Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 17.9%
  • Never

    Votes: 70 59.8%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 26 22.2%

  • Total voters
    117

Fundamental

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The devil is always busy deceiving the nations, that is nothing new.

However I do not believe any of the conspiracy theories about Bill Gates. His donating money for vaccine development to Moderna (for one example) does not mean that he will profit from the success of the vaccine. I don't know if he owns any stock in Moderna, my guess is that he does not since I have already read how he will not be profiting from their success simply by donating to the cause. As far as I can tell Bill Gates believes in the science of vaccines and in using his money to help save lives.

What I believe is that many people who are accusing Bill Gates and anyone else of things that are not true, will be judged with the same measure they judged with. I know this for a fact because the Word of God will not return void...
Matt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Now instead of using this in the wrong context as it is so often used by those who want to hold on to their sins, we will use it as it was intended by Jesus in the original context...
John 7:7
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. It is not godly to assume that if a man donates to a cause they will gain financially from it simply because you are a skeptic and do not believe that the donater real cares about human lives being saved. Your skepticism does not equal "the way things really are" your skepticism could simply be you judging by outward appearance and you could be dead wrong. If Bill Gates simply wants to use his money to make a difference in easing human suffering in the world and you believe that he has other sinister motives, then when you stand before the Judgment seat of Christ and are still believing these things, and they turn out to be just you judging a man without cause what is going to happen? Do you care?
Of course will he gain of it. Do you think vaccins are handed out free? Don’t you think it creates a narrative on the stock market? Have you seen this through the eyes of a business man owning companies in big pharma? Billion vaccins equals multi times what he invested in vaccins; Also the money that is been given now must not be taken lightly. Money flows and circulates through companies and while they have it, they can use it to play on the stockmarket and manipulate their year numbers.
That world is very complicated and apparantly grew stronger then our own governments.

When Bill Gates has done and is doing evil things, we must not shy out on exposing this. Why are vaccins being tested in the most poor regions where there is no sufficient health care or justice system? Why oh why!? Black lives matter?
 

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Don't plan on taking vaccines for Covid. Can we find the new America and move there, just like the Pilgrims left Europe? I just don't think the worldly system has a place for Christians any more.
Yes now your talking my language... Your the first person ive met who has had this same idea. I started to contemplate what would happen if they mandate the vaccine or use extortion tactics by disallowing us to join society... I can only see two options...

1/ Less than 20% of people refuse the vaccine. I move to a remote location that isn't enforcing the vax

2/ Enough people refuse the vax to form a resistance. They build their own society, the unvaxxed... Now... In order for this to work the unvaxxed community will need armed forces because the vax world will retaliate by trying to destroy the vaxxed society... Therefore the vaxxed society will need a few branches of the police force to ally with... So... If the public splits 50/50 into vaxed and unvaxed societies it could work out, we will remain with God while they try to find their heaven on earth, their utopia.
 
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Yes now your talking my language... Your the first person ive met who has had this same idea. I started to contemplate what would happen if they mandate the vaccine or use extortion tactics by disallowing us to join society... I can only see two options...

1/ Less than 20% of people refuse the vaccine. I move to a remote location that isn't enforcing the vax

2/ Enough people refuse the vax to form a resistance. They build their own society, the unvaxxed... Now... In order for this to work the unvaxxed community will need armed forces because the vax world will retaliate by trying to destroy the vaxxed society... Therefore the vaxxed society will need a few branches of the police force to ally with... So... If the public splits 50/50 into vaxed and unvaxed societies it could work out, we will remain with God while they try to find their heaven on earth, their utopia.
 

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You will come to realize that "interesting" quickly becomes and understatement after you have concluded a thorough and exhaustive research on the apple, but that type of research requires the full armour of God with the most fervent prayer, with The Lord's guidance. If you were to go within the inner-circles of the Illuminati/Freemasonry, the evil is blatently in your face. Everything that Satanists do, even with their advertising, they use signs and symbols; It is intentionally done and they do this in complete mockery of everthing that is Christian.

