Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 19.2%
  • Never

    Votes: 72 60.0%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 25 20.8%

  • Total voters
    120

PC123

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I have a product to sell, lets say I have chocolate.
But for whatever reason, I know that 1 in every 1,000 chocolate bars is poisonous and will kill someone.

Would it be moral for me to go ahead and sell all that chocolate without warning???
Off course not. No other industry is that immoral.

Then to add to such unethical behaviour the manufacturers are exempt from liability...
This is criminal, literally criminal... Any other person would be sent to prison for this...

So in short, pushing this vaccine as "safe and effective" is a lie that is immoral, unethical and criminal.
 

Nehemiah6

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So in short, pushing this vaccine as "safe and effective" is a lie that is immoral, unethical and criminal.
Are you just coming to realize that morality, ethics, and criminality mean absolutely nothing? However, don't bother with petty crimes. The bigger the crime, the more you will be rewarded. Take a look at the White House and all the crimes being committed. Then take a look at all the Democratic governors.
 

PC123

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Jun 22, 2020
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Are you just coming to realize that morality, ethics, and criminality mean absolutely nothing?
Iv been tracking the decline of morality/value/ethics in society over the years...
Actually, the whole subject of morality is something that I looked into very deeply when I was on my prodigal journey.
Some of the atheists have a fairly good concept of general morality but get totally lost as to why things like abortion and sexual deviations are immoral...

As long as no one is being harmed or no damage is being caused then its not an immoral act they say...
Then they would absolutely lose their cool when I would respond by suggesting that zoophilia, necrophilia and other philias are ok.

Or they often go by consensus, so its basically a vote... So therefore an immoral act may be a moral act in a different place and/or a different time... That would often confuse them... Either is definitely immoral or it isn't... Morality is universal...

Ahhh, i miss debating those atheists, i wish could thank them for pushing me towards God but they banned me... LoL...

All morality is subjective apart from God's morality...

However, don't bother with petty crimes. The bigger the crime, the more you will be rewarded. Take a look at the White House and all the crimes being committed. Then take a look at all the Democratic governors.
But more on the government side of things... I hear ya...
In my state of Victoria, Australia, we've been under communist rule for a year and its just been extended for another 9 months.
Now that our winter is coming it's time for our little governments to be autocrats and push the limits again...
They want to force the vax but to be honest, i don't even think they are capable of moving that many vaccines, its gonna take a very long time to "vaccinate the nation"

I'm not 100% sure exactly what your leftie govs are doing by I think i have an idea...
I noticed Biden wrote executive orders like he was Joseph Stalin when he took office
 
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I have a product to sell, lets say I have chocolate.
But for whatever reason, I know that 1 in every 1,000 chocolate bars is poisonous and will kill someone.

Would it be moral for me to go ahead and sell all that chocolate without warning???
Off course not. No other industry is that immoral.

Then to add to such unethical behaviour the manufacturers are exempt from liability...
This is criminal, literally criminal... Any other person would be sent to prison for this...

So in short, pushing this vaccine as "safe and effective" is a lie that is immoral, unethical and criminal.
What really scares me is how quickly all these vaccines are suddenly available. It's like overnight they are just approving them like crazy, and it seems to be happening after the election. I just have a hard time believing things are all of a sudden safe so quickly once Biden got elected. Before the election it seemed like the vaccines were coming out, but it was slower. And now I read that Biden says every adult is going to have a vaccine by May??? How is that even possible and safe? I just have a hard time trusting anything happening right now because it is obviously political and we know who is in power.
 
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What really scares me is how quickly all these vaccines are suddenly available. It's like overnight they are just approving them like crazy, and it seems to be happening after the election. I just have a hard time believing things are all of a sudden safe so quickly once Biden got elected. Before the election it seemed like the vaccines were coming out, but it was slower. And now I read that Biden says every adult is going to have a vaccine by May??? How is that even possible and safe? I just have a hard time trusting anything happening right now because it is obviously political and we know who is in power.
Without information you are left guessing and that is where all the suspicions arise.

The information fills in those gaps and answers those questions.

