trump is the antichrist

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Take a look at Ezekiel 38-39. The nations mentioned there are all Islamic today. Some people interpret some of them as Russia and Germany. But that would be incorrect. Most of them are nations in Turkey, Iran, and the Islamic 'stan' countries to the north, and countries in Northern Africa.

"The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, citing ancient Assyrian writings, places the location of Magog in the land mass between ancient Armenia and Media - in short, the Republics south of Russia and north of Israel, comprised of Azerbajian, Afghanistan, Turkestan, Chechnya, Turkey, Iran and Dagestan. Significantly, all of them are Muslim nations."

Look at Psalm 83, every nation mentioned there is Islamic today...

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

For centuries several scholars believed Isaiah 14 says the anti-Christ would be an Assyrian.

The "Wicked Counsellor in the book of Nathan has long been accepted as the anti-Christ who emerges from Nineveh, the ancient capital city of Assyria.

Nahum says about Nineveh in verse 11...

"There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor."

The Assyrian anti-Christ is found in Isaiah 10, 14, 30, and Micah 5. This passage tells us the area the anti-Christ will originate.

Nineveh is the ancient capital city of the Assyrian Empire. It is said that this ancient city has produced the world's first dictator. Mesopotamia literally means “between the rivers,” (Acts 7:2-4). This area is the same area where the anti-Christ is mentioned in Isaiah, and the same area Nineveh resided, and the same place Saddam Hussein was born, "between the rivers."

Finis Dake, Arthur Pink, E.W Bullinger, and Benjamin Newton, and many others all believed that the end-time anti-Christ would be an Assyrian and come from Babylon just like Nebuchadnezzar and Antiochus Epiphanes did. That was the theory most people accepted even before the reformation.

The Assyrian anti-Christ is found in Isaiah 10, 14, 30, and Micah 5, and a few other tidbits here and there. He is the rod of God's anger against Israel in the end. This is the man God uses to bring Israel back to Him just before Christ returns.

In order to do this right, I would have to start a thread because it is a bit lengthy.
Thanks for your response bro.
 
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I have a problem with anyone who's fanatical about their sect. Slayer is a prime example of Calvinist fanaticism.
However, it is beyond me why anyone would call themselves Calvinist knowing his fanatical murderous past.
But hey, to each his own.
You're repeating things about Calvin that are inaccurate.
 

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Amen but I am having so much fun. But you are right. But one thing we are just the vessels that God uses He does the saving.
lol, I know, The Lord has blessed me with so much tallent I don't know what to do with it all, lol. Amen
 

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And that all was very horrible, but to try to point the finger at a whole nation of "white folks", as if they all believed the same way, or that evil only resides in the hearts of "racist white Americans for 300 years of slavery", is fallacious. Does this excuse the evil? No, but is this what Christ taught? NOPE, and I know it's unpopular to say, but wasn't slavery abolished within that same white Christian culture? Not only that you realize the democratic party was the slave owning party right? The only thing that's changed is they have fooled and enslaved so many now into 100% reliance on big daddy government. The deeds of the past are horrible no doubt, and the evil of mans heart is still the source of ALL mankind's woes, yes ALL of them, but our God has, in His grace and mercy, provided a way for us to be justified and made whole in His eyes, and that way, the ONLY way, is through faith in Jesus our Savior. The redeemer of His creation, so when I see people connecting this truth, tying His glorious love and righteousness with the evils of men, and looking down there noses with condemnation at our God and Lord Jesus Christ, as if this was what He calls us to do, I have to call it out for what it is, a slanderous lie, and COMPLETE mischaracterization of what being a Christian is. Jesus gave us a very easy test on how we can know if one is of Him, He said we will know them by their fruit, a good tree produces good fruit, a bad tree bad fruit, a good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor the bad tree produce good. You can mock this test all you want, but it's a solid test, and it's solid because it's truth. I'm not sure what your intentions are with this kind of view you're sharing, but I only see it further dividing, I don't see you offering any constructive solutions, so please tell us what you think would be just? How do we "make up for", the sins of the past?
When the Constitution was created there was an attempt eradicate slavery. The south prevented it. The statement was made at that time there would come a reckoning. The Civil War was that reckoning. In that war we had more casualties than all the rest of the wars we fought. A huge price to pay!!
You're repeating things about Calvin that are inaccurate.
Here is the long 5 points of Calvinism. Point out where they are in error. I have a similar list of Armenianism. I will post it if you ask.

