The Affliction Of Conspiracy Theorists

[Sirk]

"...for daring to question anything..."

That's the essence of this debate. Conspiracy theorists don't question anything with a critical eye. They purposely avoid questions, just as you have. They seek only silly internet sites or blogs where some guy's wife is video taping him standing in their living room, reading a script he made up that defies logic and is easily disproved.

What happened when I said we would now begin a debate on the 9/11 attack at the pentagon? Did you participate? Did you read and then respond to my questions? No, look at what you've posted. Blah, blah blah probably because careers are ruined and blah blah blah chess, not checkers. There is a good reason for it. Your world of conspiracies unravel when you are forced to focus on just one of them and then fail to defend it. What will your next post contain? A discussion of something the government did 50 years ago that is commonly seen as a conspiracy? A mention of something you once say about 9/11 but can't seem to find it to post here? Focus man. 9/11, pentagon, flight 77. If you have something to contribute, now is the time.

Yes lord. Lol

 

[Sinnerman]

[video=youtube_share;5cFewUG3rSY]http://youtu.be/5cFewUG3rSY[/video]

How about blondieindahouse? What did she have to offer regarding the pentagon attack. A leaked video of a cruise missile hitting the pentagon on 9/11. Wow! impressive, don't ya think? And the woman who posted it is convinced she is being watched because each time she uploads the video, something strange happens to her account? Right. Yet that same video was posted on this site and no CIA or FBI agent came here and shut down any accounts. So, according to this woman, each time any of us looks up in the sky and sees an airliner flying overhead, and the sun hits it and causes us to see something bright and shiny, rather than a clear image of a commercial jet, it has to be a cruise missile flying across the sky? That's the logic of a conspiracy theorist no doubt.

When blondie was given an explanation and evidence that proves flight 77 hit the pentagon, her response was that; "You sure do spin some tall tales there dont you?! LOL"

I offered her some actual evidence...


Pentagon

Central to many conspiracy claims is the idea that American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon on 9/11. Does this stand up to scrutiny?

• An emergency drill covering the crash of a hijacked plane into the Pentagon took place in October 2000
• And the exercise was authored by Flight 77 pilot Charles Burlingame
• Why did Flight 77 make a complicated 330-degree turn around the Pentagon, before hitting it in an area that had recently been reinforced?
• Washington Air Traffic Controllers thought the plane was a military jet
• Flight 77 should have been shot down by the Pentagons missile batteries
• Flight 77 could not have smashed through all three Pentagon rings
• CNN reporter Jamie McIntyre said: "there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon"
• There was no wreckage identifiable as coming from a 757
• The Pentagon lawn was quickly covered in sand and gravel. What were they trying to hide?
• Tell-tale remains of the real plane that hit the Pentagon were placed in a box, covered in a blue tarpaulin, and quickly moved away
• How could the passengers bodies be identified, when the plane was destroyed by fire?
• Where were the passengers luggage and personal effects?
• Related links

Any comments from the conspiracy peanut gallery? Try to understand that all of this evidence that debunks your wild fantasies about 9/11 is available to all of you. You pretend to be searching for truth yet you refuse to analyze all the evidence that totally debunks these insane internet conspiracy theories. You live in a world of your own, full of denial. How do you even function day to day in the real world, being married and raising families?

Well, go ahead and click on each link, especially the 757 wreckage link, and then see what you think.

 

[Sinnerman]

No....I have not reported you... AND....I haven't offered my views one way or the other on 9/11 and furthermore how I get there is my choice. Now I asked you an easy question and I desire an answer from you on it. Northwoods?

Nope, it doesn't work like that. You will simply string me along for page after page, drifting from one of your pet conspiracies after another, without ever having to defend anything. This is a specific thread that I stated to you would be about the 9/11 pentagon attack. If you have no view you dare to share and defend, run along and pedal your other conspiracies someplace else.

The same for jaybird. He has been in enough of these debates that he knows his role is to say nothing and defend nothing and answer no questions and only waste his and my time.

and here we have a perfect example of dumbed down america not seeing the elephant thats standing right in front of them.
and for the kids watching let this be a lesson of how fluoridated water can deteriorate the brain.

