The Trump Dictatorship

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tourist

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tourist,

But wait! If abortion is murder, then you are not punishing the person for the murder. What about all the other murderers, are you going to set them free also?

And you may think that death or jail time is not the thing to do. But once you give the power to the government, they will do things that you did not want them to do, things that you thought that they never would do, like the death penalty for abortions. Maybe only in Kansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, N & S Carolina, Arizona, Louisiana, Colorado, Arkansas, Virginia, and Idaho will they have the death penalty for murder. All others will be life in prison without parole.

And you will say, "No, no, I didn't want that". But the police will come and get the pregnant women, put them in jail, until they are forced to give birth, to prevent the murder.

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See, you have illustrated my point about not thinking beyond the point of making abortion illegal, the consequences of making it illegal.




Here is the problem. Women who don't want to have a child can cause themselves to miscarriage.

Do you want your sister, daughter, aunt, or mother, to die because abortion is illegal? Because they could not get proper medical care?

Maybe you think that it would be justice, that someone should die, after aborting a child. And you say that because it is not someone close to you, who may have been beaten and raped, and their whole world destroyed. Will you have mercy on others?

If only people were reasonable about this matter as you seem to be. But that is not the case. The extremists will not be reasonable. They (men) will force their will on others.

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Trump is only a republican in word, not in deeds. He is a dictator with his own agenda, that does not include promoting the general welfare.




You think that Trump will uphold the laws, when he has already proven that he has no respect for law (tariffs) or this nation's interests and defense from foes. Our foe is not the EU., DUH! Trump's best buddy dictator Czar Putin is the foe! But no, Trump believes Czar Putin over Americans!

When the Trump dictatorship comes, you will have no rights, guns, trial by jury, elections, all gone!




You know Germany had laws too. But they voted Hitler supreme power........At gun point by far rite extremists.




There will be no second amendment, no constitution, no bill of rights, only a Trump dictatorship.

You will do as you are told to do. You will pledge your loyalty to our great fearless leader. You will do the job that you are assigned to do and cheer at every party rally.

Never ask why your Jewish neighbors were taken away, or where they went. And that immigrant neighbor and his family that were taken away, again, keep your mouth shut if you want to live.

Have you no knowledge of history? Or the way that things are in a dictatorship?

Hitler wasn't that smart or able. It was the people around him, that supported him, that helped empower him. With Trump it is the far rite extremists that support his actions. Christians are supporting the same spirits around Trump. Sadly, they don't see the lying spirit that is in him. They continue to make excuses for his behavior and use the devil spirit tactic of pointing the finger at someone else, always accusing day and night, (It's all Obama's fault, he made me do it!), instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.




Is that what the sly and cunning Fox told you? That everybody against the republicans wants a government that controls you?

How much will making abortion illegal add to the government's control over women? We will need many more jails for women. More police and investigators. More prison guards. Thousands and thousands of women in prisons.

And if being gay, or what ever, becomes illegal, the government will have to be watching everybody's sex life to make sure that they are not having gay sex, or the kind of sex not approved by the Bible, and a panel of conservative experts. (Republicans and RCC priests.)

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I think that everyone wants a reasonable, fair, and just government, with equal rights for all.

The idea that people don't want this is a tactic of division by persons who look to gain by dividing Americans.

(Remember that these far right extremists want to cause race wars, left and rite wars, and other conflicts, so that they can declare marshal law and seize power. This is the classic pattern of dictators. Now being attempted on this generations of Americans.)
I agree with you that Trump is only a Republican in name. You wrote a very interesting point also in explaining your point of view. Mostly, I just want to live my life in peace regardless of who the controlling party is in the government. I use to watch FOX news exclusively but the past few years only have very basic cable service. Currently watch ABC evening news, it is not fair and balanced but then neither was FOX.
 

abcdef

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I agree with you that Trump is only a Republican in name. You wrote a very interesting point also in explaining your point of view.