Five Points of Calvinism

These five categories do not comprise Calvinism in totality. They simply represent some of its main points.

Total Depravity:


Sin has affected all parts of man. The heart, emotions, will, mind, and body are all affected by sin. We are completely sinful. We are not as sinful as we could be, but we are completely affected by sin.

The doctrine of Total Depravity is derived from scriptures that reveal human character: Man’s heart is evil (Mark 7:21-23) and sick Jer. 17:9). Man is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:20). He does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12). He cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14). He is at enmity with God (Eph. 2:15). And, is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3). The Calvinist asks the question, "In light of the scriptures that declare man’s true nature as being utterly lost and incapable, how is it possible for anyone to choose or desire God?" The answer is, "He cannot. Therefore God must predestine."

Calvinism also maintains that because of our fallen nature we are born again not by our own will but God’s will (John 1:12-13); God grants that we believe (Phil. 1:29); faith is the work of God (John 6:28-29); God appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48); and God predestines (Eph. 1:1-11; Rom. 8:29; 9:9-23).


Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not (Rom. 9:15, 21).

Limited Atonement:
Jesus died only for the elect. Though Jesus’ sacrifice was sufficient for all, it was not efficacious for all. Jesus only bore the sins of the elect. Support for this position is drawn from such scriptures as Matt. 26:28 where Jesus died for ‘many'; John 10:11, 15 which say that Jesus died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 17:9 where Jesus in prayer interceded for the ones given Him, not those of the entire world; Acts 20:28 and Eph. 5:25-27 which state that the Church was purchased by Christ, not all people; and Isaiah 53:12 which is a prophecy of Jesus’ crucifixion where he would bore the sins of many (not all).

Irresistible Grace:
When God calls his elect into salvation, they cannot resist. God offers to all people the gospel message. This is called the external call. But to the elect, God extends an internal call and it cannot be resisted. This call is by the Holy Spirit who works in the hearts and minds of the elect to bring them to repentance and regeneration whereby they willingly and freely come to God. Some of the verses used in support of this teaching are Romans 9:16 where it says that "it is not of him who wills nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy"; Philippians 2:12-13 where God is said to be the one working salvation in the individual; John 6:28-29 where faith is declared to be the work of God; Acts 13:48 where God appoints people to believe; and John 1:12-13 where being born again is not by man’s will, but by God’s.
鄭ll that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).

Perseverance of the Saints:
You cannot lose your salvation. Because the Father has elected, the Son has redeemed, and the Holy Spirit has applied salvation, those thus saved are eternally secure. They are eternally secure in Christ. Some of the verses for this position are John 10:27-28 where Jesus said His sheep will never perish; John 6:47 where salvation is described as everlasting life; Romans 8:1 where it is said we have passed out of judgment; 1 Corinthians 10:13 where God promises to never let us be tempted beyond what we can handle; and Phil. 1:6 where God is the one being faithful to perfect us until the day of Jesus’ return.
 

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He is destroying the world one day at a time. Christians should at no time
support his evil decisions because is they do, they are complicit in ugly
reign of terror. He aligns himself with other dictators and monsters of this
world while he is more than willing to destroying any allies who are trying
to build a precious world. He is a monstrous liar, a cheat, a phoney, a con man
and the world's biggest charlatan. Christians need to immediately cease and
desist supporting this "evil one" by aiding him in his destructive ways.
I'm a bit surprised you take all that the mainstream media says so seriously. As a biblically based Christian who has studied the political realm extensively for probably a decade and a half including venturing into areas one is not supposed to enter, I have reached the conclusion that this world ain't gonna be fixed by human beings.

Hence, i do not place my trust in any politician to correct the results of God's curse upon this world, nor the results of man's sinful nature. (Jeremiah 17:11) and (Psalm 146:3).

That being said, some are better than others. We have what i call the "leftstream media" presenting Donald Trump as the most evil person that has ever occupied the office.

Yet this same leftstream media had little to say about Barack Obama's deference to Islam (which is truly Anti-Christ. See Nonie Darwish's book Wholly Different: Why I Chose Biblical Values Over Islam for an excellent comparison of biblical Christian cultural values and Islamic cultural values. You will find that the title of Nonie's book makes a very clear case. This from a woman who spent 30 years in Egypt under sharia law and now 37 years in the U.S. btw.)