This is what you can expect out of jaybird. Nothing of substance and nothing that relates to the topic of the 9/11 attack on the pentagon. You must admit I told you in advance everything you conspiracy folks would say in response and I was correct.

 

[Sirk]

Nope, it doesn't work like that. You will simply string me along for page after page, drifting from one of your pet conspiracies after another, without ever having to defend anything. This is a specific thread that I stated to you would be about the 9/11 pentagon attack. If you have no view you dare to share and defend, run along and pedal your other conspiracies someplace else.

The same for jaybird. He has been in enough of these debates that he knows his role is to say nothing and defend nothing and answer no questions and only waste his and my time.



This is what you can expect out of jaybird. Nothing of substance and nothing that relates to the topic of the 9/11 attack on the pentagon. You must admit I told you in advance everything you conspiracy folks would say in response and I was correct.

Yes my lord. Your lowly servant did not mean to question your vast knowledge and foresight. I relinquish the floor to you and submit with all my heart to your authority.

 

[Sinnerman]

You can say MOUNTAINS all day long --- I don't see you producing any evidence...

I don't know about any 'footage' of "a plane hitting the pentagon" -- show it to us.

The only thing I have seen is the well-known-and-highly-debated '3-frame' segment...

Go ahead -- show us the MOUNTAINS of incontrovertible "proof" that you speak of...

Gary is a good example of someone who acts like he has not seen proof or evidence that flight 77 hit the pentagon. He then asks to see any proof. This makes you think if he saw actual evidence, he would respond and say he didn't previously know of it and is not thoroughly convinced that flight 77 did hit the pentagon. Of course that is not how conspiracy theorists think or act. Gary posted several times in the 9/11 thread about the pentagon. He was quite skeptical that flight 77 struck the pentagon. He used words like magic to explain what must have taken place. He also drifted off, as all conspiracy theorists do, into a discussion about the Matrix and the Illuminati. But he had ample opportunity to know the truth because I posted the following message for him on that thread;

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do not work for the agency that investigates airplane crashes. I have no idea how flight 93 dove into the ground in Pennsylvania and the wings and fuselage and passengers and just about everything else just seem to be absorbed by the ground. I wasn't there and for those who investigated the crash sites, there was plenty of debris, just not many large pieces of plane that were easily identifiable. However, all you had to do is click on the link and view the dozen or so pictures of the debris laying all around the Pentagon to know it was flight 77 that stuck it. Yet, you are doing what all conspiracy nuts do. You are obsessing on one thing that has been thoroughly explained, again and again. I've been reading how the 9/11 "truthers" have almost all gone into hiding. It turns out that if you provide them with proof of their ignorant beliefs over and over again, they eventually figure it out. I'll post the Popular Mechanics article debunkiking your silly Pentagon fantasy.

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HQ Attack: Taken three days after 9/11, this photo shows the extent of the damage to the Pentagon, consistent with a fiery plane crash. (Photograph by Department of Defense)
The Pentagon
At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.
Big Plane, Small Holes

Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile—part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

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Hole Truth: Flight 77's landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon's Ring C. (Photograph by Department of Defense)
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide—not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

Intact Windows

Claim: Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece—even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing "intact windows" directly above the crash site prove "a missile" or "a craft much smaller than a 757" struck the Pentagon.
FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do—they're blast-resistant.
"A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass."
Flight 77 Debris

Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

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Aftermath: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon's lawn—proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. (Photograph by AP/Wide World Photos)
FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"[/QUOTE]

 

[Sinnerman]

Gary also asked me for pictures of debris. It took me about 30 seconds to find pictures of flight 77 debris and post them for Gary. Apparently, he had spent 15 years of his life unable to use google to find pictures of flight 77 debris outside and inside of the pentagon, despite those pictures having been viewed by millions of others. How hard would you say that Gary was looking for evidence during the last 15 years? Yet during those 15 years, he probably watched several thousand youtube conspiracy videos made by lonely looking men in their living rooms who also never bothered to look at the endless evidence proving that flight 77 was flown into the pentagon.