They started working on vaccines as soon as the plague began. Then when they saw that it looked like %2 or more might die world wide the US in particular gave it a War Time effort to remove all hindrances to developing a vaccine. Many of the old way of doing things taking months for a step to get signed off on that did not really require months were removed without removing any of the safety testing. All the safety testing steps were followed. As a matter of fact there are more issues tested for each vaccine over the years because of questions raised by antivaccine groups. So for these vaccines more testing has been done than vaccines of years past. However the bureaucracy and unnecessary bottle necks were removed and stream lined without compromizing on any safety testing.

Also vaccines are only about 75 years old and it is to be expected that they should improve with scientific discoveries just like computers and cell phones. The mRNA vaccines are one of these medical breakthroughs.

So using this War Time effort huge amounts of money was given to companies to develop the vaccines at a record pace. Things like building factories with machinary to produce billions of dosages before the vaccine had completed 3rd phase testing trials. That way if they were successful there would be no delay in getting them produced. As a matter of fact they were producing dosages while 3rd phase trials were going on. They would have to throw them all out and start over if the 3rd phase trial phase failed but that was worth the risk because lives were more important than money. THIS IS WAR.

There were something like 90 vaccines under development at the same time. By about November there were something like 40 in testing and 9 in third phase. Those 9 all started completing third phase and requesting FDA approval as they did. It has nothing to do with the election which just happens to be going on while we are also trying to defeat this virus world wide.

There will be more vaccines requesting FDA approval over the next year. People still need to analyze the data for each vaccine that rolls out as to how it is developed and whether they are comfortable taking it.

I mean they will all be safe. Any vaccine that is found to be unsafe in trials will not request approval. The questions some might want to ask is whether the cloned fetal cells from the 1960s was used to develop the vaccine, such as the new Johnson and Johnson one. This is a moral question. This does not apply to mRNA vaccines like Moderna and Phyzer as these do not use cells to develop.
There will be other vaccines that do use cells to develop and some of those will not use cloned fetal cells but what is called "ethically" derived cells. I've even read about one vaccine that uses Moth cells in development.

What you don't want to do is listen to people tell you that vaccines inject fetal cells into you. That is just gross unadulterated ignorance. Even the ones that used fetal cells in development don't have any of that in the final dosage. The dosages use antigens of the virus. The human cells were used in the growing of the virus in the development stage. Those viruses infect the cells and reproduce. Then they take those viruses and change them until they end up with nothing but a piece of the virus like a protein. These go in the dosage and then your immune system creates an antibody to take them out. These antibodies will also attack the real virus if it ever shows up. That is the old vaccine technology we have been using for 75 years. But now the mRNA has opened up a whole new vaccine methodolgy. It simply uses a piece of genetic code of the spike protein that the virus uses to invade our cells. This causes your immune system to create an antibody to defeat that and if the real virus shows up it will attack it and not let it reproduce in our cells.

Variants and mutation might keep happening I am still learning but I think that the mRNA vaccines are expected to be able to come out as fast as the variants show up and we will be able to defeat them quickly.
 

PennEd

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What really scares me is how quickly all these vaccines are suddenly available. It's like overnight they are just approving them like crazy, and it seems to be happening after the election. I just have a hard time believing things are all of a sudden safe so quickly once Biden got elected. Before the election it seemed like the vaccines were coming out, but it was slower. And now I read that Biden says every adult is going to have a vaccine by May??? How is that even possible and safe? I just have a hard time trusting anything happening right now because it is obviously political and we know who is in power.
Read for yourself what people are reporting to the government:https://vaxpain.us/
 
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Without information you are left guessing and that is where all the suspicions arise.

The information fills in those gaps and answers those questions.

They started working on vaccines as soon as the plague began. Then when they saw that it looked like %2 or more might die world wide the US in particular gave it a War Time effort to remove all hindrances to developing a vaccine. Many of the old way of doing things taking months for a step to get signed off on that did not really require months were removed without removing any of the safety testing. All the safety testing steps were followed. As a matter of fact there are more issues tested for each vaccine over the years because of questions raised by antivaccine groups. So for these vaccines more testing has been done than vaccines of years past. However the bureaucracy and unnecessary bottle necks were removed and stream lined without compromizing on any safety testing.

Also vaccines are only about 75 years old and it is to be expected that they should improve with scientific discoveries just like computers and cell phones. The mRNA vaccines are one of these medical breakthroughs.