Obama's deference to socialist values (Socialism is the basis for Communism, Nazism and Facism btw) in the form of Obamacare, extensive regulatory additions and rampant public money spending (adding more to the national debt than all other President's combined) among other actions is certainly not an endorsement of biblical values.

The leftstream media had little to anything to say about this movement of us towards the non-biblical socialist values that Obama endorsed. Not a complaint as he buried us in debt and government regulation.

Yet, Trump enters the scene and before he even took office and did a thing, there were nationwide protests.

Had Hillary have won, which most felt was a continuation of Obama's policy with some Clinton corruption mixed in for good measure, we would have witnessed a general acceptance by the majority of the media and none of what is surfacing now would have arisen. Frankly, she may have been the nail in the coffin of a nation already heading in the wrong direction.

Christ said, judge a tree by its fruits. Who is leading the charge against Trump?

Well, we saw a march of woman that wore pink hats that they likened to a part of the female anatomy. They were Pro-Choice (which is to say Pro-Death really). They are pro-Islam as they permitted Linda Sarsour to speak about a Jihad against Trump while ignoring the fact that Islam endorses a brutality against woman that is vicious and demeaning. They were mostly angry, foul mouthed woman carrying signs with embarrassing obscenities while young female children were permitted to march and more. Not exactly a model of Christ but rather a closer match with this Satan ruled realm.

The pro-life march a month or so later reflected a complete 180 turn around btw. Research it yourself.

Then, we have Antifa. Flat out Marxists. Clear from the fact that they spout Marxist chants, wear masks with the Communist flag on them and parade the Communist flag at their Anti-Trump rallies. They are foul-mouthed, viciously destructive of private property, embarrasingly arrogant in the face of authority which they hate, do not support American values (which are biblically based even if not intentional), promote both hatred and violence and believe in silencing the opposition through noise which btw reminds me of the Ephesian's who chanted- Great is Diana of the Ephesians "about the space of two hours" Acts 19:34

Had Hillary been elected we probably would have seen none of this but would have continued in the Obama direction.

So, as Christ said, judge a tree by its fruit.

To me, I don't expect Trump to "fix" everything. No one will IMHO until Christ returns to finish the job so to speak and separate the wheat from the chaff in the process.

However, what I do see from Trump is a mirror. He is attempting to "drain the swamp" as he puts it. The swamp is the decay created by secular humanist values which come straight out of Marxist/Leninism and is truly anti-Christ.

The swamp of decay doesn't want that. They want a corrupt plantation of government under which we work as slaves to the State. See Christian Dinesh D'Souza's new movie- Death of a Nation (or read the book) for a capsule summary of that.

Trump in his attempt to drain is stirring the swamp creatures to action. They will use any means possible to keep their swamp of anti-Christ decay intact. It is reflected in the most vociferous groups opposing anything Donald Trump attempts.

Personally, I don't expect perfection from Donald. He is a sinner just like the rest of us. However, I personally support his attempts. It is far from Anti-Christ if you observe what is going on objectively. He supports Israel and moved the capital to Jerusalem. Obama did almost nothing to help Israel and was deferential to its cause in many ways. (His Arab spring movement allowed Al Qaeda to replace the vacuum created by the death and defeat of Kaddafi for example.)

Trump has all but eliminated ISIS, or ISIL as Obama put it, in a year. Something Obama promised would take possibly decades.

While Obama promoted the State enslavement of black with dramatic food stamp and welfare increases, blacks now have the lowest employment rates ever recorded as do Latinos. Not bad for a racist, one could say.

While Obama piled on the debt, Trump is stimulating the economy by lowering regulatory controls (He's eliminated over 30,000 pages from the Federal Register which Obama drove up to over 92,000 pages, the most ever.) and lowering taxes on Corporations and businesses which, quite honestly, hire the rest of us. The 83% tax break claim applies because the wealthy pay the majority of the taxes. People considered low income pay little to none. Of course, the wealthy will experience most of the tax reductions.

Not everything is great about Trump. I want out of these debt producing wars myself and do not look forward to any escalation of international conflicts but would rather see us withdraw.

He's not a politician and doesn't talk like one. That's OK, neither do most of the rest of us, including Christians.

He gets embroiled in silly stuff on Twitter which is a distraction he should use judiciously IMHO.

But, is he better than the Marxism of Obama and what Hillary would have brought?

Judge the tree by its fruit which includes those so strongly opposed to Donald Trump. That will tell you more than some CNN or MSNBC spun story focusing on a negative that ultimately has no direct impact on our lives. Personally, I am interested in results not the fluff of secular humanist inspired identity politics.