Gary, if your viewing, here are those same pictures I showed you in the 9/11 thread. Perhaps this time you will have a comment on the many plane parts in the pictures, rather than disappear into the matrix so you won't have to admit the truth.

The story...

There was no 757 wreckage at the Pentagon.

Our take...

There are photos around of wreckage that may have come from Flight 77. We’ve found these primarily at http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm and www.pentagonresearch.com (click on each one for a larger view, then click Back to return here).

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[Sinnerman]

more pictures of flight 77 debris...

also a link to information


Try this 757 Wreckage

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We also found a brief video showing a worker lifting up debris, while the narrator says: “the wreckage of Flight 77 was being examined”. There are a few pieces that look like they came from the fuselage, plus some other fragments we’ve not seen before.

http://www.smelternews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=27

 

[sealabeag]

Some people are obsessed with conspiracy theories, but it seems like you are obsessed with conspiracy theorists (and the fact that they are wrong.) If they're wrong, then why bother annoying yourself and getting so worked up over it? Just ignore them and move on! Happiness awaits!

 

[Sirk]

Some people are obsessed with conspiracy theories, but it seems like you are obsessed with conspiracy theorists (and the fact that they are wrong.) If they're wrong, then why bother annoying yourself and getting so worked up over it? Just ignore them and move on! Happiness awaits!

How dare you question our lords motivations. He is supreme authority over all 9/11 related theorists and their whacked out views. Shame on you

 

[Sirk]

Honestly sinnerman. I would be willing to talk to you. But your tact here renders yourself into an I don't care about anyone but myself realm. You're not even interested in what anyone else has to say. It's the whole "careful that thou doth not protest too much" that puts you in irrelevant land. But whatever, you can ignore me, call me names or just be a jerk. But I love ya anyway so you can relax. It's better to be relaxed...and honestly, treating people good is more of a gift to you than it is to them. You should try it sometime. It appears that you're the only one here with something to prove. Who cares. Jesus lives.

 

[Sinnerman]

This is my favorite post on the pentagon attack. It also came from the 9/11 thread, posted on January 14th of this year. It allows us to see what happened in the seconds before impact. You can't believe conspiracy theories and then view this without wondering how you were so badly deceived all this time. Sadly, conspiracy believers will view this and simply not respond. They will try to convince themselves they didn't see any of this evidence so they can keep on believing a lie they've spent so much time telling people was what happened.

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A clip recording the conversation between the TYSON sector ATC and the C-130 pilot who saw Flight 77 shortly before it hit the Pentagon. (The original recording isn't clearly time coded, so please regard these times as approximate only.)

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9:36:41 - ATC: GOFER zero 6, traffic is 11 o'clock and five miles northbound fast moving, type and altitude unknown.

9:36:49 - GOFER06: GOFER zero 6 we have the traffic in sight >unintelligible<

9:36:52 - ATC: Ah, you have the traffic, do you know what kind it is, can you see?

9:36:54 - GOFER06: Looks like a 757 sir.

9:36:59 - ATC: A 757. Can you estimate his altitude?

9:36:59 - GOFER06: Ah, looks like he's at low altitude right now sir.

9:37:04 - ATC: GOFER eight [sic] six, thank you.

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9:37:17 - GOFER06: That, ah, traffic from GOFER zero 6 is still in a descent now, and, uh, looks like he's strolled [?] out north east [?]

9:37:24 - ATC: All right. Thank you.

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9:37:30 - ATC: GOFER eight [sic] six, climb and maintain, uh,

9:37:32 - ATC background: You getting the military?

9:37:33 - ATC: Yeah. Stand by. GOFER eight [sic] six,

9:37:35 - ATC: GOFER eight [sic] six, turn right and follow the traffic, please.

9:37:40 - ATC: GOFER eight [sic] six, turn right heading zero eight zero, we're going to vector you for the traffic.

9:37:44 - GOFER06: Okay, zero eight zero, GOFER zero six it's...

9:37:47 - ATC: Dulles, I'm keeping GOFER eight six, uh, zero six with me for a while.

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9:38:23 - GOFER06: Washington, this is GOFER zero six.

9:38:25 - ATC: GOFER zero six, go ahead.