Mostly, I just want to live my life in peace regardless of who the controlling party is in the government.
Yes, this is a dream of all people, not just Americans. And it will work as long as the public servants have love and the best interests of the people in their hearts.

Sadly we mist continue to fight for our freedom. The cost of freedom is in the graveyards, hospitals, and broken spirits of those who sacrificed their lives and continue to sacrifice the well being of themselves and their families.

These who have fought, should be outraged at the things that are happening. Czar Putin put his man in the white house, Czar Putin's choice, not the American peoples choice. Czar Putin has already overthrown the American government by helping to elect Trump.

And then the top GOP trying to destroy the investigation into the Russian spy ring? Ryan, Nunes, and Gowdy? Why? Why? Why?

Why are they covering up a Russian spy ring? Why are they destroying the investigation into that Russian spy ring? Making NO attempts to stop the spies? Sacrificing our national security to Russian Spies? NOT DEFENDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????????????? (They took Russian monies funneled through the NRA. and the Russians are helping the republican party. Oh, but if the Russians were helping the Democrats, then there would be hell to pay, but as long as the Russians help the Republicans, hey, it's ok, with the top republicans)

They are more loyal to Trump, Czar Putin, the party, and a Russian spy ring, than to the people of America and the righteousness of Jesus.


I use to watch FOX news exclusively but the past few years only have very basic cable service. Currently watch ABC evening news, it is not fair and balanced but then neither was FOX.
That is why we have a free press. Read the news and opinions and make up your own mind.[/QUOTE]
 

calibob

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Yes, this is a dream of all people, not just Americans. And it will work as long as the public servants have love and the best interests of the people in their hearts.

Sadly we mist continue to fight for our freedom. The cost of freedom is in the graveyards, hospitals, and broken spirits of those who sacrificed their lives and continue to sacrifice the well being of themselves and their families.

These who have fought, should be outraged at the things that are happening. Czar Putin put his man in the white house, Czar Putin's choice, not the American peoples choice. Czar Putin has already overthrown the American government by helping to elect Trump.

And then the top GOP trying to destroy the investigation into the Russian spy ring? Ryan, Nunes, and Gowdy? Why? Why? Why?

Why are they covering up a Russian spy ring? Why are they destroying the investigation into that Russian spy ring? Making NO attempts to stop the spies? Sacrificing our national security to Russian Spies? NOT DEFENDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????????????? (They took Russian monies funneled through the NRA. and the Russians are helping the republican party. Oh, but if the Russians were helping the Democrats, then there would be hell to pay, but as long as the Russians help the Republicans, hey, it's ok, with the top republicans)

They are more loyal to Trump, Czar Putin, the party, and a Russian spy ring, than to the people of America and the righteousness of Jesus.
That is why we have a free press. Read the news and opinions and make up your own mind.
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This is going to make people mad; About 15% of Americans have bought into the Trump Cult, some see his wealth as a sign from God that he is the man to save this nation some even believe that God is pro-republican. They mostly only watch Fox news or Alex Jones and listen to Rush Limbaugh they are nearly out of reach, because they are out of touch with reality. Their's also Nazi's, Klansmen and Fascists and others that are A-Moral and take advise from the likes of Ayn Rand. They know what's going on and approve. I shake the dust from my shoes at them. They mostly aren't concerned about the planet or their grand children's future. Then their are the Paranoids still affraid of the Communist Boogy Men from the 50's. They've even told me that MSNBC and CNN are Socialists. Wow, like bailing out the Banks and subsidizing Oil, Gas and Monsanto's Frankenstein Corn isn't Socialist?

The Devil can't stand the whole truth. It is him we are against. He even tried to trick Jesus into worshiping him.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Yes, this is a dream of all people, not just Americans. And it will work as long as the public servants have love and the best interests of the people in their hearts.

Sadly we mist continue to fight for our freedom. The cost of freedom is in the graveyards, hospitals, and broken spirits of those who sacrificed their lives and continue to sacrifice the well being of themselves and their families.