Just my two cents on the topic. Use biblical principles and make your own mind up keeping in mind Psalm 146:3 as you do.
 

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I'm looking for scriptural evidence and you haven't provided it. I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything about Rome. All I want to see is SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE!
End times is not yet. First the third temple has to be built on the site of the first and second temple. That site has been excavated and the Gihon Spring, the alter, and other features. The abomination that desecrates will take place in the temple.

End times (eschatology)
Here are 4 different links to the 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.

This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.

https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm

http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
 

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I find the fact this thread exists on a Christian Blog disgusting. Why do the admins allow it. It goes against Christian principles.
 

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I find the fact this thread exists on a Christian Blog disgusting. Why do the admins allow it. It goes against Christian principles.
I humbly disagree. Christ was no wall flower when it came to the politics of his day. Read the New Testament with an open mind. He sat and made a whip with his own carpenter skilled hands before he went into the temple and "drove out" the money changers. He wasn't posting on blogs. He took direct action in the street, so to speak.

Also, look at his dialogues with the pharisees, Sadducees and lawyers. These were the political class in the Hebrew culture at the time. They ran the show.

Christ was bold and outspoken with them. He stood before them and called them hypocrites repeatedly, including the lawyers- which unfortunately still applies btw.

Not exactly the actions of a passive "Christian" and, of course, he was the original Christian (a bit of intentional humor there).

If we call ourselves Christians and take our model from Christ, he presented a model of speaking out against hypocrisy and corrupt authority not to mention his willingness to die without a struggle for his way and us.

We should all pray for the courage of Christ. I have read the lives of missionaries. Quite honestly, I feel like a coward when I compare myself to Christ's incredible outspoken bravery and the amazing courage of missionaries- both men and woman which was inspired by Christ.

If we all cultivated that level of bravery against sin, perhaps we would not have the political, social and economic mess we see in this nation and around the world today.
 

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I humbly disagree. Christ was no wall flower when it came to the politics of his day. Read the New Testament with an open mind. He sat and made a whip with his own carpenter skilled hands before he went into the temple and "drove out" the money changers. He wasn't posting on blogs. He took direct action in the street, so to speak.

Also, look at his dialogues with the pharisees, Sadducees and lawyers. These were the political class in the Hebrew culture at the time. They ran the show.

Christ was bold and outspoken with them. He stood before them and called them hypocrites repeatedly, including the lawyers- which unfortunately still applies btw.

Not exactly the actions of a passive "Christian" and, of course, he was the original Christian (a bit of intentional humor there).

If we call ourselves Christians and take our model from Christ, he presented a model of speaking out against hypocrisy and corrupt authority not to mention his willingness to die without a struggle for his way and us.

We should all pray for the courage of Christ. I have read the lives of missionaries. Quite honestly, I feel like a coward when I compare myself to Christ's incredible outspoken bravery and the amazing courage of missionaries- both men and woman which was inspired by Christ.

If we all cultivated that level of bravery against sin, perhaps we would not have the political, social and economic mess we see in this nation and around the world today.
Disagreeing vigorously with Trump is OK on this site but labeling anybody the anti Christ goes way beyond being acceptable on a Christian web site. That is something any Christian should understand. Therefore I have my doubts about the author of the thread and anybody that defends this.
 
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He is destroying the world one day at a time. Christians should at no time
support his evil decisions because is they do, they are complicit in ugly
reign of terror. He aligns himself with other dictators and monsters of this
world while he is more than willing to destroying any allies who are trying
to build a precious world. He is a monstrous liar, a cheat, a phoney, a con man
and the world's biggest charlatan. Christians need to immediately cease and
desist supporting this "evil one" by aiding him in his destructive ways.
My bible tells me to pray for those who are in charge so we may lead a peaceable and quiet life....also to render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar...
 

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End times is not yet. First the third temple has to be built on the site of the first and second temple. That site has been excavated and the Gihon Spring, the alter, and other features. The abomination that desecrates will take place in the temple.
There's no need for another temple to be built. The abomination will authenticate himself in the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque.
 

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My bible tells me to pray for those who are in charge so we may lead a peaceable and quiet life....also to render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar...
That is correct and it also says He caused them to be put in place over us. Therefore we are to pray for them and give them our obedience.
 