So using this War Time effort huge amounts of money was given to companies to develop the vaccines at a record pace. Things like building factories with machinary to produce billions of dosages before the vaccine had completed 3rd phase testing trials. That way if they were successful there would be no delay in getting them produced. As a matter of fact they were producing dosages while 3rd phase trials were going on. They would have to throw them all out and start over if the 3rd phase trial phase failed but that was worth the risk because lives were more important than money. THIS IS WAR.

There were something like 90 vaccines under development at the same time. By about November there were something like 40 in testing and 9 in third phase. Those 9 all started completing third phase and requesting FDA approval as they did. It has nothing to do with the election which just happens to be going on while we are also trying to defeat this virus world wide.

There will be more vaccines requesting FDA approval over the next year. People still need to analyze the data for each vaccine that rolls out as to how it is developed and whether they are comfortable taking it.

I mean they will all be safe. Any vaccine that is found to be unsafe in trials will not request approval. The questions some might want to ask is whether the cloned fetal cells from the 1960s was used to develop the vaccine, such as the new Johnson and Johnson one. This is a moral question. This does not apply to mRNA vaccines like Moderna and Phyzer as these do not use cells to develop.
There will be other vaccines that do use cells to develop and some of those will not use cloned fetal cells but what is called "ethically" derived cells. I've even read about one vaccine that uses Moth cells in development.

What you don't want to do is listen to people tell you that vaccines inject fetal cells into you. That is just gross unadulterated ignorance. Even the ones that used fetal cells in development don't have any of that in the final dosage. The dosages use antigens of the virus. The human cells were used in the growing of the virus in the development stage. Those viruses infect the cells and reproduce. Then they take those viruses and change them until they end up with nothing but a piece of the virus like a protein. These go in the dosage and then your immune system creates an antibody to take them out. These antibodies will also attack the real virus if it ever shows up. That is the old vaccine technology we have been using for 75 years. But now the mRNA has opened up a whole new vaccine methodolgy. It simply uses a piece of genetic code of the spike protein that the virus uses to invade our cells. This causes your immune system to create an antibody to defeat that and if the real virus shows up it will attack it and not let it reproduce in our cells.

Variants and mutation might keep happening I am still learning but I think that the mRNA vaccines are expected to be able to come out as fast as the variants show up and we will be able to defeat them quickly.
I am the first to admit I am guessing because I feel like we just don't have all the answers. I am deeply grateful for all the smart people that work on these vaccines, but as you noted there are new technologies arising. Everything is happening so fast and that is what makes me worried, especially since it is driven so much by liberal politics. I want to be safe and want my family to be safe. I just worry!
 

ChoirLoft

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I receive the Pfizer shot series. I didn't have any reactions to either one. I didn't grow a forked tail and I didn't die.

Jesus said to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, which means to do that which is of benefit to the neighbor including removal of risk to his/her life.
Jesus said to DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU, which means that I do that which keeps myself as well as my neighbor free of the risk of death from COVID.

Post protestant Christians claim to follow Jesus, but when the rubber hits the road they do what they think ought to be done irregardless of what the savior said. Herein lies hypocrisy cowardice and the deceit of the modern church. When it comes to following Jesus to the point where it requires action, those who call themselves Christian are Christian in name only.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

Aidan1

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Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine when testing has been completed and it is considered safe and effective and being offered?
I already took. I am working in hospital and saw the patients and co- workers infectet with Covid. Some of them after 2 month still have health problems because of Covid.
My question would you take vaccine against pocks ore scabies ore Polio?
 

Jackson123

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I already took. I am working in hospital and saw the patients and co- workers infectet with Covid. Some of them after 2 month still have health problems because of Covid.
My question would you take vaccine against pocks ore scabies ore Polio?
I take vaccine against picks, but not vaccines against coved.
Because, what I listen from Dr Sherri Tenpenny, this vaccines is danger and may kill.
 

Aidan1

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I take vaccine against picks, but not vaccines against coved.
Because, what I listen from Dr Sherri Tenpenny, this vaccines is danger and may kill.
Every vaccine can kill, if there is something into the body what not fits with the items. Even every medicine in pills can kill you, of your body reacts against the item.
Unfortunatly nobody knows your body will react in a bad way ore not. Thats why its a riski for people with allergie ore other deseases.
But covid 19 will also not stop before you. And this than can be more harmful as an vaccine. The another thing is you can infect others.
 