9:38:26 - GOFER06: [?] ... aircraft is down, he's in our [a?] twelve o'clock position, looks like it's just a, uh, north, west of the airfield at this time sir.

9:38:36 - ATC: GOFER eight [sic] six, thank you, descend and maintain two thousand

9:38:39 - GOFER06: Okay, we're down to two thousand

9:38:53 - GOFER06: And uh, this is GOFER zero six, it looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.​

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And furthermore sinnerman. My cousin was on the 30 floor of a nearby building when the second plane came in to the second tower and could feel the heat on his face thru plate glass.

 

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Some people are obsessed with conspiracy theories, but it seems like you are obsessed with conspiracy theorists (and the fact that they are wrong.) If they're wrong, then why bother annoying yourself and getting so worked up over it? Just ignore them and move on! Happiness awaits!

You make a valid point. However, they are much like a cancer that spreads to other forums. They are gradually spreading their conspiracy theories into the news forum, with little push back. A couple of other points. People who are believers and are also conspiracy theorists are very likely unable to grasp sound Bible doctrine. What do they believe about the Genesis account of creation? Old earth or young earth? Do they accept the virgin birth? Pre-trib or post-tribulation rapture? Once forgiven, always forgiven or can you lose your salvation? Should women be allowed to preach in church? What do they believe about abortion? Do they care what the Bible teaches? Do they do the same level of seeking truth in scriptures as they do in regard to the JFK assassination or 9/11, which is close to none? If this was a church and you were it's pastor, or maybe an elder, would you allow your members to spread these conspiracy ideas about the illuminati and other secret groups who control the world without discussing with them how they are allowing the entire church body to be viewed as kooks by the unsaved they hope to minister to? If the unsaved walk into your church and the first person they meet is someone like those on this forum, and rather than discuss God's plan of salvation, they begin telling that person the government is watching them and they need to build a bunker and hide in it, etc., etc. See what I mean. I agree with your observation. These people seem to be so disturbed, one must address them as a doctor does during triage. Some have hope, if they are thrown a lifeline. Some will recover with little need for help. Some are not going to make it no matter how much time you spend on them. That time is wasted and should be spent with the ones who show hope. Some of these conspiracy folks are in too deep and have created an alternate reality in their lives. Because we are not in physical contact with each of them as we would be in a church, it is difficult to know how badly they have slipped away, and if they are total shut-ins who have only internet conspiracy sites to go to for meaning in their lives. I certainly don't want this to be my calling. I have better things to do with my life. You stay neutral and ignore them if you feel that is best. But they have grown in numbers and are spreading their insanity to forums you may spend time in. Your attitude may change one day and you may find yourself badly outnumbered by them. Ignorance and apathy do not equal happiness. Not for me.

 

[Sirk]

You make a valid point. However, they are much like a cancer that spreads to other forums. They are gradually spreading their conspiracy theories into the news forum, with little push back. A couple of other points. People who are believers and are also conspiracy theorists are very likely unable to grasp sound Bible doctrine. What do they believe about the Genesis account of creation? Old earth or young earth? Do they accept the virgin birth? Pre-trib or post-tribulation rapture? Once forgiven, always forgiven or can you lose your salvation? Should women be allowed to preach in church? What do they believe about abortion? Do they care what the Bible teaches? Do they do the same level of seeking truth in scriptures as they do in regard to the JFK assassination or 9/11, which is close to none? If this was a church and you were it's pastor, or maybe an elder, would you allow your members to spread these conspiracy ideas about the illuminati and other secret groups who control the world without discussing with them how they are allowing the entire church body to be viewed as kooks by the unsaved they hope to minister to? If the unsaved walk into your church and the first person they meet is someone like those on this forum, and rather than discuss God's plan of salvation, they begin telling that person the government is watching them and they need to build a bunker and hide in it, etc., etc. See what I mean. I agree with your observation. These people seem to be so disturbed, one must address them as a doctor does during triage. Some have hope, if they are thrown a lifeline. Some will recover with little need for help. Some are not going to make it no matter how much time you spend on them. That time is wasted and should be spent with the ones who show hope. Some of these conspiracy folks are in too deep and have created an alternate reality in their lives. Because we are not in physical contact with each of them as we would be in a church, it is difficult to know how badly they have slipped away, and if they are total shut-ins who have only internet conspiracy sites to go to for meaning in their lives. I certainly don't want this to be my calling. I have better things to do with my life. You stay neutral and ignore them if you feel that is best. But they have grown in numbers and are spreading their insanity to forums you may spend time in. Your attitude may change one day and you may find yourself badly outnumbered by them. Ignorance and apathy do not equal happiness. Not for me.

i get it now...you're the self appointed pastor of cc.

