Space Exploration. Fact Or Fiction? (And Other Thoughts!)

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#21
Well if it's true it will self-evident and untrashable, and if I do you will easily be able to dismiss my criticism and defend your position.

I already did my own digging, and I excavated the secret space program as fake. This is where you come in to enlighten me.
What were your sources to say they are fake?
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#22


[video=youtube;aRegvO5fKwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRegvO5fKwo[/video]

Quayle is in league with alex jones, this is a great sign of a disinfo agent/shill.

Also alex jones backs his predictions and makes prophet like claims about Quayle:

https://www.infowars.com/steve-quayle-the-man-who-predicted-it-all-speaks-out/


and apparently Quayle also attempts to give Jones credibility as well. Quayle has a fear-based ministry and that is why he does things like convince you the fake second space program is real. He enlightens you with the knowledge the government is even more deceptive and powerful than they let on, and backs their lies and is their mouthpiece.

Anyone "friends" of alex jones are no better than he is.
Whatever you say....You're wrong but....whatever you say
 
P

pckts

Guest
#23
What were your sources to say they are fake?
I don't trust or put faith in any sources other than The Bible. I take all ideas,theories,facts, eyewitness accounts, and beliefs at face value and compare it to physical evidence and the way our society operates to verify them. This rules out "leaks" or controlled opposition sources like alex jones and friends.

I believe the earth is "flat" so I don't believe there is an outer space to have a program for. I also believe that alex and Quayle are controlled opposition because anyone with a globally syndicated talk show or radio program with a large following are either silenced or recruited.

Bill Cooper was an actual source, although he had his limitations and was wrong about things, it was never intentionally. He's an example of being silenced. Jones and Quayle are allowed to ramble on and on for decades because they are controlled and working with the agenda of the "elite" as they refer to them. Do you honestly think the government wouldn't intervene and stop them if they were actually spreading the truth? If you think our world operates like this than I understand why you believe in secret outer space programs.


Whatever you say....You're wrong but....whatever you say
I subscribed to controlled opposition briefly, they are confident fast-talkers good at keeping their lies straight. They also prop one another up and lend credibility to each other.

I wasn't expecting to convert you and have you reject these beliefs you probably have subscribed to for years. Just wanted to challenge what you were saying and introduce you to the idea these men are lying to you and to the possibility the secret program is as fake as the public program. Infowars is not your friend or a source to trust.
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#24
I don't trust or put faith in any sources other than The Bible. I take all ideas,theories,facts, eyewitness accounts, and beliefs at face value and compare it to physical evidence and the way our society operates to verify them. This rules out "leaks" or controlled opposition sources like alex jones and friends.

I believe the earth is "flat" so I don't believe there is an outer space to have a program for. I also believe that alex and Quayle are controlled opposition because anyone with a globally syndicated talk show or radio program with a large following are either silenced or recruited.

Bill Cooper was an actual source, although he had his limitations and was wrong about things, it was never intentionally. He's an example of being silenced. Jones and Quayle are allowed to ramble on and on for decades because they are controlled and working with the agenda of the "elite" as they refer to them. Do you honestly think the government wouldn't intervene and stop them if they were actually spreading the truth? If you think our world operates like this than I understand why you believe in secret outer space programs.



I subscribed to controlled opposition briefly, they are confident fast-talkers good at keeping their lies straight. They also prop one another up and lend credibility to each other.

I wasn't expecting to convert you and have you reject these beliefs you probably have subscribed to for years. Just wanted to challenge what you were saying and introduce you to the idea these men are lying to you and to the possibility the secret program is as fake as the public program. Infowars is not your friend or a source to trust.
LOLOL You use the bible and you believe these things? Then its quite obvious that you don't really know what the Word says at all. I will agree, though, that you believe you do.
 
P

pckts

Guest
#25
LOLOL You use the bible and you believe these things? Then its quite obvious that you don't really know what the Word says at all. I will agree, though, that you believe you do.
I said The Bible is the only source I trust and put faith in, and I take all others at face value and do not trust any. I take what they say and attempt to verify it and If I can't I do not believe it. Jones and friends and secret space programs require you to trust the source and put your faith that they are not lying to you.
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#26
I said The Bible is the only source I trust and put faith in, and I take all others at face value and do not trust any. I take what they say and attempt to verify it and If I can't I do not believe it. Jones and friends and secret space programs require you to trust the source and put your faith that they are not lying to you.
But you believe the Earth is flat. That is not in the Bible
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,776
13,534
113
#27
But you believe the Earth is flat. That is not in the Bible
the Bible affirms that the sun "rises" and "sets" ((in case one doesn't believe their own eyes))

both are impossible if the earth is flat.

so there's some obvious cognitive dissonance here.
 
