Psychics, magicians, fortune tellers, astrologers and faith healers

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We probably all have seen one of the people from the title in action at some point in our lives, we seen people perform seemingly un-explainable feats
Yet under closer examination all of them abide the laws of physics and have a natural explanation. There was zero magic tricks performed under a scientific setting that proved to be unexplained by what we know about the natural world. James Randi a "magician" by trade, but a sceptic of the spiritual had issued a 1 million prize to anyone who could prove in a scientific setting that such forces exist, yet no one was able to claim it for last 60 years.

If demons, evil spirits , fallen angels , ghosts and other unseen forces are real why have we never been able to observe a single instance since the invention of the camera.

And if they are not real how can we believe in faith healing and other acts recorded in the bible as something more then just metaphors and myth stories like Zues and other god's leading up to that time ?
 
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Astrology too huh that’s quite the statement, how does a person observe the stars for signs.
 
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Astrology too huh that’s quite the statement, how does a person observe the stars for signs.
What do you mean?

Yes, astrology is grouped in with things people believe, but is something that was never proven to work it actually takes advantage of The Forer effect also called the Barnum effect, is a common psychological phenomenon whereby individuals give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically to them but that are, in fact, vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people.

Let me know, what you are trying to say ?
 
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What do you mean?

Yes, astrology is grouped in with things people believe, but is something that was never proven to work it actually takes advantage of The Forer effect also called the Barnum effect, is a common psychological phenomenon whereby individuals give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically to them but that are, in fact, vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people.

Let me know, what you are trying to say ?
An Astrologer is a person who study’s the stars.
 
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In order to see the signs in the firmament of the heaven a bit of astrology is needed.

Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
 
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In order to see the signs in the firmament of the heaven a bit of astrology is needed.

Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
But Astrology doesn't work , unless you are referring to astronomy which is a very different thing.
Also what signs are you talking about here. Supernovas, Magellan clouds, galaxies , black holes , solar or lunar eclipses , meteors or many other things that happen up there ?
 
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But Astrology doesn't work , unless you are referring to astronomy which is a very different thing.
Also what signs are you talking about here. Supernovas, Magellan clouds, galaxies , black holes , solar or lunar eclipses , meteors or many other things that happen up there ?
No I’m referring to the Magi
 
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Amos 5:8
Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

how many stars can be seen in Pleiades
 
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They followed the star that lead them to young child
That's what I mean, it's not something that has ever been proven to work. I can claim harry potter used his wand to levitate the mouse, but he was never able to demonstrate that.

This is not a scientific setting this is hear say. I read there for its real. Nothing about it is something that can be experimented with.
 
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That's what I mean, it's not something that has ever been proven to work. I can claim harry potter used his wand to levitate the mouse, but he was never able to demonstrate that.

This is not a scientific setting this is hear say. I read there for its real. Nothing about it is something that can be experimented with.
a non Christian, so what is your faith if any?
 
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Are you a atheist?
 
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Are you a atheist?
By definition: One who is not convinced or lacks a belief in a god
Yes, I'm an atheist

But I am open to possibility that God exists.

I don't know why this is important to the topic at hand.
 
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By definition: One who is not convinced or lacks a belief in a god
Yes, I'm an atheist

But I am open to possibility that God exists.

I don't know why this is important to the topic at hand.
Well if you’re open to the possibility of God existing, then you might be waiting for awhile for the proof, it is my belief God doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone.
 
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Well if you’re open to the possibility of God existing, then you might be waiting for awhile for the proof, it is my belief God doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone.
I believed in God and it meant everything to me, It coloured how I saw the world it gave me meaning and it gave me strength then, then one day I couldn't believe, I had questions, I had doubts, and they couldn't be answered, I searched, I wanted to believe and I tried, I struggled to make myself believe again, But I couldn't pretend I did without knowing that it was a lie ,so here is my question can a person simply choose to believe in something that they are not convinced of if not and God created our brains to require a certain level of evidence in order to be convinced. Why has he chosen to not provide that level of evidence for us. Even when though I wanted to believe
 

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By definition: One who is not convinced or lacks a belief in a god
Yes, I'm an atheist

But I am open to possibility that God exists.

I don't know why this is important to the topic at hand.
I believe that makes you an agnostic.
 
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I believed in God and it meant everything to me, It coloured how I saw the world it gave me meaning and it gave me strength then, then one day I couldn't believe, I had questions, I had doubts, and they couldn't be answered, I searched, I wanted to believe and I tried, I struggled to make myself believe again, But I couldn't pretend I did without knowing that it was a lie ,so here is my question can a person simply choose to believe in something that they are not convinced of if not and God created our brains to require a certain level of evidence in order to be convinced. Why has he chosen to not provide that level of evidence for us. Even when though I wanted to believe
so it was in one day that you have come to believe that God didn’t design the human brain?
 

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An Astrologer is a person who study’s the stars.
Actually, astronomers are people who study the stars. Astrologers are people who believe that the stars dictate the fate of humans. There's a big difference.

That said, there was a lot of conflation of the two prior to the invention of the telescope.
 

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We probably all have seen one of the people from the title in action at some point in our lives, we seen people perform seemingly un-explainable feats
Yet under closer examination all of them abide the laws of physics and have a natural explanation. There was zero magic tricks performed under a scientific setting that proved to be unexplained by what we know about the natural world. James Randi a "magician" by trade, but a sceptic of the spiritual had issued a 1 million prize to anyone who could prove in a scientific setting that such forces exist, yet no one was able to claim it for last 60 years.

If demons, evil spirits , fallen angels , ghosts and other unseen forces are real why have we never been able to observe a single instance since the invention of the camera.

And if they are not real how can we believe in faith healing and other acts recorded in the bible as something more then just metaphors and myth stories like Zues and other god's leading up to that time ?
In the Bible, demons, evil spirits, and fallen angels are spiritual beings, not material beings. You cannot capture the Holy Spirit on camera either, but that fact doesn't diminish His reality.

Your closing sentence is based on a false interpretation of the word, "real". What can be caught on camera does not define the term. If you don't believe me, then go and take a picture of the love your mother has for you. :)