The American Rapture Cult

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What is your 'theory' about those "signs"...?

Heaven actually appears visibly to us above the earth. Stephen saw heaven as he was dying and going into the spirit. There are lots of passages that seem to indicate that we will be able to see heaven before Christ returns.

 

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Gary,

Check this out. I think I can now prove that the 6th trumpet is God's army on the scene and it has nothing to do with the two witnesses.

Joel 2: For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand: [SUP]2 [/SUP]A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them...[SUP]3 [/SUP]A fire devours before them,And behind them a flame burns;The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,And behind them a desolate wilderness;Surely nothing shall escape them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run. [SUP]5 [/SUP]With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap, Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble, Like a strong people set in battle array.

Rev 9: [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. [SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm.

Notice the similarities?

A people come, great and strong
two hundred million

the appearance of horses
I saw the horses in the vision

A fire devours before them
fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths

behind them a flame burns
their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm

Joel unlocks the Trumpets.

 

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This could be the 1st Trumpet.

Joel 1: [SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, to You I cry out; For fire has devoured the open pastures, And a flame has burned all the trees of the field.

Rev 8: And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

Not saying these are the exact same event but certainly war could explain this.

 

[tanach]

In 2 THessalonians 2 1 -12 Paul sets out the order of events that are to happen before the Rapture or the Gathering of ourselves together as he puts it. He says first there will be a falling away,then the Man of Sin will be revealed . If
Christ can return at any moment as most Pre Tribulationists seem to believe, why did Paul go to all that trouble to tell the
Thessalonians what was going to happen when they wouldnt be around to experience it?

Also when Jesus asked Peter if he loved him why did Jesus tell him what would happen to him when he was old, if he could have come back and raptured him at any time. The main thing I resent about Pre Tribs is that they have questioned my salvation because I do not agree with their view on this subject.