Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 19.2%
  • Never

    Votes: 72 60.0%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 25 20.8%

  • Total voters
    120

PC123

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Google "Bels Palsy and Covid vaccine" and whatever else you need to learn about. It's not that hard. No waiting required. You'll probably find credible information within the first few links that show up. Of course it takes common sense to identify credible sources. But I can't teach people how without getting paid. I charge $100 per hour to teach you how to identify credible sources. :love:
U still didn't address the facts which I have reiterated again and again...

Fact - Qantas has banned the unvaxed
Fact - They are trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back


All this has turned you into a heartless liar Scribe. That's not you
Now... Unless u are going to show me otherwise, those above facts remain as true, just like 2+2=4
 

Runningman

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"My body my choice" was a motto championed by the left to justify abortion, but when applied to vaccines "my body my choice" is sharply condemned.

What is their end goal?
 
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You never presented these so called fact the first time... All you did was attacked my character and dismissed my testimonies

And you're doing it again...

FACT - I can't fly with Qantas
FACT - They're trying to take our lives away if we don't vax...


Your just an arrogant and cold man who won't accept the testimony of anyone else...



And yet here you are, every day, arguing with people over what??? It's exactly what iv been trying to tell you... Geez...

I think its just an excuse for not addressing my arguments cos they're too strong.
Ahh what are you doing here??? :eek: And now your teaming up with Scribe... Ohh nooo...o_O
At least I can understand where your coming from as your partners occupation would cause you to be biased.

But this Scribe... I have no idea what his angle is...
Truth. Facts. Reliable data. Science. Reason. Careful analysis. That is my angle.
 

JohnDB

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Ahh what are you doing here??? :eek: And now your teaming up with Scribe... Ohh nooo...o_O
At least I can understand where your coming from as your partners occupation would cause you to be biased.

But this Scribe... I have no idea what his angle is...
I'm like Covid-19...I'm everywhere.

It's not like I'm hiding behind a different screen name or something.

 

PC123

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I'm like Covid-19...I'm everywhere.

It's not like I'm hiding behind a different screen name or something.

Hehehe hey hey... I'm not hiding... lol... :)... Again with the funny memes... I like the humourous John...;)

If you were like covid you would be unseen to me and nearly every other Aussie...

The wind would be a more accurate description of you...;)
 

PC123

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Truth. Facts. Reliable data. Science. Reason. Careful analysis. That is my angle.
In other words, u cannot refute the following facts...

Fact - Qantas has banned the unvaxed
Fact - They are trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back in Australia
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't provide immunity
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't stop transmission


U simply hate the truth... U cannot refute it at all... U can only spew your hate towards it
 
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U still didn't address the facts which I have reiterated again and again...

Fact - Qantas has banned the unvaxed
Fact - They are trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back


All this has turned you into a heartless liar Scribe. That's not you
Now... Unless u are going to show me otherwise, those above facts remain as true, just like 2+2=4
About Qantas? I was not refuting it. I never cared whether they were or not.
I just looked it up it sounds like that is going to be their plan when the vaccines are available. Obviously they have not done so yet, since the vaccines are not readily available so technically your statement needs rewriting.

People will probably sue Qantas and it will be interesting to see how it ends up.

I am sure there will be companies that require vaccines for onsite employees.

If you are asking about my views on this I have stated that I don't think people should be forced to vaccinate using a technology that is new. It does not seem right to put people under that kind of pressure. And I am sure that there will be lawsuits as a result.

I don't understand you second Fact: who is They? If you mean Qantas they probably don't care if you get you life back or not, or if you get vaccinated or not, they just don't want any of their passengers spreading COVID 19 all about the world. I can appreciate that executive decision. They have the right. Use another airline and vote with your wallet.
 

PC123

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About Qantas? I was not refuting it. I never cared whether they were or not.
I just looked it up it sounds like that is going to be their plan when the vaccines are available. Obviously they have not done so yet, since the vaccines are not readily available so technically your statement needs rewriting.

People will probably sue Qantas and it will be interesting to see how it ends up.

I am sure there will be companies that require vaccines for onsite employees.

If you are asking about my views on this I have stated that I don't think people should be forced to vaccinate using a technology that is new. It does not seem right to put people under that kind of pressure. And I am sure that there will be lawsuits as a result.

I don't understand you second Fact: who is They? If you mean Qantas they probably don't care if you get you life back or not, or if you get vaccinated or not, they just don't want any of their passengers spreading COVID 19 all about the world. I can appreciate that executive decision. They have the right. Use another airline and vote with your wallet.
Ok now, you're being honest...
You didn't fact-check any of those truths and as you said, you don't care about matters not concerning yourself.
That's more like it instead of trying to lie about it with fact-checking claims that are baseless.