 

[Sinnerman]

And furthermore sinnerman. My cousin was on the 30 floor of a nearby building when the second plane came in to the second tower and could feel the heat on his face thru plate glass.

Do you have an endless number of deflections you go to in order to avoid having to take a stand and defend a conspiracy you believe in?

I have a cousin...you would be happier if you didn't confront conspiracy people...what about this other conspiracy...I don't have a theory...

I'm not exactly sure what the best way to help mentally ill people is. But I doubt the best way to help them fight the demons telling them all this insane stuff is to ignore them or accept their beliefs or tell them they might have a valid point. If we were trying to help a drug addict or alcoholic, we would try to get them to admit they have a problem before it takes over their life and destroys any hope they might have in living a fruitful life. Conspiracy believers are suffering from some form of psychosis and they will spread their illness, and they seem to be doing just that on this site, while people act amused, thinking they might be joking. You guys are not joking, you believe these theories and embrace others who do like brothers, defending them. Your families and friends, if you have any, must suffer enormously, not knowing how to get you the help you need. Perhaps I'd be best served taking the easy way out and ignoring all of you and laughing at the crazy messages you post. I'll have more free time, that's for sure.

 

[blue_ladybug]

i get it now...you're the self appointed pastor of cc.

The hypocritical, self-appointed, I'm right and you're wrong and you're all mentally ill pastor.. :/ Let him run his trap. It will get him banned sooner or later. And I will laugh, with much glee. Earlier he said he must be clairvoyant, maybe he thinks he's some sort of prophet or seer of all things conspiracy.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

 

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[TD] Steve Anderson:Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
Deb Anlauf:
Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on. "Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."
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Motor 11: There is visible smoke coming from that area...high, visible smoke.
Dispatcher: Motor 11 direct.
Motor 14: Motor 14, it was an American Airlines plane, uh, headed eastbound over the Pike (Columbia Pike highway), possibly toward the Pentagon.
Dispatcher: 10-4. Cruiser 50 direct.
David Battle:
Earlier Tuesday, Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking."
Gary Bauer:
I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine. I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.
Maurice Bease:
Sergeant Maurice L. Bease had worked around Marine aviation long enough to know what a fly-by was, and it sounded like one as he stood outside his office near the Pentagon on Sept. 11. Turning around expecting to see a fighter jet fly over, he saw only a split-second glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward the building, and him! He did not even have time to duck before it plowed into the side of the Pentagon around the corner and about 200 yards from where he stood. Immediately, a ball of flame shot up the side of the building, followed by smoke, lots of it.
Paul Begala:
Paul Begala, a Democratic consultant, said he witnessed an explosion near the Pentagon. "It was a huge fireball, a huge, orange fireball," he said in an interview on his mobile phone.
Mickey Bell:
Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton´s headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much. The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.
Susan Bergen:
Susan Bergen was sitting in a hotel room near the Pentagon on Tuesday morning, glued to TV news coverage of the World Trade Center attack. Out of the corner of her eye, she saw a plane outside the window of her 11th floor room. She turned just in time to see a big jetliner skim the treetops and slam into the side of the Pentagon, less than a half mile from her hotel room. It looked like the plane sped up just before hitting the building, she said.
Brian Birdwell:
LTC Brian Birdwell. He was just heading back down the hall to his office when the building exploded in front of him. ... Once they stabilized Brian, they transferred him to George Washington Hospital where...the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.
Ed Blunt:
Engine 101 actually saw the jetliner plow into the northwest side of the Pentagon. The radio crackled, “Engine 101—emergency traffic, a plane has gone down into the Pentagon."
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Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."