The world's "Elite" are the "men of renown" that make up the Satan's Kingdom. They are the deceivers that are deceiving the entire world. Take television and movies as an example; and in my writing this, I am certain this is the first time you will hear of this, but with careful testing and prayerful research, you will come to learn, as I and others have, that television and movies have been the Devil's primary tools for deceiving the nations. In nearly all television series and movies, you will discover that images of idols have been used as "props", along with other types of symbols. When you take the time to break down the script of each one, that is where you will discover the subtle deceptions, and with each decade, they got worse and worse, all of which is why the world is in the shape it is in right now. Along with mockery of Christians, and blaspheming the name of The Lord Jesus Christ, they subtlely blended in things of the Occult, from Voodoo, including zombies (which are directly related to voodoo); vampires, because they drink blood, etc., and ofcourse witches and witchcraft. The deceivers indeed are witches, and there is so very much more that goes with that. I will share a few more tidbits; Psychics, Necromancy; Fortune Tellers; Yoga; Kundalini; - all the things of which indeed are the deep things of Satan, and all of these things, and more, have been flaunted right under everyone's noses from babyhood up, via Disney movies; P.B.S. children's shows; and as mentioned, the average television series and movies.

Not only do they own and control Hollywood and the Music Industries, but yes, they have had their grips in Governments, word-wide, for a very long time. Now, we are at the cusp of them working to make final usurpation of Authority away from Christians, and yes they are using the C-19 toward that end; hence the Socialists in all Governments. Satanists are Socialists, and that is where Socialism/Fascism/Communism originate.
Regarding the apple, in Genesis it was not stated what the forbidden fruit was, only that you must not touch or eat of it. It could very well be a apple but do believe that may be a common misconception. It could've been a mango for all that I know.

I agree with you that television and movies, in general, are primary tools of the devil as a means to deceive the people. Most advertising is deceptive too. If I could do it all over again I would not allow my daughter to watch any PBS children shows whatsoever as the purpose of those shows is to indoctrinate young minds into a radical, secular mindset.

Your post was articulate and on target.

I agree also that C-19 is a government vehicle of power and control over the masses. I also concur about the Elite as well. In fact, I agree with your estimation of your entire post.
 

kinda

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Yes now your talking my language... Your the first person ive met who has had this same idea. I started to contemplate what would happen if they mandate the vaccine or use extortion tactics by disallowing us to join society... I can only see two options...

1/ Less than 20% of people refuse the vaccine. I move to a remote location that isn't enforcing the vax

2/ Enough people refuse the vax to form a resistance. They build their own society, the unvaxxed... Now... In order for this to work the unvaxxed community will need armed forces because the vax world will retaliate by trying to destroy the vaxxed society... Therefore the vaxxed society will need a few branches of the police force to ally with... So... If the public splits 50/50 into vaxed and unvaxed societies it could work out, we will remain with God while they try to find their heaven on earth, their utopia.

I have an idea. We could start a commune, have a bunch of people gather their resources, and buy a chunk of land somewhere. Than build a Christian community. Be like a tribe or something. It's an idea. What could go wrong?
 

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Regarding the apple, in Genesis it was not stated what the forbidden fruit was, only that you must not touch or eat of it. It could very well be a apple but do believe that may be a common misconception. It could've been a mango for all that I know.

I agree with you that television and movies, in general, are primary tools of the devil as a means to deceive the people. Most advertising is deceptive too. If I could do it all over again I would not allow my daughter to watch any PBS children shows whatsoever as the purpose of those shows is to indoctrinate young minds into a radical, secular mindset.

Your post was articulate and on target.

I agree also that C-19 is a government vehicle of power and control over the masses. I also concur about the Elite as well. In fact, I agree with your estimation of your entire post.
I also agree, and should have mentioned that no one actually knows what the forbidden fruit was, but the apple is the opposition's (Illuminati/Freemasonry) symbol for it.

