the date wrong...it's really another date' or the implications is actually spiritual and not physical so I really was right all along

you can count on this happening on the 25th of this month when ZNP is proved wrong on his theories
Once again, chaff and redirect. The issue is not whether or not the vaccine mandate is the mark of the Beast, I have never made that claim, nor was that the issue with your post that I had.

The point I have made is that Satan is a liar, he is a thief, we are not ignorant of his devices, and the Mark of the Beast is his device. The idea that he would not introduce it by deceit and fraud is patently absurd.

The second point which I have made subsequently is that the point of the mark of the beast is who do you worship, who do you serve. When Hitler put a star of David on all the Jews it was to mark them out from Germans and Nazis to identify who they worship. When they chop heads off in the tribulation it will be because people refuse to worship and serve the beast. If you stand with a vaccine mandate and justify what they are doing I cannot see any distinction between that and what they did to the Jews in Nazi Germany. You are marking people out for destruction.

Finally, claiming that this is petty is another claim you will have to defend when you stand before the Lord.
 

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Apparently you are. The point about the "mark of the beast" is not that it is on the hand, it is that it signifies who you belong to and who you worship. The Old Testament had "marks" that you belong to the Lord by putting His word on your forehead, and on your door, etc. Every single believer should reject a vaccine mandate based on that. End of story.
who I belong to ? who I worship?

I am not concerned for myself. I am becoming concerned for you however

you are making things up and flailing around in a vain attempt to create a false narrative about me

I have seen you do this several times now...with others as well. seek help
 

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Once again, chaff and redirect. The issue is not whether or not the vaccine mandate is the mark of the Beast, I have never made that claim, nor was that the issue with your post that I had.

The point I have made is that Satan is a liar, he is a thief, we are not ignorant of his devices, and the Mark of the Beast is his device. The idea that he would not introduce it by deceit and fraud is patently absurd.

The second point which I have made subsequently is that the point of the mark of the beast is who do you worship, who do you serve. When Hitler put a star of David on all the Jews it was to mark them out from Germans and Nazis to identify who they worship. When they chop heads off in the tribulation it will be because people refuse to worship and serve the beast. If you stand with a vaccine mandate and justify what they are doing I cannot see any distinction between that and what they did to the Jews in Nazi Germany. You are marking people out for destruction.

Finally, claiming that this is petty is another claim you will have to defend when you stand before the Lord.

nonsense

you are digging your own hole deeper and deeper

The point I have made is that Satan is a liar, he is a thief, we are not ignorant of his devices, and the Mark of the Beast is his device. The idea that he would not introduce it by deceit and fraud is patently absurd.
that is not the biblical narrative.
 

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who I belong to ? who I worship?

I am not concerned for myself. I am becoming concerned for you however

you are making things up and flailing around in a vain attempt to create a false narrative about me

I have seen you do this several times now...with others as well. seek help
You refer to the Bible and yet you never read it?

Revelation 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. 13 And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth [thought you said God wouldn't allow him to do that] by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived. 15 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [If this word offends you take it up with the Apostle John] 16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.
 

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you know, your angst about the 24th is really getting to you

God is good

perhaps a nap or a stroll through Central Park would help you out a bit
 

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let saner heads prevail, as the saying goes:

The Mark of the Beast
I know of no reputable biblical scholar or theologian who would endorse that the COVID-19 quarantine or a vaccine is related to the “mark of the beast”. For starters, in Revelation, the “mark of the beast” is by no means a medical procedure. Most likely, it’s not even a physical or visible mark at all. Contrary to some of the more fear-inducing theories that have in the past gained steam in some evangelical circles, the “mark” is not at all something that could be accidentally taken either.

Why? Because the mark of the beast (Rev. 13:16-18) is a mark that is closely tied to the worship of the beast (13:12, 15; cf. 19:20; 20:4). Thus, the mark of the beast is a mark of loyalty and devotion to the beast.

Moreover, when you compare those passages where the mark of the beast is discussed with passages like Rev. 7 and 14, it is plausible to think that the mark of the beast is most likely a sign that identifies you as something you already are—namely wicked and evil, a person of the dragon. I say this because when you read Rev. 7:1-8 and 14:1 (where the mark of the Lamb is discussed), you’ll notice it is a mark given to God’s people, God’s servants, in order to identify them as such and, of course, to protect them. They get the mark of the Lamb because they are already united with the Lamb.

It seems pretty evident that all of this is the case because these two marks—the mark of the beast and the mark of the Lamb—are meant to be seen as two polar realities, two opposite signs, marking out as it were two different types of people, namely, the wicked on the one hand and the righteous on the other.

What all this means is that the “mark of the beast” is most likely a spiritual, non-visible mark; it’s a mark of loyalty and worship and is not, therefore, something you could accidentally accept.

So you don’t need to fear getting the beast’s mark by taking a vaccine—unless, of course, you plan to treat the vaccine as a sort of symbolic expression or “unholy sacrament” (sorry for the oxymoron!) of your wilful and public rejection of the Christian faith that you despise. If that’s you and if that’s your plan, then it’s not the vaccine that’s the problem.

the one thing I might disagree with above, is that the mark may very well be visible. but it is not in the vaccine
 

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Gosh. Sorry for opening a can of worms, but can someone BRIEFLY say what is suppose to happen on the 24/25?
 