These who have fought, should be outraged at the things that are happening. Czar Putin put his man in the white house, Czar Putin's choice, not the American peoples choice. Czar Putin has already overthrown the American government by helping to elect Trump.

And then the top GOP trying to destroy the investigation into the Russian spy ring? Ryan, Nunes, and Gowdy? Why? Why? Why?

Why are they covering up a Russian spy ring? Why are they destroying the investigation into that Russian spy ring? Making NO attempts to stop the spies? Sacrificing our national security to Russian Spies? NOT DEFENDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????????????? (They took Russian monies funneled through the NRA. and the Russians are helping the republican party. Oh, but if the Russians were helping the Democrats, then there would be hell to pay, but as long as the Russians help the Republicans, hey, it's ok, with the top republicans)

They are more loyal to Trump, Czar Putin, the party, and a Russian spy ring, than to the people of America and the righteousness of Jesus.




That is why we have a free press. Read the news and opinions and make up your own mind.
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I am not a republican or democrat, but you have made a lot of charges toward the republicans without offering any proof. Care to give us the source of these charges, or is it only your opinion.

That last statement about a free press is just hilarious.
The press has been controled by the left or right for years.
 

tanakh

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There's no telling what's going to happen, because Trump is the one bringing in the last days. People are calling evil good and good evil.
Well what a revelation I always thought it was God that would bring in the last days, but it is actually Trump!! The world can sleep easy tonight because Trump is in charge of everything
 

abcdef

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I am not a republican or democrat, but you have made a lot of charges toward the republicans without offering any proof. Care to give us the source of these charges, or is it only your opinion.
Spoon,

What about the Robert Mueller investigation?

The guilty pleas and indictments?

The truth is just beginning to come out.

Tell me why the Republicans are trying to destroy the investigation into a Russian spy ring that interfered in our elections? Why? Why attack the FBI investigation into Russian spying?????????????????????????????????????

Can you tell me?

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That last statement about a free press is just hilarious.
The press has been controled by the left or right for years.
People of all different backgrounds are free to express their opinion, far right to far left, independent of each other.

Your delusion that they are all controlled by one entity is pitiful.

Is your local newspaper controlled by radical right wing entities? Or leftist plotters?

Is your local radio station controlled by pacifists?

Who controls the Fox? Left wingers? Communists?

The idea that one super secret entity controls all the press is a conspiracy fantasy that you have been deceived into believing.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Spoon,

What about the Robert Mueller investigation?

The guilty pleas and indictments?

The truth is just beginning to come out.

Tell me why the Republicans are trying to destroy the investigation into a Russian spy ring that interfered in our elections? Why? Why attack the FBI investigation into Russian spying?????????????????????????????????????
Meu

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People of all different backgrounds are free to express their opinion, far right to far left, independent of each other.

Your delusion that they are all controlled by one entity is pitiful.

Is your local newspaper controlled by radical right wing entities? Or leftist plotters?

Is your local radio station controlled by pacifists?

Who controls the Fox? Left wingers? Communists?

The idea that one super secret entity controls all the press is a conspiracy fantasy that you have been deceived into believing.
Whoa there-------
I am not the one delusional, you fit that more than me.
The Mueller investigation has said nothing about the Russians funneling money through the NRA to the Republicans as you stated.
Hey, aren't the one who also posted about Trump going to Russia to finalize his dictatorship.
If you have proof of that, please give us the source.
Every newspaper or news outlet is swayed toward the left or right in accord with those who own that news outlet. Just a fact. Been that way for years.
Never said that some super secret entity controls the press.
If you really think there is any unbiased news out there, you are delusional.
 

abcdef

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Whoa there-------
I am not the one delusional, you fit that more than me.
We will see as time passes and the truth comes out.