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Pam Bradley:
I work in Washington DC area, and was on my way to work, in my car, sitting on a bridge, and saw the plane hit the Pentagon. I am in a complete state of shock.
Chris Braman:
The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter "A," another with a "C." It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: "This was a jet."
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"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon. He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "[/TD]
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Joseph Candelario:
As I was looking across the river towards the direction of the Pentagon, I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it.
Susan Carroll:
I was standing on the platform high above the [Washington Reagan] airport awaiting a Metro subway train to my office in the heart of the district, on Constitution Avenue, admiring the lovely blue skies when I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the Pentagon.
James R. Cissell:
''Out of my peripheral vision, I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower. ''If you couldn't touch it from standing on the highway, you could by standing on your car.'' ''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said. ''I remember thinking, 'The World Trade Center was just the beginning, there's going to be more.' '' He remembers the helipad the plane flew over before smacking into the Pentagon was close enough to him that ''I could have thrown a baseball at it and hit it.''

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Richard Cox:
The hijacked jetliner, traveling at 350 miles an hour, was only about 100 feet from the ground when it cruised over Arlington police officer Richard Cox's head, just a quarter mile from the Pentagon. "It was low enough for me to see the reflection of cars and trees and buildings on its underside as it passed by," he says. "It was low enough for my heart to stop."
Dan Creed:
He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.[/TD]
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Do you have an endless number of deflections you go to in order to avoid having to take a stand and defend a conspiracy you believe in?

I have a cousin...you would be happier if you didn't confront conspiracy people...what about this other conspiracy...I don't have a theory...

I'm not exactly sure what the best way to help mentally ill people is. But I doubt the best way to help them fight the demons telling them all this insane stuff is to ignore them or accept their beliefs or tell them they might have a valid point. If we were trying to help a drug addict or alcoholic, we would try to get them to admit they have a problem before it takes over their life and destroys any hope they might have in living a fruitful life. Conspiracy believers are suffering from some form of psychosis and they will spread their illness, and they seem to be doing just that on this site, while people act amused, thinking they might be joking. You guys are not joking, you believe these theories and embrace others who do like brothers, defending them. Your families and friends, if you have any, must suffer enormously, not knowing how to get you the help you need. Perhaps I'd be best served taking the easy way out and ignoring all of you and laughing at the crazy messages you post. I'll have more free time, that's for sure.

i can only get thru about the first sentence of your posts. It's because I don't trust you. I am not going to have a discussion with you on only your terms. If I was a bettin man I'd say no one else does either.

 