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There's no need for another temple to be built. The abomination will authenticate himself in the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque.
ROTFL
How can the abomination that causes desolation take place in a Muslim moscue? Part of the prophecy is the anti Christ going into the temple and claiming to be God. That is the abomination. A Muslim mosque would not fulfill this purpose. It is already anti Christ! In the Koran there is a section that has trees pointing to the last Christian to be killed. It also has Jesus claiming to be just a man.
 

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Today in various places Muslims are beheading Christians. Muslims give the traditional ultimatum of convert or die!! Those Christians were most likely give that choice.

In the Koran it states the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels are from God. Later after many years some Muslims read those and became upset with what they said. Especially the Gospels proclaiming Jesus was God incarnate. Therefore they claim the scripture was corrupted despite the ancient manuscripts proving otherwise.
 

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Disagreeing vigorously with Trump is OK on this site but labeling anybody the anti Christ goes way beyond being acceptable on a Christian web site. That is something any Christian should understand. Therefore I have my doubts about the author of the thread and anybody that defends this.
Personally, i just take the Anti-Trumpers seriously anymore. They have called him a lot worse than the anti-Christ. Pew Research has found that over 90% of the stories about Trump in the leftstream media are negative.

I noticed this myself during the campaign. I subscribed to the Washington Post at the time and they ran 3 to 5 stories daily all of which put a negative twist on Trump, one way or another.

They claim Fox News is full of lies. Yet Fox has been reporting on the Mueller investigation quite factually. So far, these liars (Fox) have seen 3 of the people involved in the Mueller investigation flat-out fired for obvious bias and dishonesty (Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe and Bruce Ohr) as reported by Fox. More will likely come. Who is lying here?

They claim Trump is a racist, yet black unemployment has declined to its lowest reported point ever. Black support is rising. And the worst cities by far are all run by Democrats like Chicago (a virtual war zone), Baltimore, St. Louis, Camden, NJ, Los Angeles, and many more. Why, if Trump is the problem?

it's all pretty much a huge deception from the left. As i said in my first post, look at the fruit that falls from the trees. Foul mouthed, anti-God, Communist supporting Antifa. Foul mouthed woman who would not even allow Pro-Life to march but allowed Linda Sarsour, call for Jihad against Donald Trump while Islam treats woman like slaves and pets that must be leashed. (Nothing was said about that however.)

So, if someone calls Trump the Anti-Christ, really does it matter? It's yet another biased opinion formed for them by the Anti-Trump forces which are more closely aligned to Satan, with their secular humanist Communist bent, than to Christianity.

Really, what do you expect? Trump has been attacked since the day he won and even a year or more before that. You may as well get used to it. The crescendo will increase in the face of the coming mid-terms as the left is doing everything they can pull out of their deceptive bag of tricks to gain control of Congress back so they can impeach Trump and reinstate all that they have lost.

These are truly satanically evil people. Expect more. They are fighting like cornered rats and rats get real nasty when you corner them. Attack is all they have to offer.
 

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I would not say Trump is the anti-christ but there certainly isn't very much Christ-like about him that I can see.
 

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He is destroying the world one day at a time. Christians should at no time
support his evil decisions because is they do, they are complicit in ugly
reign of terror. He aligns himself with other dictators and monsters of this
world while he is more than willing to destroying any allies who are trying
to build a precious world. He is a monstrous liar, a cheat, a phoney, a con man
and the world's biggest charlatan. Christians need to immediately cease and
desist supporting this "evil one" by aiding him in his destructive ways.
Charlatan? Oh, you mean like the Clinton Foundation that stole millions in donations for Haiti and never gave any of it to Haitians for disaster relief?
Evil decisions? Name one.
Reign of terror? Now that's laughable. You're funny.
While you're at it, give me ONE evil decision and describe to me why it is evil.
Next, tell me how he is a dictator? Oh, you mean like Obama who dictated that Christians should accept homosexuality, bring in refugees whose sole intent is to overthrow our way of life and do it at our expense?
Sorry pal, but I smell a liberal troll here. Your narrative stinks to high heaven.
 

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I would not say Trump is the anti-christ but there certainly isn't very much Christ-like about him that I can see.
There was nothing Christ-like about you when you were a baby Christian either. You will see what you want to see, won't you?
 

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Trump Denied Jesus is the Christ and has denied the Father and Son?

[1Jo 2:22 NKJV] 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
Trump said no such thing. Be truthful or you are a liar.