The Mueller investigation has said nothing about the Russians funneling money through the NRA to the Republicans as you stated.
So far. What will you say when they start bringing charges against Americans and Trump for conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and treason? Get your answer ready, cause it's coming.

Did you see the spy story today about the Russian agent being arrested, who was associated with the NRA? Maybe your sly and cunning Fox forgot to tell you.

Did you see how Trump sided with Czar Putin against our fellow Americans? The FBI, CIA, etc.?

So your sly Fox didn't tell you about the Russian money funneled through the NRA? Hmmm, I wonder why?

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Hey, aren't the one who also posted about Trump going to Russia to finalize his dictatorship.
That is correct.


If you have proof of that, please give us the source.
Try to watch some other sources besides the sly and cunning Fox. Trump will either be impeached or be a dictator, he will not go quietly either way.

He is President because of Czar Putin. He is Czar Putin's successful attempt to overthrow the rightful American government. He is the president of Czar Putin, not the American people. That makes Trump the unlawful dictator for Czar Putin. If he is not stopped, he will seize power and end America.


Every newspaper or news outlet is swayed toward the left or right in accord with those who own that news outlet. Just a fact. Been that way for years.
Never said that some super secret entity controls the press.
That's is what you implied, that the press is not independent and diversified, that it is all controlled by a shadowy group on a nation wide basis. No? Then what did you mean?


If you really think there is any unbiased news out there, you are delusional.
I said that it was diversified and that the free press has opinions from far rite to far left.

But you implied that it was all controlled by some entity that no one knows, Yes/No?
 
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pjharrison

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Well what a revelation I always thought it was God that would bring in the last days, but it is actually Trump!! The world can sleep easy tonight because Trump is in charge of everything
Right. Trump could very well be the beast or paving the way for him. Trump has done and said so many awful things and nobody cares. He actually said himself that he could go shot somebody in the street and his followers would still follow him. I don't really care because what is going to happen is going to happen anyway, but it just amaze me how people just look over the lies and things he say.
 
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SpoonJuly

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We will see as time passes and the truth comes out.



So far. What will you say when they start bringing charges against Americans and Trump for conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and treason? Get your answer ready, cause it's coming.

Did you see the spy story today about the Russian agent being arrested, who was associated with the NRA? Maybe your sly and cunning Fox forgot to tell you.

Did you see how Trump sided with Czar Putin against our fellow Americans? The FBI, CIA, etc.?

So your sly Fox didn't tell you about the Russian money funneled through the NRA? Hmmm, I wonder why?

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That is correct.




Try to watch some other sources besides the sly and cunning Fox. Trump will either be impeached or be a dictator, he will not go quietly either way.

He is President because of Czar Putin. He is Czar Putin's successful attempt to overthrow the rightful American government. He is the president of Czar Putin, not the American people. That makes Trump the unlawful dictator for Czar Putin. If he is not stopped, he will seize power and end America.




That's is what you implied, that the press is not independent and diversified, that it is all controlled by a shadowy group on a nation wide basis. No? Then what did you mean?




I said that it was diversified and that the free press has opinions from far rite to far left.

But you implied that it was all controlled by some entity that no one knows, Yes/No?
Your problem is that you read into everything what you want it to say.
I did not imply anything.
You assume I watch Fox, again with no proof.
Putin did not put Trump in office, the American election system did so.
Now if some voters were influenced by the hackers, well that just shows how ignorant most voters are.
You have offered no proof, just your conspiracy beliefs.
I will admit, you do have a very wild imagination.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Donald Trump is meeting with Czar Putin to finalize plans for a Trump dictatorship.

Supported by the Russians and Republicans, Trump will eliminate the Constitution and the bill of rights, and form a dictatorship, made up of extremists on the far rite. KKK, Nazi's, etc.

Citizens will have 30 days to turn in their guns. Anyone found with a gun after the 30 days will be shot immediately as a liberal terrorist.