P

pckts

Guest
#28
But you believe the Earth is flat. That is not in the Bible
It's in the bible, or at least closer to that then the "globe"

[h=3]Psalm 104:5 ESV[/h]He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.
[h=3]Revelation 7:1 ESV[/h]After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
[h=3]Matthew 4:8 ESV[/h]Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
[h=3]Psalm 93:1 ESV[/h]The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
[h=3]Joshua 10:12 ESV[/h]At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
[h=3]Job 37:3 ESV[/h]Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.
[h=3]Isaiah 11:12 ESV[/h]He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
[h=3]Job 28:24 ESV[/h]For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
[h=3]Daniel 4:10-11 ESV[/h]The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
[h=3]Revelation 1:7 ESV[/h]Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
[h=3]Matthew 24:29 ESV[/h]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
[h=3]Ecclesiastes 1:5 ESV[/h]The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
[h=3]Revelation 6:13 ESV[/h]And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
[h=3]Daniel 8:10 ESV[/h]It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.
[h=3]Isaiah 22:18 ESV[/h]And whirl you around and around, and throw you like a ball into a wide land. There you shall die, and there shall be your glorious chariots, you shame of your master's house.
[h=3]Revelation 20:8 ESV[/h]And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
[h=3]Luke 4:5 ESV[/h]And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,


And outside of The Bible, all the videos and images of "space" and from "space" are fake, the weather balloon videos and amateur rockets show no curvature, the constellations have never changed position despite the earth revolving the sun, the sun revolving the center of the milky way, the stars all having their own orbits, and the universe expanding and each object contained moving away from the big bang origin, among other things. And the people who brought you the globe and support the lie today are occultists.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,776
13,534
113
#29
none of that says the earth is flat

if you take them all 100% literally then the earth's profile is circle-shaped ((this is true)) and also has "
corners" - geometrically impossible, by definition..
and you simultaneously affirm that images captured from weather balloons exist ((yes)), but show no curvature ((a repeatedly demonstrated false claim)), while saying they are "
fake," a conclusion you reach purely on the basis that that they are images of & from "space"
-- two more examples of cognitive dissonance.


 
Last edited:
P

pckts

Guest
#30
none of that says the earth is flat

if you take them all 100% literally then the earth's profile is circle-shaped ((this is true)) and also has "
corners" - geometrically impossible, by definition..
and you simultaneously say images captured from weather balloons exist, but show no curvature ((a repeatedly demonstrated false claim))
-- two examples of cognitive dissonance.


it's a circle contained within a square, geometrically possible.




Here are the weather balloon videos you claim do not exist and insult me for saying do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlJmBe1eeQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkGQVuNPsY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlLCKj85Ro&t=139s


I do not want to discuss flat earth with you, I've tried, go away this is my last response to your false claims and provocation (at least for a couple days).
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,776
13,534
113
#31


what's the profile of this - a circle or a square? obviously, square. no matter what shape i inscribe in it, it's a square.

you can't have it both ways. that's called "
cognitive dissonance"

if anyone were to "
look down on" this, it would be a square.

you've got problems, dude.
 
P

pckts

Guest
#32


what's the profile of this - a circle or a square? obviously, square. no matter what shape i inscribe in it, it's a square.

you can't have it both ways. that's called "
cognitive dissonance"

if anyone were to "
look down on" this, it would be a square.

you've got problems, dude.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;

Just because God sits above the circle doesn't negate the square. Last one I promise, unless I really really feel the need to correct you.
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#33
It's in the bible, or at least closer to that then the "globe"

Psalm 104:5 ESV

He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.

The spherical Earth sits on a foundation.

Revelation 7:1 ESV

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.

Holding back the four winds....North South East and West. The four extremities of the Earth

Matthew 4:8 ESV

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

What has this to do with a flat Earth?

Psalm 93:1 ESV

The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
Of course it shall never be moved. See Psalm 104:5


Joshua 10:12 ESV


At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”

Yeah..What does this have to do with a flat Earth?

Job 37:3 ESV

Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.

Yup. Again North South East and West.

Isaiah 11:12 ESV

He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

And again!

Job 28:24 ESV

For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
There ya go...North South East and West again..

You're not doing too well here!


Daniel 4:10-11 ESV

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

I'll allow that this 'could' lead one to believe in a flat Earth, but there is more to it. Dig in.

Revelation 1:7 ESV

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

Not a flat Earth scripture. Every eye will see Him. TV? Computer? Probably the same way they will see the two prophets during tribulation.

Matthew 24:29 ESV

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

What's your problem?