A little sidenote: Notice the attached images of Brad Pitt, that @Scribe used in his posts. Those images come from the movie, "Army of the 12 Monkeys". There is another movie that Brad Pitt also 'starred' in, and that is "Fight Club". Both movies promote anarchy, and both are Occult themed. In addition to the many movies that are about airborne diseases; quarantines; lockdowns; mandatory vaccinations; and there are scores of them; What is notable about Army of the 12 Monkeys is that airborne diseases were unleashed while the anarchists freed the wild animals from the zoos. "Time travel", in of itself is also Occult, and this too is mind conditioning. In the Bible we learn that Satan will attempt to change times during the Great Tribulation. In real time, along with Fascism/Socialism/Communism being originated with Satanists, so also is Anarchy. Their agenda is to turn the entire world into lawlessness, doing away with Lawyers and Bankers. Right now, as we discuss this, we know that archarchists are ruining cities across the U.S., all under the guise of "Social Justice," which is a branch of Socialism. They don't really care about the people, it's the vehicle by which they are using to carry out their mission while the rest of the population is being frightened into submission with the C-19. They are all Fascists/Socialists, etc. They are all Satanists; agents of Satan's Kingdom.

Now, per the movie "Fight Club"; There are many details that pertain to that movie. For one, they openly mock and use subliminal images of male genitalia, and that is also Occult symbolism, coupled with the obvious perversion intended to evilly influence the minds of people of all ages. The singer, Meat Loaf, acted the character of a man that grew female breasts due to hormone treatment; That is transgerism being flaunted along with the adverse side effect of drugs being the cause. Risperdal is a real time drug that has been reported to have caused many men and young boys to grow female breasts, thus destroying the men. Simultaneous to that reality, Colleges were teaching students against what they called "Toxic Male Syndrome," or something to that effect, attacking masculinity. I'm working to tie together how movies are used to desensitize via indoctrination and how these types of things are being carried out in society as a whole. These actions would have been considered perverse and traitorous by our forefathers.

Some other tidbits from "Fight Club" include Brad Pitt playing the role of Ed Norton's alter personality, of which we can discern to be a demon influencing Ed Norton's character. Before I proceed, I need to interject the inclusion of the various "self help groups"; In reality, the self help groups, including A.A. or Alcoholics Anonymous all have what they call a 12 Step Program. Cutting to the chase; All of these groups have and are still being used to not only redefine sin as a disease, but more specifically to indoctrinate the hurting people that go to those groups for help, to deceive them into embracing all religions, and thus bend the knee to Baal, as people of all religions meet in those groups, and they all for a circle (which in reality is a witches circle, unbeknownst to the members) to pray. Violent anarchy is the main thing to grasp per this movie; and anyone that is genuinely discerning will grasp that Ed Norton's character is that of the Antichrist. The Illuminati has Satanists placed in every aspect of Government, of all levels of Government, including the various institutions of Public Works, Police, Sherriff, from the bottom to the highest levels. This is why we are witnessing the Fasicist Governors and Mayors allow for the Anarchists to flourish their anarchy mission. They are all on the same team.

Jared Leto also had a "part" in Fight Club. In real time, Jared Leto, along with Brad Pitt, is a member of the Occult. There are videos on YouTube of Jared Leto leading some cult, as well as other video of him with a high ranking witch known as Marina Abramović, and the same witch was used by MICROSOFT to make a commercial, after Bill Gates stepped down as CEO, at the same time all other CEOS stepped down from other Corporations, but staying on point; all of these things and people are interlinked; While checking for the spelling of the Witch's name, I discovered another video, and will go ahead and share it here for the sake of giving you and others a "heads up" of how this goes all the way to the top of the Illuminati poisonous food chain: (Note that nothing is left to waste; "RA" is not simply an abbreviation for Royal Academy of Arts, it is the name of the Egyptian Pharoah "Ra", who is also said to be the "sun god"; the symbol and other details are found at the back of the Masonic Bible, and there is much more that I will say about how this directly relates to the synagogue of Satan at a later time.):


Marina Abramović: The Rothschild Foundation Lecture


Royal Academy of Arts
Streamed live on November 18, 2019
"Hear artist Marina Abramović talk about her work in the context of the past, present and future of performance art. This event is also an exciting opportunity to learn more about the new work she will present in 2020 in her solo exhibition at the RA."
 
