Psychics, magicians, fortune tellers, astrologers and faith healers

[calibob]

Many people lack the discernment to recognize things from the spiritual realm like Demons. I assure everyone that if Jesus cast them into a flock of wild pigs they are quite real. We are forbidden from associating with any one who tampers with them like spiritualists and necromancers i.e. 'Saul and the Witch of Endor.' I wouldn't recommend watching such a thing. Nothing good can come from it!

It dosn't suprise me when someone that claims to be an atheist dosn't believe in the spiritual realm. They don't believe in anything that can't be seen or measured. However many are just too arrogant to follow a God they are expected to obey so they claim they don't believe but actually many resent the notion of God. They actively reject him and urge others to do the same. This is the spirit of the Anti Christ. It's been around since Abraham too.

 

[calibob]

3) But the Lord is faithful, and He will strengthen you and guard you from the evil one. 4) And we have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will continue to do what we command. 5) May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and Christ’s perseverance.

2 Thessalonians 3:3-5 BSB

 

[brighthouse98]

Porn???? A person did not believe that a person or a spirit can move in any setting,this example shows him,he was mistaken is all! What are you looking at?? I am as well as an older brother in Christ also a realist.Truth to me is very important to me.

And when a younger brother asks a question, here on this mature site I wish to answer that person in a very honest and perhaps direct manner. When he sees he will understand believe me! I know myself this is true. for in my evil days prior to Jesus bringing me out of an aweful pit( Psalm 40:1-3) I through a spirit which once dwelled within me,could do far worse to unbelievers!( Mark 5:15-20)

 

[Magenta]

Seriously, I appreciate the comment, but verses like this are exactly what turned me away from this faith, because they expect you to believe with out evidence. "Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see." Faith is what we hope, and evidence of things unseen , literally faith is the belief in something with out evidence, yet the fact that you have faith somehow is the evidence of the thing that you have faith in.

Not true at all. Paul gives a descriptor of faith in Romans, but that is not a full definition of faith, and the faith of which he speaks there is about the future, not the present, or the past. Nowhere are we told to believe without evidence. In fact, what Scripture tells us is that God WILL reveal Himself to those who seek sincerely/diligently. Half measures avail us nothing.

 

[Magenta]

In fact what happens is that atheists discard much of the evidence and claim it is irrelevant

 

[Mii]

Porn????

I think if you consider how porn operates you should be able to see the connection.

It's an observatory activity...voyeuristic activity like you are suggesting is not mentioned in scripture in ANY positive light.


Consider Isaiah 8:19

"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" ~KJV


But, God didn't answer me?!? Can you not answer someone with silence? What would prevent him from also doing so?
It is helpful for anyone who considers such things to view their own will in these situations. You can't cheat the Lord. You can however cheat yourself.

I get it, dying to your own will is hard. Some harder than others. Submitting vs exalting. It's a treacherous choice for some, but from my own personal experiences, he understands and is patient. That does NOT mean he agrees with our "journey" at all points. Bear that in mind.

I do appreciate that you have had your own harrowing journey but your advice I can't stand by. I don't know if this applies to you but it was brought to my attention through a reading of Acts about 6 months ago.

Simon the sorcerer had a "type" of belief, but his heart was not right in the matter. Consider that.

That's why it's a daily "picking up of your cross". Don't focus on the giant obstacle...focus on your daily walk and keeping your focus on Yeshua and abiding in him and these things will become tiny molehills. He sees. If you can't see him (in your mind's eye ofc) he sees that...that I most certainly believe.


If the enemy can "see" why would anyone presume the Lord does not? Who made sight?

 

[brighthouse98]

hehe I used to be simon.

 

[brighthouse98]

It has never been about what one has but rather how each of us choose to use what we have. hehe

 

[WhyNotAsk]

In fact what happens is that atheists discard much of the evidence and claim it is irrelevant

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion, if you just make more assertions and claim they are supposed to be evidence for your initial claim, that is what most people call digging a deeper hole. Because the more assertions one makes the more evidence they will need to prove their point to be true.

Rejecting assertions as evidence is a very valid thing to do, a claim made with out evidence can be dismissed with out evidence. We don't believe things we have heard, but because of the reasons those things appear to be true.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

As I have stated previously, and you seemed to have ignored, God doesn't subject Himself to the scientific investigations of men. Observational science simply is not the right tool set to investigate non-physical reality.

Actually science is the best method for investigating reality full-stop. Everything from the invisible to most blatantly obvious. Using the scientific methods we can determine the truthfulness of any claim. If science is not just physics, astronomy, biology or chemistry Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions. If you can't something is not observable or even the effects are not inferred, you might as well forget trying to predict and test with it. Because you can't prove such thing exists with out making assertions and assumptions.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

What are you talking about?

I already TOLD you God was observed by over 500 people to have risen from the grave. How is that not observable proof?