Ecclesiastes 1:5 ESV

The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
Well thats a good thing! Isn't it? The sun hits the West horizon and scurries around the globe so it can rise in our East. KGB! Kinda Good Boy!

Revelation 6:13 ESV

And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.

That will happen. Do you think there is enough room on your flat Earth to hold them all?

Daniel 8:10 ESV

It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.

Which stars are we talking about anyway? Constellations? Angels?

Isaiah 22:18 ESV

And whirl you around and around, and throw you like a ball into a wide land. There you shall die, and there shall be your glorious chariots, you shame of your master's house.

Flat Earth? How do you get that?

Revelation 20:8 ESV

And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

Oh! Here we go again....See above

Luke 4:5 ESV

And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,

Hey! You already used this one.



And outside of The Bible, all the videos and images of "space" and from "space" are fake, the weather balloon videos and amateur rockets show no curvature, the constellations have never changed position despite the earth revolving the sun, the sun revolving the center of the milky way, the stars all having their own orbits, and the universe expanding and each object contained moving away from the big bang origin, among other things. And the people who brought you the globe and support the lie today are occultists.
Any ball you throw looks like a disk when you look at it. So does the Earth. Your amateur rockets did not go high enough then. You can see the curvature from some airplanes. The constellations don't move? You see them wheeling in the sky at night. They are moving outward but the distances are so vast you would not see it change in many many years. What big bang origin? Oh Right? My Big God spoke it, and Bang! There it is!
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,776
13,534
113
#34
InscribedCircle.png

the claim is that only the red portion of the image ((the circle)) is the earth.

the claim is that the blue portion ((the square)) is not part the earth.

the claim is that the earth "
is a circle" ((nevermind that a circle isn't even a 3-dimensional object .. lol the thinking is not quite sophisticated enough to appreciate such things))
the claim is that the earth literally "
has four corners" - but the corners in the image above are not part of the earth. so they are "the four corners of..." something else.

the claim is that the earth is both a circle and a square; that the corners in the image are simultaneously both part of the earth and not part of the earth.

cognitive dissonance.
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#35
View attachment 173281

the claim is that only the red portion of the image ((the circle)) is the earth.

the claim is that the blue portion ((the square)) is not part the earth.

the claim is that the earth "
is a circle" ((nevermind that a circle isn't even a 3-dimensional object .. lol the thinking is not quite sophisticated enough to appreciate such things))
the claim is that the earth literally "
has four corners" - but the corners in the image above are not part of the earth. so they are "the four corners of..." something else.

the claim is that the earth is both a circle and a square; that the corners in the image are simultaneously both part of the earth and not part of the earth.

cognitive dissonance.
Good point PH A two dimensional image in a five dimensional world.
 
P

pckts

Guest
#36
View attachment 173281

the claim is that only the red portion of the image ((the circle)) is the earth.

the claim is that the blue portion ((the square)) is not part the earth.

the claim is that the earth "
is a circle" ((nevermind that a circle isn't even a 3-dimensional object))
the claim is that the earth literally "
has four corners" - but the corners in the image above are not part of the earth. so they are "the four corners of..." something else.

the claim is that the earth is both a circle and a square; that the corners in the image are simultaneously both part of the earth and not part of the earth

cognitive dissonance.
I didn't claim the square isn't part of the earth. God references the 4 corners of the earth as well as the circle of the earth, two parts of the same whole or universe.

cognitive dissonance
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,776
13,534
113
#37
anyway, it's nice for it to be made so clear that the entire reason that people like pckts deny the existence of space is because their cultic obsession with the idea the earth is a fritata demands it.

the earth is flat, therefore all evidence to the contrary is fake.

you can put "
confirmation bias" down right next to "cognitive dissonance"

i really got concern for you guys :(
 
May 13, 2017
2,359
27
0
#38
I didn't claim the square isn't part of the earth. God references the 4 corners of the earth as well as the circle of the earth, two parts of the same whole or universe.

cognitive dissonance
Oh I get it! The blue areas are four of the five oceans and the seven seas. LOL Where are the rest?
 
P

pckts

Guest
#40
Any ball you throw looks like a disk when you look at it. So does the Earth. Your amateur rockets did not go high enough then. You can see the curvature from some airplanes. The constellations don't move? You see them wheeling in the sky at night. They are moving outward but the distances are so vast you would not see it change in many many years. What big bang origin? Oh Right? My Big God spoke it, and Bang! There it is!
Never claimed the constellations didn't move, I said there arrangement and positions do not, leo looks the same for all of human history.

Both of you are claiming to make claims I've never claimed. Can't acknowledge or oppose the actual claims so you must resort to these tactics. Good night all