"They" in the 2nd fact is the NSW state government

Fact - The NSW state government is trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back in Australia

And there is no refutation about these facts either

Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't provide immunity
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't stop transmission


It is not wise to get into an argument over these things. It is not Christian Character to argue about it. We are told to put away, and put off, these kinds of arguments that do not profit and that the servant of the Lord must not strive.

It is also not smart to get into an argument with an extremist on the internet.
Coming from the gentleman who is always arguing against people with different testimonies and opinions...
What's what I've been saying to u. Why even bother?
Why get involved in these ungodly arguments? Why must you factor in our decisions?

Are you sure its not just an excuse for being refuted??? It looks like it...
 
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In other words, u cannot refute the following facts...

Fact - Qantas has banned the unvaxed
Fact - They are trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back in Australia
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't provide immunity
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't stop transmission


U simply hate the truth... U cannot refute it at all... U can only spew your hate towards it
All that sort of talk is unnecessary. Try to keep it non personal. Just present your reasons. They should fall or stand on their own logic.

I already addressed the first two.

The vaccines do provide immunity and I have no idea why you are thinking that they don't. If you google "does the (name of the vaccine) provide immunity from COVID19" and read some of the science and data from both the safety trials and the ongoing analysis of those who have been vaccinated and you don't believe it is true, there is not much left to talk about. We just have to stop chatting I suppose.

The vaccine will eventually stop transmission from lack of hosts.

A vaccinated person can breath in the virus droplets and they don't die on contact with the mucus in the lining of his nose but he is immune to getting sick. The virus can attempt to get into the lungs or blood and be defeated by the antibodies and not be able to multiply. That is IMMUNE. The vaccinated can pass those vapor droplets they breathed into the nose from their nose to the air around him and the virus find another host that is not immune and set up an infection. Eventually if enough hosts are immune these airborne viruses will die for lack of hosts.

People read a headline that the vaccinated can still transmit it and I guess they don't read the rest of the article and think that the vaccinated is having the virus multiply in them as a host which is not really the case. Other than there being something going on in the mucus lining of the nose.
 
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Ok now, you're being honest...
You didn't fact-check any of those truths and as you said, you don't care about matters not concerning yourself.
That's more like it instead of trying to lie about it with fact-checking claims that are baseless.

"They" in the 2nd fact is the NSW state government

Fact - The NSW state government is trying to make the vax an incentive to get our lives back in Australia

And there is no refutation about these facts either

Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't provide immunity
Fact - The experimental vaccine doesn't stop transmission




Coming from the gentleman who is always arguing against people with different testimonies and opinions...
What's what I've been saying to u. Why even bother?
Why get involved in these ungodly arguments? Why must you factor in our decisions?

Are you sure its not just an excuse for being refuted??? It looks like it...
With others it is not an issue. With you it seems to be non productive. I will put you on ignore so as not to engage further.
 

gb9

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87 million have


I will wait for the cause of death.

Meanwhile 87 million have been vaccinated. My guess is that she would have died anyway.

so, let's see- a 88 year old person with diabetes and congestive heart failure, already had 2 strokes, gets a positive test, passes away a few weeks later, they are automatically a covid death.

but, with the precious vax, we have to wait and see.


very consistent logic there....
 
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so, let's see- a 88 year old person with diabetes and congestive heart failure, already had 2 strokes, gets a positive test, passes away a few weeks later, they are automatically a covid death.

but, with the precious vax, we have to wait and see.


very consistent logic there....
Not at all. If they died from complications of congestive heart failure that would be cause of death not COVID. If they died from inflammation of the lungs due to immune reaction over COVID infection that would be the cause of death.
 

gb9

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well, since the c d c allows both to be counted as covid, then it is interchangeable .


their wording is anyone dying of or with covid.

and, they came out with 5 or 6 different ways ( at the start of the new year) to code covid deaths, then that makes it even more interchangeable.
 

PC123

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With others it is not an issue. With you it seems to be non productive. I will put you on ignore so as not to engage further.
U will put me on ignore because you cannot refute the facts that I present... The truth causes you a mental discomfort ...

All that sort of talk is unnecessary. Try to keep it non personal. Just present your reasons. They should fall or stand on their own logic.
Talking about the forcing of this experimental vaccine might be unnecessary to u but for me, it's all about the forcing of the experimental vaccine...