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Of course will he gain of it. Do you think vaccins are handed out free? Don’t you think it creates a narrative on the stock market? Have you seen this through the eyes of a business man owning companies in big pharma? Billion vaccins equals multi times what he invested in vaccins; Also the money that is been given now must not be taken lightly. Money flows and circulates through companies and while they have it, they can use it to play on the stockmarket and manipulate their year numbers.
That world is very complicated and apparantly grew stronger then our own governments.

When Bill Gates has done and is doing evil things, we must not shy out on exposing this. Why are vaccins being tested in the most poor regions where there is no sufficient health care or justice system? Why oh why!? Black lives matter?
In order to bring an accusation against someone in a court of law you must present evidence. If all you have is your skeptical opinion then you would be considered a false accuser. God hates those. Literally hates them.

So present your evidence that Bill Gates owns stock in the companies that the Bill and Melinda Gates Non Profit Foundation is donating too. I am not saying that he does not. He might, sounds like a smart thing to me. I wish I had money to invest I would have put it in Moderna already. I did a little google search yesterday and did not actually find any information that says he was profiting from his foundation donations. But I have not spent much time on it. It would just be refreshing to see people post there data sources instead of accusations and rhetoric about "anyone who does not believe it is a devil and democrat or some such nonsense. "

And why is it not more logical that a billionaire who has nothing else to gain by making more billions would like to focus his remaining years on making a difference in relieving human suffering? Why is that an IMPOSSIBLE concept to you? Do you think if you were a multi billionaire that YOU would be able to focus on such things or would you become the antichrist if you were wealthy?
 

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In order to bring an accusation against someone in a court of law you must present evidence. If all you have is your skeptical opinion then you would be considered a false accuser. God hates those. Literally hates them.

So present your evidence that Bill Gates owns stock in the companies that the Bill and Melinda Gates Non Profit Foundation is donating too. I am not saying that he does not. He might, sounds like a smart thing to me. I wish I had money to invest I would have put it in Moderna already. I did a little google search yesterday and did not actually find any information that says he was profiting from his foundation donations. But I have not spent much time on it. It would just be refreshing to see people post there data sources instead of accusations and rhetoric about "anyone who does not believe it is a devil and democrat or some such nonsense. "

And why is it not more logical that a billionaire who has nothing else to gain by making more billions would like to focus his remaining years on making a difference in relieving human suffering? Why is that an IMPOSSIBLE concept to you? Do you think if you were a multi billionaire that YOU would be able to focus on such things or would you become the antichrist if you were wealthy?
You are very good at going around telling people what "God hates". What do you suppose God thinks of your defending an infidel and his work? You may very well disagree with the fact that Bill Gates is a Satanist, and you have a right to your opinion, however, the man is not a Christian, and neither is his wife.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. - 2Corinthians 6:14-18

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. - 1John 2:15

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. - James 4:4
 

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In order to bring an accusation against someone in a court of law you must present evidence. If all you have is your skeptical opinion then you would be considered a false accuser. God hates those. Literally hates them.