PennEd

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I already took. I am working in hospital and saw the patients and co- workers infectet with Covid. Some of them after 2 month still have health problems because of Covid.
My question would you take vaccine against pocks ore scabies ore Polio?
This is not a vaccine.

When I got a polio or small pox or other vaccine decades ago, I was immune from getting those diseases.

You are NOT immune from getting Covid, AND you can still be a carrier to infect others.

This is something Fauci and the gene therapy “vaccines” companies themselves tell us.
 

Aidan1

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This is not a vaccine.

When I got a polio or small pox or other vaccine decades ago, I was immune from getting those diseases.

You are NOT immune from getting Covid, AND you can still be a carrier to infect others.

This is something Fauci and the gene therapy “vaccines” companies themselves tell us.
So it is also no vaccine against Influenza?
You need every year a New injection. Because of the Variation of the Virus. And so it will be with Covid too. That we have no longterm studies is clear and that we have different reactions lays in the Virus Mutations which are very aktiv.
To have the vaccine is for shure better, than to have it not. The majority of people have no side effects. As the majority which getting the Virus. But the thing is to avoid that people get sick and die, if i am not wrong.
How many died in your country? How many after their infection still are not able to work?
 

Jackson123

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Every vaccine can kill, if there is something into the body what not fits with the items. Even every medicine in pills can kill you, of your body reacts against the item.
Unfortunatly nobody knows your body will react in a bad way ore not. Thats why its a riski for people with allergie ore other deseases.
But covid 19 will also not stop before you. And this than can be more harmful as an vaccine. The another thing is you can infect others.
Quote from Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Some people are going to die from the vaccine directly. But a large number of people are going to start getting horribly sick and get all kinds of autoimmune diseases."

End quote.

My brother. Yes every pill may kill. The next step is we have to calculate how many percent people take Tylenol and die, compare how many people take coved vaccine and die or injury.

I read an article a statistic from israel. For elderly People that die from vaccine 40 x more than from covid.
And it is only 4 or 5 week observation.
If you listen from Dr Sherri, the side effect of the vaccine will show more after 4 to 14 months
With this information, I think we have to wait further investigation.

Also the number of death of covit are not accurate. Last nigh my friend tell me, one of the member of his church die from motor cycle accident and on death certificate say the course of death is covet 19.
My brother tell the same story.
 

Aidan1

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Quote from Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Some people are going to die from the vaccine directly. But a large number of people are going to start getting horribly sick and get all kinds of autoimmune diseases."

End quote.

My brother. Yes every pill may kill. The next step is we have to calculate how many percent people take Tylenol and die, compare how many people take coved vaccine and die or injury.

I read an article a statistic from israel. For elderly People that die from vaccine 40 x more than from covid.
And it is only 4 or 5 week observation.
If you listen from Dr Sherri, the side effect of the vaccine will show more after 4 to 14 months
With this information, I think we have to wait further investigation.

Also the number of death of covit are not accurate. Last nigh my friend tell me, one of the member of his church die from motor cycle accident and on death certificate say the course of death is covet 19.
My brother tell the same story.
Well, evrerybody is very sensitiv in connection with Corona vaccine. In Germany dies out of 1,500 000million people 69 in following of the vaccine. Researchings found out that the people who died had massive pre deseases.
And many reports about dying because of vaccine against covid are simply fakes.
 

Nehemiah6

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And many reports about dying because of vaccine against covid are simply fakes.
Or that is what the promoters of the bogus vaccines would have you believe. Almost all public health officials are lying about everything connected with Wuhan virus.

So kindly pay close attention to this article:

MODERNA CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER ADMITS MRNA ALTERS DNA
Suzanne Hamner

The Washington Standard

Several prominent physicians, doctors, Sons of Liberty Media Health and Wellness expert Kate Shemirani, her colleague Dr. Kevin Corbett, and I have postulated that the current experimental mRNA injection for coronavirus, aka COVID-19, could alter one’s genetic code or DNA. Bill Gates stated it, which was included in my video “Human Genome 8 and mRNA Vaccine” on Brighteon.com. It is one reason the term “experimental human genome altering mRNA injection” has been used to describe the jab being foisted onto the mostly unsuspecting public. While many in the media, Dr. Anthony Fauci and his merry band of chronic liars, and “fact checkers” have declared this claim as false, a video of a TEDx Beacon Street talk by Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of Moderna, Inc., one pharmaceutical company manufacturer of the experimental mRNA technology injection, confirms mRNA injection for COVID-19 can change your genetic code or DNA. This TEDx Beacon Street talk occurred in 2017. H/T to YouTube channel Silview Media Backup Channel.