Because you just TOLD me that, there is no one who actually knows any of these zombies that got up and decided to roam the city for some time. Also if you had people risen from the dead, why did no one else from that area record that there where zombies in the street, but only the biblical authors. I say someone is making something up, considering we have never observed anyone rise form the dead and whats more lightly, laws of nature have been suspended in your favour, or the authors lied to make people sway a certain way.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

spiritual "porn" exists

Don't kid me bro, define "spiritual porn" something that makes you feel uncomfortable when you watch it? Where you ask the question why am I watching this, this is just wrong... You ever wonder where that inner voice comes from?
The critical inner voice is not a conscience or a moral guide. What most distinguishes the inner voice from a conscience is its degrading, punishing quality. Its demeaning tone tends to increase our feelings of self-hatred instead of motivating us to change undesirable actions in a constructive manner. Often, many of these negative voices come from our parents, primary care takers, and society as children we pick up on the negative attitudes that parents not only have towards their children but also toward themselves. Our voices can also come from interactions with peers and siblings, or influential adults. It's not some metaphysical force that gives us a sense of knowing when we are doing right or wrong, but a part of the brain that deals with social norms and integration.

Have look into where inner-critical voice comes from here

 

[WhyNotAsk]

Hmm how did dishonest come into the conversation, you know what I meant, u shot from the hip on that one later dude.

It's a question, not a claim, I have been speaking to a lot of charlatans who claim to know more then they do and they very often avoid answering you directly. Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments/ non related claims in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. Basically what you are doing. You ask so many questions, some of them not even related and avoid responding to those answers... This Is why I said "what is your point ? "

Please don't send link to random articles that have nothing to do with the topic we where talking about, It's quite frustrating and it wastes my time, I hope its not your intention.

 

[PennEd]

Because you just TOLD me that, there is no one who actually knows any of these zombies that got up and decided to roam the city for some time. Also if you had people risen from the dead, why did no one else from that area record that there where zombies in the street, but only the biblical authors. I say someone is making something up, considering we have never observed anyone rise form the dead and whats more lightly, laws of nature have been suspended in your favour, or the authors lied to make people sway a certain way.

The 500 saw risen Jesus Christ!

Are you aware that there is no one who knows Abraham Lincoln? Or Christopher Columbus? Or Muhammed? Or Alexander the Great?

But you believe they existed and did the things they were have recorded to have done?

Here we have a written historical account of a person seen by over 500 people at one time, after having been put to death and entombed?

So why don't YOU believe that?

 

[WhyNotAsk]

What are you talking about?

I already TOLD you God was observed by over 500 people to have risen from the grave. How is that not observable proof?

I Just TELL you right now that, millions of people around the world don't believe in Jesus or any other deity for that matter because they never had any proof to make them believe.

 

[PennEd]

I Just TELL you right now that, millions of people around the world don't believe in Jesus or any other deity for that matter because they never had any proof to make them believe.

What's that got to do with the 500 people witnessing a risen Christ?

 

[WhyNotAsk]

Or Alexander the Great?

The 500 saw risen Jesus Christ!

Are you aware that there is no one who knows Abraham Lincoln? Or Christopher Columbus? Or Muhammed? Or Alexander the Great?

But you believe they existed and did the things they were have recorded to have done.

Here we have a written historical account of a person seen by over 500 people at one time, after having been put to death and entombed?

So why don't YOU believe that?

There is a significant difference between Abraham Lincoln, Christopher Columbus, or Alexander the Great they all did things that are in the realms of physics and things that could be replicated, by other people.. most of these people also had more then one independent historical reference made about them. Unlike Jesus who according to sources written at earliest 30 years after his death claimed he healed the sick, rose people from the dead, rose from the dead himself and also 500 more people decided to rise with him at that same time... Almost like dead people rising was a normal phenomenon.

Point is ... Jesus at best is grossly exaggerated at worst just mere work of fiction.

 

[Demi777]

 

[WhyNotAsk]

What's that got to do with the 500 people witnessing a risen Christ?

Nothing to do with it just showing you the fact that what you claim to be evidence, is very weak and for that reason numbers talk for them selves, among people who don't just believe, because they heard someone say "500 people witnessing a risen Christ" that is only 500 out of 108,470,690,000 that ever lived...that is 1 in 216,941,380 I bet this argument wasn't what convinced you to become a christian, reason for that is obvious.

 

[PennEd]

There is a significant difference between Abraham Lincoln, Christopher Columbus, or Alexander the Great they all did things that are in the realms of physics and things that could be replicated, by other people.. most of these people also had more then one independent historical reference made about them. Unlike Jesus who according to sources written at earliest 30 years after his death claimed he healed the sick, rose people from the dead, rose from the dead himself and also 500 more people decided to rise with him at that same time... Almost like dead people rising was a normal phenomenon.

Point is ... Jesus at best is grossly exaggerated at worst just mere work of fiction.

Ha! What a joke.

The Gospels are THE most authenticated writings of antiquity.