So present your evidence that Bill Gates owns stock in the companies that the Bill and Melinda Gates Non Profit Foundation is donating too. I am not saying that he does not. He might, sounds like a smart thing to me. I wish I had money to invest I would have put it in Moderna already. I did a little google search yesterday and did not actually find any information that says he was profiting from his foundation donations. But I have not spent much time on it. It would just be refreshing to see people post there data sources instead of accusations and rhetoric about "anyone who does not believe it is a devil and democrat or some such nonsense. "

And why is it not more logical that a billionaire who has nothing else to gain by making more billions would like to focus his remaining years on making a difference in relieving human suffering? Why is that an IMPOSSIBLE concept to you? Do you think if you were a multi billionaire that YOU would be able to focus on such things or would you become the antichrist if you were wealthy?
Well stated once again Scribe!
 

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I have an idea. We could start a commune, have a bunch of people gather their resources, and buy a chunk of land somewhere. Than build a Christian community. Be like a tribe or something. It's an idea. What could go wrong?
U have an idea... LoL. It sounds exactly like my idea... Hehe he...
First u need people with all kinds of skills and attributes. We'd need builders and grocers and mechanics, suppliers and all types of people to build a town and run it. What could go wrong...

- The vaxed society could ban us from doing business with them. That's why we would need people from all walks of live... We would have to even set up our own banking system and currency.

- They use military force and invade... That's why I was saying we would need good armed forces to defend.

- They could bombard the town into submission. We would need our own strategic missile system.

Their three possible actions they may take and counter measures
 

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U have an idea... LoL. It sounds exactly like my idea... Hehe he...
First u need people with all kinds of skills and attributes. We'd need builders and grocers and mechanics, suppliers and all types of people to build a town and run it. What could go wrong...

- The vaxed society could ban us from doing business with them. That's why we would need people from all walks of live... We would have to even set up our own banking system and currency.

- They use military force and invade... That's why I was saying we would need good armed forces to defend.

- They could bombard the town into submission. We would need our own strategic missile system.

Their three possible actions they may take and counter measures

That's a little to much, more like maybe we can be like the Amish People, sort of be friends to the outside of the community?!?! So, you like the idea?

I think the Branch Davidians did somethings like that and it didn't turn out to well. I almost visited a Christian Commune one time, but it seemed a little strange.

Well, draw up some plans, post something on the internet, and maybe we could get these ideas in motion one day?

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
 
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U have an idea... LoL. It sounds exactly like my idea... Hehe he...
First u need people with all kinds of skills and attributes. We'd need builders and grocers and mechanics, suppliers and all types of people to build a town and run it. What could go wrong...

- The vaxed society could ban us from doing business with them. That's why we would need people from all walks of live... We would have to even set up our own banking system and currency.

- They use military force and invade... That's why I was saying we would need good armed forces to defend.

- They could bombard the town into submission. We would need our own strategic missile system.

Their three possible actions they may take and counter measures
 
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You are very good at going around telling people what "God hates". What do you suppose God thinks of your defending an infidel and his work? You may very well disagree with the fact that Bill Gates is a Satanist, and you have a right to your opinion, however, the man is not a Christian, and neither is his wife.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. - 2Corinthians 6:14-18

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. - 1John 2:15

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. - James 4:4
I never said he was a Christian. However as to what he believes about God you should simply listen to his own words:
This is from an interview in the the Rolling Stone Magazine from 2014. It would be interesting to read anything new on the subject in 6 years. But here are his views at that time:

You’re a technologist, but a lot of your work now with the foundation has a moral dimension. Has your thinking about the value of religion changed over the years?

The moral systems of religion, I think, are super important. We’ve raised our kids in a religious way; they’ve gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in. I’ve been very lucky, and therefore I owe it to try and reduce the inequity in the world. And that’s kind of a religious belief. I mean, it’s at least a moral belief.

Do you believe in God?

I agree with people like Richard Dawkins that mankind felt the need for creation myths. Before we really began to understand disease and the weather and things like that, we sought false explanations for them. Now science has filled in some of the realm – not all – that religion used to fill. But the mystery and the beauty of the world is overwhelmingly amazing, and there’s no scientific explanation of how it came about. To say that it was generated by random numbers, that does seem, you know, sort of an uncharitable view [laughs]. I think it makes sense to believe in God, but exactly what decision in your life you make differently because of it, I don’t know.