Zaks calls it “hacking the software of life”. In the first minute of the video Zaks states, “we’ve been living this phenomenal digital scientific revolution, and I’m here today to tell you, that we are actually hacking the software of life, and that it’s changing the way we think about prevention and treatment of disease.” [Emphasis mine.] He even repeats that they (Moderna) think of it like an operating system, which the Moderna website indicates as “Our Operating System”.

At one minute in, Zaks states, “In every cell there’s this thing called messenger RNA or mRNA for short, that transmits the critical information from the DNA in our genes to the protein, which is really the stuff we’re all made out of. This is the critical information that determines what the cell will do. So we think about it as an operating system. …. So if you could actually change that, … if you could introduce a line of code, or change a line of code, it turns out, that has profound implications for everything, from the flu to cancer.” [Emphasis mine.]

When “changing” a line of code or “introducing” a line of code” (referring to DNA), the “code” or DNA is then altered, meaning the individual or “subject” has now had their genome changed to what the “scientists” have coded. The individual or subject is no longer a creation of God but a creation of man, meaning the individual or subject could be the object of a “patent”. He goes on to say, the mRNA would tell the cells to “code” for the protein of the “virus”. This “viral protein” is foreign to the body. The individual’s body is making a foreign protein the immune system is to attack. When the body makes a protein the immune system then attacks, your immune system is attacking a protein your body is making, meaning what is occurring in an “auto-immune response” or “auto-immune disease”.

This has been repeated a number of times by experts, physicians, nurses and countless others. As readers can see, none of us were “whistling Dixie”. Zaks talks about turning this system on; however, there is no way to turn it off. When do the cells know to stop making this “viral protein”? The cells don’t; therefore, this continues for the duration.

In a normal vaccine, the immune system attacks the limited amount of “particles” in the adjuvant to produce antibodies or immune response that the body can recognize at a later time if the individual comes in contact with the same or similar “particle”.

The study Zaks cites at the 3:12 minute mark can be found and read here. The abstract is contained on the NIH Pub Med Library website. In the full test of the study on ResearchGate, the mention of “Luciferase” occurs on page 10. A crucial piece of information in this study is contained on page 4 – “Ferrets immunized with 200 micrograms and challenged [exposed to influenza H7N9 via IN (intranasal)] on day 49 had viral loads below the level of detection”. If a viral load was “below the level of detection”, two questions emerge: 1) did the ferrets even contract H7N9 through intranasal challenge; and, 2) if a viral load is below the level of detection, how do you know the animals even had a viral load? This would bring into question the efficacy of the injection. Moreover, the studies Zaks cites as occurring in humans only lasted approximately 18 months.

At about the 4:00 minute mark, Zaks begins discussing mRNA vaccines for cancer. Immediately following that, Zaks discusses a children’s condition where a gene or “code” is missing that causes production of a certain enzyme critical for metabolism where the current treatment is to transplant an entire organ – in this case, the liver. Zaks proposes to inject mRNA that codes for the missing gene, a gene contained in DNA on the human genome, it would “correct” the genetic defect.

Ask this question: what causes the cells/body to produce needed enzymes/proteins? Zaks answers that by saying the genetic code or DNA. So, mRNA has to alter a genetic code or the DNA for the body to produce the proteins of COVID-19 for the body to mount an immune response.

Out of the words of Tal Zaks of Moderna, mRNA can alter the human genome. Whether by design or “unintended consequences”, this technology is being used to do just that. He calls this “information therapy”; although, some would call it “mad science”. In attempts to “rewrite” genetic code to correct defects, studies have shown there were “cascading failures”. In other words, changing one “defective gene” in one genome caused other genes to “fail” or cause problems. And, it was not just one subsequent gene becoming defective, but many. This is more than likely why there are over 400 adverse events surrounding the experimental mRNA injection.

So, the next time someone claims these “vaccines” do not alter the human genome or DNA, you can refer that individual to Tal Zaks of Moderna, Inc. who claims otherwise. Dr. Fauci should be eating some four and twenty blackbird (crow) pie.

Article posted with permission from Sons of Liberty Media
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=56522