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Abortion will be made illegal, and all unwanted children will be raised by the state and called, "Der Fuhrer's children", or "Trumps children".
Seems that every president in my lifetime has been labeled the boogy man by those who oppose him.
 

abcdef

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Your problem is that you read into everything what you want it to say.
I did not imply anything.
Spoon,

Ok, I thought you did.


You assume I watch Fox, again with no proof.
So tell me now, do you watch Fox or not?


Putin did not put Trump in office, the American election system did so.
Now if some voters were influenced by the hackers, well that just shows how ignorant most voters are.
Do you vote and put yourself in the ignorant category also? Just asking, no reply necessary.

It was the Russian hackers helped by the far rite accusers that made the difference. Trump is an unlawful dictator that came to power because of Czar Putin, that makes him a dictator, because he came to power through an unlawful election rigged by foreign enemies .

Remember the words of Trump himself that said that the election was rigged, don't you believe him? Oh, you mean that he was lying? Or not lying?


You have offered no proof, just your conspiracy beliefs.
The proof is in what Trump said and did today with Czar Putin at the summit. He sided with Czar Putin against the USA.


I will admit, you do have a very wild imagination.
Open your eyes. Stop defending the Trump author of lies. He will destroy America if he is not impeached.

Trump, American disgrace. Christian disgrace. Giving Jesus a bad name. Dragging the name of Jesus through the mud, every time he lies.

I am very afraid that the worst is yet to come, and that many will die and suffer when it begins, the Trump dictatorship.

Only if the Republicans do their sworn duty to the American people will he be stopped. So far they have been,........complacent and allowing the evil to grow.

Trump: Making America like Russia.

America was great, until Trump.
 

calibob

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Spoon,

Ok, I thought you did.




So tell me now, do you watch Fox or not?




Do you vote and put yourself in the ignorant category also? Just asking, no reply necessary.

It was the Russian hackers helped by the far rite accusers that made the difference. Trump is an unlawful dictator that came to power because of Czar Putin, that makes him a dictator, because he came to power through an unlawful election rigged by foreign enemies .

Remember the words of Trump himself that said that the election was rigged, don't you believe him? Oh, you mean that he was lying? Or not lying?




The proof is in what Trump said and did today with Czar Putin at the summit. He sided with Czar Putin against the USA.




Open your eyes. Stop defending the Trump author of lies. He will destroy America if he is not impeached.

Trump, American disgrace. Christian disgrace. Giving Jesus a bad name. Dragging the name of Jesus through the mud, every time he lies.

I am very afraid that the worst is yet to come, and that many will die and suffer when it begins, the Trump dictatorship.

Only if the Republicans do their sworn duty to the American people will he be stopped. So far they have been,........complacent and allowing the evil to grow.

Trump: Making America like Russia.

America was great, until Trump.
Neither the American voters nor Putin directly put Trump trump in office. The electoral college did. Which proves it needs a major overhaul. People nolonger have to tally votes by district and carry them by horse back, that's as old fashoned as the Kentucky rifle.

Don't forget Hillary rigged the election also against Sanders and we will never what would have happened if we had an honest, fair, modern election
 

Dem

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Donald Trump is meeting with Czar Putin to finalize plans for a Trump dictatorship.

Supported by the Russians and Republicans, Trump will eliminate the Constitution and the bill of rights, and form a dictatorship, made up of extremists on the far rite. KKK, Nazi's, etc.

Citizens will have 30 days to turn in their guns. Anyone found with a gun after the 30 days will be shot immediately as a liberal terrorist.

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Abortion will be made illegal, and all unwanted children will be raised by the state and called, "Der Fuhrer's children", or "Trumps children".
Trump is a coward and controlled by Putin but the people will not allow all that although it was fun reading
 
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SpoonJuly

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Spoon,

Ok, I thought you did.




So tell me now, do you watch Fox or not?




Do you vote and put yourself in the ignorant category also? Just asking, no reply necessary.