And so there you have it. He is not different than a million other unbelievers you interact with in the world everyday. I don't understand your message about not fellowshipping with him. I don't know the man. You seem angry that I am not calling him a sinner going to hell? Of course he is. I made it clear more than once that all the philanthropy work will not save him even though we can see by his own admission that he finds a moral redemption in it in his own mind at some level. He is blind as we all were before coming to Christ. Pray for him that he might know Christ and be born again.

My only point has ever been to present evidence for an accusation lest ye be guilty of false accusations and I don't think God is going to let that go unpunished. Jesus preached extensively about it and so does the book of Proverbs among other prophets and even in the Law of Moses. It is a theme often repeated in the scriptures and frankly it is Christianity 101. Even a baby christian knows better.
 

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There are those moments when people do say some wacky things, but is this the appropriate way to respond? Is this become your solution to reacting to everything you disagree with? What about showing some love and sharing some passages that pertain to what God loves, as well as seeds of truth with the goal of leading some to the saving knowledge of the Gospel? Do you know what the Biblical Gospel is, as opposed to the heretical false gospel known as the "prosperity gospel"?

From what I have observed is that there are a few professing Christians, but in name only, and it's a situation of the blind leading the blind.
 

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U have an idea... LoL. It sounds exactly like my idea... Hehe he...
First u need people with all kinds of skills and attributes. We'd need builders and grocers and mechanics, suppliers and all types of people to build a town and run it. What could go wrong...

- The vaxed society could ban us from doing business with them. That's why we would need people from all walks of live... We would have to even set up our own banking system and currency.

- They use military force and invade... That's why I was saying we would need good armed forces to defend.

- They could bombard the town into submission. We would need our own strategic missile system.

Their three possible actions they may take and counter measures
Well, not exactly, she was talking about a Christian society...
 
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There are those moments when people do say some wacky things, but is this the appropriate way to respond? Is this become your solution to reacting to everything you disagree with? What about showing some love and sharing some passages that pertain to what God loves, as well as seeds of truth with the goal of leading some to the saving knowledge of the Gospel? Do you know what the Biblical Gospel is, as opposed to the heretical false gospel known as the "prosperity gospel"?

From what I have observed is that there are a few professing Christians, but in name only, and it's a situation of the blind leading the blind.
Come on.. it's funny. And it is appropriate for correction in some cases. A mild rebuke if perhaps their sanity might return. And if they were only joking then they will see the humor in the response. :)
 

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Come on.. it's funny. And it is appropriate for correction in some cases. A mild rebuke if perhaps their sanity might return. And if they were only joking then they will see the humor in the response. :)
Do they not realize that the Truth will set them free?
 

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I never said he was a Christian. However as to what he believes about God you should simply listen to his own words:
This is from an interview in the the Rolling Stone Magazine from 2014. It would be interesting to read anything new on the subject in 6 years. But here are his views at that time:

You’re a technologist, but a lot of your work now with the foundation has a moral dimension. Has your thinking about the value of religion changed over the years?

The moral systems of religion, I think, are super important. We’ve raised our kids in a religious way; they’ve gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in. I’ve been very lucky, and therefore I owe it to try and reduce the inequity in the world. And that’s kind of a religious belief. I mean, it’s at least a moral belief.

Do you believe in God?

I agree with people like Richard Dawkins that mankind felt the need for creation myths. Before we really began to understand disease and the weather and things like that, we sought false explanations for them. Now science has filled in some of the realm – not all – that religion used to fill. But the mystery and the beauty of the world is overwhelmingly amazing, and there’s no scientific explanation of how it came about. To say that it was generated by random numbers, that does seem, you know, sort of an uncharitable view [laughs]. I think it makes sense to believe in God, but exactly what decision in your life you make differently because of it, I don’t know.