I already addressed the first two.
Which was an epic failure in logic... All u did was exposed yourself as a liar by claiming u fact-checked it.
In reality, u simply don't care about the forcing of the experimental vaccine. Its an "unnecessary" discussion, as u put it

The vaccines do provide immunity and I have no idea why you are thinking that they don't. If you google "does the (name of the vaccine) provide immunity from COVID19" and read some of the science and data from both the safety trials and the ongoing analysis of those who have been vaccinated and you don't believe it is true, there is not much left to talk about. We just have to stop chatting I suppose.
According to Fauci...
They haven't looked at whether the vaccine prevents someone from carrying COVID-19 and spreading it to others. It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier. They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing, and so on, they can still transmit it to others.

So then... U have been misled. Once again... U have been deceived... Once again

The vaccine will eventually stop transmission from lack of hosts.

A vaccinated person can breath in the virus droplets and they don't die on contact with the mucus in the lining of his nose but he is immune to getting sick. The virus can attempt to get into the lungs or blood and be defeated by the antibodies and not be able to multiply. That is IMMUNE. The vaccinated can pass those vapor droplets they breathed into the nose from their nose to the air around him and the virus find another host that is not immune and set up an infection. Eventually if enough hosts are immune these airborne viruses will die for lack of hosts.

People read a headline that the vaccinated can still transmit it and I guess they don't read the rest of the article and think that the vaccinated is having the virus multiply in them as a host which is not really the case. Other than there being something going on in the mucus lining of the nose.
That makes you an asymptomatic carrier according to experts such as Fauci...

Fact checked... Fauci tells us that the vaccines don't work
 

PC123

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so, let's see- a 88 year old person with diabetes and congestive heart failure, already had 2 strokes, gets a positive test, passes away a few weeks later, they are automatically a covid death.

but, with the precious vax, we have to wait and see.


very consistent logic there....
Their failure in logic is well illustrated by the following...

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PennEd

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Google "Bels Palsy and Covid vaccine" and whatever else you need to learn about.
Why the hell cant you understand that Google has become nothing more than propaganda search manipulation?
 

PC123

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Why the hell cant you understand that Google has become nothing more than propaganda search manipulation?
Him and many more like him... Im particularly interested in the psychology that has been at play from the start of the scam...

its very complicated and I'm still figuring out the best way to explain it without writing a book about it...

The followers fall into 2 main categories. Some of them are somehow involved or connected to the covid industry. There aren't many of them but they are holding an understandable yet frustrating bias.

The others fall into this category which iv called "if u can't beat em, join em". It's something a friend told me...
So these people are now realizing that they have been deceived, that the whole world has been deceived...

I would be angry at being deceived and return to the truth. But instead, these people are choosing no to come back to the truth but to keep following their deceiver. Furthermore, they get angry at the truth being displayed. Quite remarkable.

But this has happed b4 in history. Many people have documented this strange phenomenon but have only been able to offer their observations such as "the further people stray from the truth, the more they will hate those that speak it" from George Orwell

It is similar to how the German soldiers were able to go along with all the atrocities being committed by the Nazi regime...
And it all started when they allowed the government to dictate the way we worship God. That's our strongest belief which some of us have stood by from the start.

Well, they fell into dissonance. So after covid was able to make them alter their belief in the importance of church and God, they literally become servants of covid, defending it as strongly as they would have defended their faith. Their covid apologists

For now, I'm describing it as an undefined branch of cognitive dissonance theory that has some Stockholm syndrome symptoms.
But I also think that pride is a massive part of it also. Choosing to keep on following the deception than come to the truth really requires a very high level of pride, which is Satan's favorite sin...

But for us that are defiant, the news isn't great either when it comes to mental conditions... Most people are experiencing what they call "induced compliance". I know a lot about it cos i have experienced this mental state b4 when i was thrown in jail for driving offences...

So there are mentally challenging situations for everyone at this point in time. Some more so than others...
And they know all this... Their psychologists know the human mind far better than we do and they're using it against us...
 

PennEd

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I am simply astonished that so many continue to be so incredibly willfully ignorant.
 

Rosemaryx

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i take about 10 different vitamins and supplements pretty much every day. also, pure turmeric mixed with olive oil ( the body absorbs it better that way), and a apple cider vinegar - ginger-red pepper mix.


all those things build a strong immune system. better than a vax....
Hi @gb9 ...
I bought a bottle of Organic Apple Raw cider vinegar to take , it is awful lol...
I tried drinking it with water to dilute it , how do you take it , are you saying with oil ?
Thanks in advance...
...xox...
 

PC123

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I am simply astonished that so many continue to be so incredibly willfully ignorant.
"As long as not everyone is vaccinated nobody will be safe"

You really have to be in a deep mental hole to accept something as illogical as that...

The common-sense question would be this...

If you're vaccinated then why are u afraid of the unvaccinated??? Hmmm??? Well???
"oh well its because you can still carry the virus and spread it"
In other words, it doesn't work