It was the Russian hackers helped by the far rite accusers that made the difference. Trump is an unlawful dictator that came to power because of Czar Putin, that makes him a dictator, because he came to power through an unlawful election rigged by foreign enemies .

Remember the words of Trump himself that said that the election was rigged, don't you believe him? Oh, you mean that he was lying? Or not lying?




The proof is in what Trump said and did today with Czar Putin at the summit. He sided with Czar Putin against the USA.




Open your eyes. Stop defending the Trump author of lies. He will destroy America if he is not impeached.

Trump, American disgrace. Christian disgrace. Giving Jesus a bad name. Dragging the name of Jesus through the mud, every time he lies.

I am very afraid that the worst is yet to come, and that many will die and suffer when it begins, the Trump dictatorship.

Only if the Republicans do their sworn duty to the American people will he be stopped. So far they have been,........complacent and allowing the evil to grow.

Trump: Making America like Russia.

America was great, until Trump.
Again you are assuming------------
Where have I defended Trump?
Trump is not a dictator. He is the elected President. Just because you do not like it, does not change the fact that he was elected.
He can not destroy America by himself no more than Obama could. Or any president for that matter.
There are limits on what any president can do.

For the record---
I do not watch TV news.
I did not vote for Trump or Clinton. Could not bring myself to once again choose the lesser of two evils.
Are things going bad? Yea, they have been for a long time now.
Are things going to get better? I do not see how. This country has become to divided. It is not about America anymore, it is about "me" and what I want.
I am afraid this country has reached the point that it can no longer be governed.
And it is the fault of the voters, not Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush or any elected official.
It is our fault.
The end is very close.

Trump ain't the boogy man. Just another politician doing his thing.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Neither the American voters nor Putin directly put Trump trump in office. The electoral college did. Which proves it needs a major overhaul. People nolonger have to tally votes by district and carry them by horse back, that's as old fashoned as the Kentucky rifle.

Don't forget Hillary rigged the election also against Sanders and we will never what would have happened if we had an honest, fair, modern election
Yes the voters did.
The system has always been the same.
It is all about winning electoral votes, not the most votes.
Trump used the system. Clinton did not.
Clinton just never considered she would loose.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Trump is a coward and controlled by Putin but the people will not allow all that although it was fun reading
Funny---
Trump has always been controlled by Trump.
Like many on this site, he thinks he know everything.
 

calibob

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#38
I do not watch TV news.
I did not vote for Trump or Clinton. Could not bring myself to once again choose the lesser of two evils.
Are things going bad? Yea, they have been for a long time now.
Are things going to get better? I do not see how. This country has become to divided. It is not about America anymore, it is about "me" and what I want.
I am afraid this country has reached the point that it can no longer be governed.
And it is the fault of the voters, not Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush or any elected official.
It is our fault.
The end is very close.

Trump ain't the boogy man. Just another politician doing his thing.[/QUOTE]

Now we've found something to agree on; I don't subscribe to cable news either but I get wi-fi, YOU TUBE, CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN and DEMOCRACY NOW. I no loner watch Fox or TYT and when i get bored I watch a lot of history and educational programs. I feel that somewhere between Jimmy Carter and Jerald Ford is the middle of the road. But now many Democrats are as conservative as Ford and the Republicans are even worse than Reagan. and the choices were between a Corporate Socialist and a Fascist. What kind of choice was that?

Trump ain't the boogy man, he's too dumb. But he's to dumb to know the boogy man if he was hit in the butt with a 2x4 by one.
 

calibob

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Yes the voters did.
The system has always been the same.
It is all about winning electoral votes, not the most votes.
Trump used the system. Clinton did not.
Clinton just never considered she would loose.
That the system must be changed!
 

calibob

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Ross Porot was right all along. The USA should be run like a corporation, with the Voters as share holders an the elected as managers accountable to the voters, like CEO to share holders and just turn the Constitution around and make it a republican democracy then the last significant problem remaining problem is the national debt. That nobody wants pay off.