And so there you have it. He is not different than a million other unbelievers you interact with in the world everyday. I don't understand your message about not fellowshipping with him. I don't know the man. You seem angry that I am not calling him a sinner going to hell? Of course he is. I made it clear more than once that all the philanthropy work will not save him even though we can see by his own admission that he finds a moral redemption in it in his own mind at some level. He is blind as we all were before coming to Christ. Pray for him that he might know Christ and be born again.

My only point has ever been to present evidence for an accusation lest ye be guilty of false accusations and I don't think God is going to let that go unpunished. Jesus preached extensively about it and so does the book of Proverbs among other prophets and even in the Law of Moses. It is a theme often repeated in the scriptures and frankly it is Christianity 101. Even a baby christian knows better.
Many people don't always have "evidence," but they do have discernment when they know something is wrong with a person or a situation. Such is the case with a person like Bill Gates. Just because a person doesn't always have evidence does not necessarily mean that they are false accusers either. You would be surprised what evidence Christians come up with, that they include in what was intended to be a slanderous term, "Conspiracy Theorists" by the Devil's camp. Good chances are that they have perhaps viewed them, and/or paid attention throughout the years of various clips and documentaries featuring Bill Gates. I don't know for a certainty that is the case, but what I do for a certainty is that most are accurate.

That said, I read on the other thread, where you went out of your way to "debunk" something that a Christian has to say pertaining to the patent number used. I was one of the first people to have caught onto that, early on, and it doesn't take an Einstein to know that has reference to the mark of the beast (666) with relation to ID 2020. You would be very surprised to learn the frequency of how "666" is subliminally programmed into people through television, advertisements, as well as products such a MONSTER energy drinks. Are you aware of the Hebrew numeric letters that are used for the MONSTER drink logo, and that is 666? Were you ever made aware of the slogans/sayings on the can, such as "unleash the beast"? That is fact. There is another slogan that is much to vulgar to repeat in this forum, so go grab yourself a Monster drink and examine the can for yourself.

Be sure not to miss my remark here, but really, you should have taken me up on my offer the first time I had invited you to join me in examining some things. You would, for a lack of better words, be light years ahead of what you will ever see presented in any Forum, on television, and so forth. Not only would you have an opposite position on Bill Gates, but you would also have been made aware of how the R.C.C./Vatican truly is the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon, something of which the Translators of the King James Bible also taught in the early 1600's, as well as 1611. You always mention "evidence", but denied yourself the opportunity to examine much of it for yourself, however you would also have known that the Knight Templar of the R.C.C. are Illuminati, as also is the so-called "Pope", and yes, they really do worship the Devil. In fact, the "father" of their false Jesus is none other than Lucifer/Satan. That is a fact of reality, and with understanding of those basic things, it doesn't take much to grasp the Biblical truth of The Lord Jesus Christ's holy words in Matthew 7:13-27 that an evil tree cannot produce good fruit. It only produces evil fruit! Have you ever heard the expression, of how a bad apple doesn't fall far from the tree?

One more thing .... There is something else that Bill Gates has in common with Pope Jeorge (Francis), and that is that Bill Gates is 100% on about "diveristy". We hear a lot about "diversity", but do you really know what that really means? No, it has nothing to do with rascism or race relations; What it is really about is the blending of religions, cultures, and perversions = mixing of all religions with LGBTQ along with everything else pertaining to anything goes.

Per the "moral belief"; the answer is already presented. P.S. Richard Dawkins is another subject altogether, and that is one we will also tackle. In the meantime, there are some things we must gather. The "diversity" videos per Gates, along with videos of Richard Dawkins, and equally as important, there are dozens of news clips from around the world that would be best suited here, as they relate to the Fascist take over of America, and all other nations world-wide.

P.S. Regarding the message about not fellowshipping with unblievers; That's an issue you need to take up with The Lord. I presented His words, not mine.