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John Damoose, a Travis City, Mich. native who was in a meeting said "everybody got nervous. .‚.‚. We didn't know whether to stay inside or go outside. The thing with terrorist attacks is that you don't know what is the next thing that will happen." Damoose said the worst part was leaving the Pentagon and walking along Fort Meyer Drive, a bike trail, "you could see pieces of the plane."
Wayne Day:
"We had one guy who was standing, looking out the window and saw the plane when it was coming in. He was in front of one of the blast-resistant windows," says Kirlin President Wayne T. Day, who believes the window structure saved the man's life. According to Matt Hahr, Kirlin's senior project manager at the Pentagon, the employee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he was traveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from the concussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and the fireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned."
Michael Defina:
"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react."
Michael DiPaula:
"Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed.
Mike Dobbs:
"It was an American airlines airliner. I was looking out the window and saw it come right over the Navy annex at a slow angle. It looked to me to be on a zero-to-zero course. It seemed to be almost coming in in slow motion. I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running."[/TD]
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I saw the plane fly into the Pentagon and turn into a huge fireball two and a half times the size of the Pentagon heightwise. I looked out of my passenger window and the plane was next to me, at level, about probably 100 feet or so away, and then I followed it and saw it fly into the Pentagon.
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[TD]Mark Faram:
As I stepped onto the highway next to the triage area, I knelt down to tie my shoe and all over the highway were small pieces of aircraft skin, none bigger than a half-dollar. Anyone familiar with aircraft has seen the greenish primer paint that covers many interior metal surfaces - that is what these shards were covered with.
Kim Flyler:
"At that moment I heard a plane and then a loud cracking noise.... Right before the plane hit the building, you could see the silhouettes of people in the back two rows. You couldn't see if they were male or female, but you could tell there was a human being in there."
Don Fortunato:
"Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think."
Kat Gaines:
Her commute to the airport took her south on Route 110, in front of the parking lots of the Pentagon. As she approached the parking lots, she saw a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles. She then heard the plane power up and plunge into the Pentagon.
Fred Gaskins:
"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
Mike Gerson:
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[TD]Matt Hahr:
According to Matt Hahr, Kirlin's senior project manager at the Pentagon, the employee "was thrown about 80 ft down the hall through the air. As he was traveling through the air, he says the ceiling was coming down from the concussion. He got thrown into a closet, the door slammed shut and the fireball went past him," recounts Hahr. "Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned."
Afework Hagos:
Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
Cheryl Hammond:
"I thought they'd put out an alert or something," Hammond said. "We saw the big American Airlines plane and started running."
Joe Harrington:
Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash. “About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.,” Harrington said. “It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something.
Albert Hemphill:
All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5.
Fred Hey:
Congressional staff attorney Fred Hey was driving by on Route 50 at that moment. "I can't believe it! This plane is going down into the Pentagon!" he shouted into his cellphone. On the other end of the line was his boss, Rep. Bob Ney (R) of Ohio. Representative Ney immediately phoned the news to House Sergeant-At-Arms Bill Livingood, who ordered an immediate evacuation of the Capitol itself.
Nicholas Holland:
Nicholas Holland, an engineer with AMEC Construction Management of Bethesda, Md., had spent the last two years working to reinforce the walls. Two summers ago, a blast wall of reinforced steel and concrete was installed right where the plane hit.
Tom Hovis:
The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me . Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage.
Will Jarvis:
From time spent on military aircraft as part of his job at the Pentagon, Will Jarvis ... knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, where he works as an operations research analyst for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Jarvis, who was around the corner from the disaster, tried but failed to see the plane when he left the building. "There was just nothing left. It was incinerated. We couldn't see a tail or a wing or anything," he says. "Just a big black hole in the building with smoke pouring out of it."
Andrea Kaiser:
Fire Truck 101 from the Arlington County Fire Department was one of the first on the scene Tuesday morning. The truck was coming back from a training exercise, and one firefighter on board noticed a plane flying too low as they drove past the Pentagon. "Suddenly, we saw the huge explosion of the crash," said firefighter Andrea Kaiser.
Terrence Kean:
Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window. "I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."
Lesley Kelly:
On Sept. 11, I was standing in a break room of an office . . . in downtown D.C., when I looked out the window to see an airplane descend into the side of the Pentagon, where the Navy offices where five friends and colleagues of mine were located.
D. S. Khavkin:
Then, at about 9:40 am Eastern Daylight Time, my husband and I heard an aircraft directly overhead. At first, we thought it was the jets that sometimes fly overhead. However, it appeared to be a small commercial aircraft. The engine was at full throttle. First, the plane knocked down a number of street lamp poles, then headed directly for the Pentagon and crashed on the lawn near the west side the Pentagon. A huge fireball exploded with thick black smoke.
Aydan Kizildrgli:
Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. "There was a big boom," he said. "Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled ‘Did you see that?' Nobody could believe it."
K.M.:
I live in Pentagon City (part of Arlington) and can see the Pentagon when I look out my window. ... It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next...[/TD]
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Peter Kopf, director of information technology at USA TODAY, was stalled in traffic about 9:30 a.m. when the jet hit the Pentagon, creating a "huge fireball." "People (on the highway) were freaking out," he said. "People were turning around and driving the opposite way getting out of their cars, talking on cell phones, crying."[/TD]
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William Lagasse:Sgt. William Lagasse, a Pentagon police dog handler, the son of an aviation instructor, was filling up his patrol car at a gas station near the Pentagon when he noticed a jet fly in low. He watched as the plane plowed into the Pentagon. Initially, he thought the plane was about to drop on top of him -- it was that close. Lagasse knew something was wrong. The 757's flaps were not deployed and the landing gear was retracted.