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Gosh. Sorry for opening a can of worms, but can someone BRIEFLY say what is suppose to happen on the 24/25?
in a condensed version (how did you miss all the videos and scriptures posted about it?)

ZNP believes there will be a catastrophic event that will result in the end of the US and if I am not mistaken, the rapture as well

he is a fan of the Bible codes and believes his name and the names of his family are in code in the Bible and he believes God has appointed him to warn us of this event

no I am not making it up....I might have missed some details...I might even have got the above not quite right...but just do a search on his posts and you will see it all

for pointing all this out, I am accused of being on the devil's side. it's nonsense
 
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Speaking of worms memories lost uh what was i going to say?Does it become a hangout for demon peoples?I mean the US?...:(
 

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in a condensed version (how did you miss all the videos and scriptures posted about it?)

ZNP believes there will be a catastrophic event that will result in the end of the US and if I am not mistaken, the rapture as well

he is a fan of the Bible codes and believes his name and the names of his family are in code in the Bible and he believes God has appointed him to warn us of this event

no I am not making it up....I might have missed some details...I might even have got the above not quite right...but just do a search on his posts and you will see it all

for pointing all this out, I am accused of being on the devil's side. it's nonsense
Thank you. I did see a bunch of that stuff, but it was in the vaccine threads and I wanted to focus on the vaccines in the vaccine threads so I didn't read or watch those posts.

I cannot discount that God has spoken to anybody, but I'm always leery about date setting.
 

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Thank you. I did see a bunch of that stuff, but it was in the vaccine threads and I wanted to focus on the vaccines in the vaccine threads so I didn't read or watch those posts.

I cannot discount that God has spoken to anybody, but I'm always leery about date setting.
right

there was no need for him to try and compare my saying the vaccine is not the mark of the beast, with someone who is taking the devil's side

he can believe what he wants and so can the rest of us
 
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Mark of the beast the only case of numerology of that kind in the Bible.The chapter and vs ones i found have to do with condemning the enemy and lesser to do with riches
 

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Gosh. Sorry for opening a can of worms, but can someone BRIEFLY say what is suppose to happen on the 24/25?
NASA has been tracking a celestial planetary system called planet X ever since 1979 when they sent up Pioneer 10 to track the object. It is a brown dwarf star called Nemesis surrounded by a black cloud of debris and a number of orbiting bodies and a long tail of debris. In 2003 Bush met with all the world leaders under the guise of "mending fences" after the Gulf war to advise them that this would come close to the Earth and cause catastrophic damage. In response to their own tracking of this Russia built a 400 square mile underground city in the Ural mountains, the US has also built 130 underground military bases that are cities connected by mag lev trains. There are a number of truck drivers delivering 18 wheelers to stock these places have posted videos of these underground bases. We also know that they are expecting catastrophic and imminent destruction because they moved Plum island bio weapons lab ideally located on an island remote from the mainland in the event of a leak, they moved the entire lab and all the employees and their homes to Kansas. One of the effects of this system passing the US is that it will cause the Earth's rotation to come to a stop briefly, that in turn will cause 300 foot floods at Plum island and the rest of the US (that will take a place a few years later than the initial catastrophic event, the passing of this system will impact the earth for a full 6 years).

Already we are feeling the effects, the Schumann Resonance which is a measure of the sum total of radiation hitting the entire earth is off the charts and has been for several years, getting worse and worse. More recently it has caused Earthquake activity to spike with the number of Earthquakes in August about 8x the historical average.

Several scientists and astronomers have leaked photos of this as it approaches. However, none of those people will go on the record as to the actual date we expect a collision other than to say it will be catastrophic. However, there is something called "predictive programming" where some believe that Hollywood elites who are aware of the latest tracking from NASA are saying at 1:17am on September 24th EST North America will be showered with debris.

There are prophecies of this event but in the Bible it seems it is a reference to the Revelation 12 where the stars of the heaven are cast to the Earth from the tail of the dragon.

Another interesting prophecy that seems to refer to this is the third hidden prophecy of Fatima. She gave it in a sealed envelope to the Catholic hierarchy, they released some dull idiotic vision, however later another priest got a vision of this catastrophic event as a judgement on the Catholic church and was told that was the 3rd dream of Fatima. The reason this is interesting is that shortly after getting Fatima's dream the Catholic church built a top of the line infrared observatory designed for seeing this brown dwarf star in our solar system (the only kind of telescope that can see it because of the cloud of dust covering it).

Historically it seems previous civilizations have seen this same thing (they say it has a very elliptical orbit that takes over 2,000 years to make one orbit around our sun).

The reason this shows up in this thread is because I have inferred that this imminent existential threat is what is really motivating the world leaders and that Covid19 is only an excuse. They are afraid the world will become Mad Max unless they can keep tight control on the situation.