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Mary Lyman:
"'I saw a plane coming what I thought was toward National Airport, which is very close. You see that all the time. But this one looked different. It was at a very steep angle, and going very fast. I had been hearing about the World Trade Center before I left, and wondered, is this part of that? Then the plane disappeared, smoke started coming up, and traffic came to a complete stop," Lyman said. "We all got out of our cars. We heard another couple of explosions, and I ran and got back in my car."
David Marra:
David Marra, 23, an information-technology specialist, had turned his BMW off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly, looking like it was going to slam right into the Pentagon: "It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground."
Oscar Martinez:
"I saw a big jet flying close to the building coming at full speed. There was a big noise when it hit the building."
Dr. Thom Mayer:
At one point, he went into the charred opening, to check on the safety of workers there “There was jet fuel all over the place. It was very smoky, and it was difficult to breathe, even with a respirator,” he said.
Tom McClain:
I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the aircraft.

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Elaine McCusker:Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don't know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.​

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[TD]Stephen McGraw:"I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. ... There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows."

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Kirk Milburn:
I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."[/TD]
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I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. ... I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities. Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.
James Mosley:
"The building starting shaking, and I looked over and saw this big silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon. It almost knocked me off."
Christopher Munsey:
A silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away. It was a nightmare coming to life. The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking "whoomp" as it appeared to hit the side of the Pentagon. A huge flash of orange flame and black smoke poured into the sky. Smoke seemed to change from black to white, forming a billowing column in the sky.

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John O'Keefe:
I don’t know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,” said the 25-year-old O’Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. “It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I’d just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, ‘That’s not going to make it to National Airport.’ And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black thick smoke.
Mare Ann Owens
Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass. The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard. Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.
Steve Patterson:
Steve Patterson, 43, said he was watching television reports of the World Trade Center being hit when he saw a silver commuter jet fly past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City. The plane was about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. He said it was flying so fast that he couldn't read any writing on the side. The plane, which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent runway, Patterson said. "At first I thought 'Oh my God, there's a plane truly misrouted from National,'" Patterson said. "Then this thing just became part of the Pentagon .‚.‚. I was watching the World Trade Center go and then this. It was like Oh my God, what's next?" He said the plane, which approached the Pentagon below treetop level, seemed to be flying normally for a plane coming in for a landing other than going very fast for being so low. Then, he said, he saw the Pentagon "envelope" the plane and bright orange flames shoot out the back of the building.
Scott Perry:
Scott Perry of Spotsylvania County heard a plane's engines rumbling above the Navy Annex building where he works, so he looked out his window, which faces the Pentagon. "[The plane] was coming straight into the wedge," Perry said. "I saw it crash. There was about five seconds of disbelief, and the next thing I heard was, down the hallway, a friend of mine screaming."
Christine Peterson:
I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, "holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car" (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing. And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire.
Frank Probst:
"I was standing on the sidewalk (parallel to the site of impact)...and I saw this plane coming right at me at what seemed like 300 miles an hour. I dove towards the ground and watched this great big engine from this beautiful airplane just vaporize," said Frank Probst, a member of the Pentagon renovations crew commented. "It looked like a huge fireball, pieces were flying out everywhere."
Wanda Ramey:While Rosati couldn't see the cause of the explosion, Wanda Ramey, a DPS master patrol officer, had had a bird's eye view. Ramey stood at the Mall plaza booth when she saw a low-flying airplane. "I saw the wing of the plane clip the light post, and it made the plane slant. Then the engine revved up and crashed into the west side of the building," she said. "It happened so fast. One second I saw the plane and next it was gone." Recalling those moments again, Ramey said it appeared the building sucked the plane up inside. "A few seconds later, I heard a loud boom and I saw a huge fireball and lots of smoke," she said.[/TD]
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As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. Although airplanes regularly fly over the Pentagon on their way to Reagan National Airport, just a mile or two south, this plane was too low and going too fast. As I watched it disappear behind bridges and concrete barriers I knew it was about to crash.
Rick Renzi:
"The plane came in at an incredibly steep angle with incredibly high speed," said Rick Renzi, a law student who was driving by the Pentagon at the time of the crash about 9:40 a.m. The impact created a huge yellow and orange fireball, he added.[/TD]
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