Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5

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Really? What a difference a day makes. As I was saying......."cheese" and "cauldron".
READ THE WHOLE THREAD. And you will have to admit that this was most probably a trap-door and kill-box situation.
That is an astonishing wipe-out of entire AFU battalions.

"Update: More complete footage released from this attack. UA forces are attempting to outflank Robotyne from the east and even southeast (this is ongoing today in new attacks). Seeing this larger picture we can see that this was reinforced brigade if not a divisional sized"

"The lines hold while the second or third army Ukraine established is blown to pieces. Their narrow advances, once exhausted, also invite the possibility of a counter attack that encircles them continuously. The deeper their success, the more likely this becomes. Like much of UA "


"RU forces much earlier in the war learned that these narrow thrusts were essentially suicidal."

 

JohnDB

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Really? What a difference a day makes. As I was saying......."cheese" and "cauldron".
READ THE WHOLE THREAD. And you will have to admit that this was most probably a trap-door and kill-box situation.
That is an astonishing wipe-out of entire AFU battalions.

"Update: More complete footage released from this attack. UA forces are attempting to outflank Robotyne from the east and even southeast (this is ongoing today in new attacks). Seeing this larger picture we can see that this was reinforced brigade if not a divisional sized"

"The lines hold while the second or third army Ukraine established is blown to pieces. Their narrow advances, once exhausted, also invite the possibility of a counter attack that encircles them continuously. The deeper their success, the more likely this becomes. Like much of UA "


"RU forces much earlier in the war learned that these narrow thrusts were essentially suicidal."

This is old information.....

Robotyne is being evacuated by RF currently....the AFU is currently south of Robotyne and continuing to advance meeting minimal troops as RF has been suffering from attrition and confusion as this area is a boundary shared by two separate RF Divisions.

What we see on Twitter, even though it's much more current than any MSM reporting is still 24 hrs older than most of the popular twitter feeds. (Including the one you just showed).

Mostly for Op-Sec.

And the fact that most of the AFU mechanized reserves are making this charge into the penetration on the border of Zaporozhye. (Heading Southwest into Crimea and cutting off most of the RF support)
Russia sent its reconstituted and outfitted reserves to the North in the hilly region hoping to draw the Ukranians to the northern hills and strand them there (few roads and difficult terrain) but instead have found themselves trapped and stranded.

This is exactly how things are going...
 

cv5

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This is old information.....

Robotyne is being evacuated by RF currently....the AFU is currently south of Robotyne and continuing to advance meeting minimal troops as RF has been suffering from attrition and confusion as this area is a boundary shared by two separate RF Divisions.

What we see on Twitter, even though it's much more current than any MSM reporting is still 24 hrs older than most of the popular twitter feeds. (Including the one you just showed).

Mostly for Op-Sec.

And the fact that most of the AFU mechanized reserves are making this charge into the penetration on the border of Zaporozhye. (Heading Southwest into Crimea and cutting off most of the RF support)
Russia sent its reconstituted and outfitted reserves to the North in the hilly region hoping to draw the Ukranians to the northern hills and strand them there (few roads and difficult terrain) but instead have found themselves trapped and stranded.

This is exactly how things are going...
That discourse hardly alters the results. The awful devastating results. The whole Robotyne campaign was a rout. A wipe-out. And the AFU soldiers cannot absolutely cannot be replaced. The AFU is down to maybe 20 or so brigades. Ostensibly for an assault against a massively mined front (with overwhelming Russian artillery and air support) more than 1000km long.

Not only that, but the 10:1 casualty ratio in favor of the Russians has been shown to be quite consistent lately.

The war is an absurd bloody charade at this point. But Z will do what he must with that gun barrel in his ribs and all.....
 

JohnDB

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That discourse hardly alters the results. The awful devastating results. The whole Robotyne campaign was a rout. A wipe-out. And the AFU soldiers cannot absolutely cannot be replaced. The AFU is down to maybe 20 or so brigades. Ostensibly for an assault against a massively mined front (with overwhelming Russian artillery and air support) more than 1000km long.

Not only that, but the 10:1 casualty ratio in favor of the Russians has been shown to be quite consistent lately.

The war is an absurd bloody charade at this point. But Z will do what he must with that gun barrel in his ribs and all.....
Its NOT a rout....AFU have moved on SOUTH of Robotyne and are continuing....Robotyne is in their rear view mirror being held by AFU troops....and if you had looked at any of the maps showing the city you would see that it was originally surrounded by trenches and reinforcements....now being abandoned by RF forces...because RF forces otherwise would be surrounded.
 

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Its NOT a rout....AFU have moved on SOUTH of Robotyne and are continuing....Robotyne is in their rear view mirror being held by AFU troops....and if you had looked at any of the maps showing the city you would see that it was originally surrounded by trenches and reinforcements....now being abandoned by RF forces...because RF forces otherwise would be surrounded.
AFU lost 180 soldiers and 26 armored vehicles at Robotyne in 24 hours. Their movement south is halted because of minefields. They are NOT moving further south they are stuck in place. It was all sound and fury signifying nothing.

At this rate the AFU third army (their last) Is going to be exterminated in a couple of months.
 

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Two groups needed to slow down the Rout of other troops.

Russians Heading West to try and save Crimea and Heading north to protect the retreating troops from Robotyne.
 

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Seymour Hersh interviews a Pentagon source:

(When asked about the recent attack on the Kerch Bridge): “Of course it was our technology. The drone was remotely guided and half submerged - like a torpedo.” I asked if there was any thought about the possibility of retaliation: “What will Putin do? We don’t think that far. Our national strategy is that Zelensky can do whatever he wants to do. There’s no adult supervision.”

The official said there was a lot more than grain and sunflower seeds flowing into Europe from Odessa and other Black Sea ports: “Odessa’s exports included illegal stuff like drugs and the oil that Ukraine was getting from Russia.” (@$500-2000 USD a barrel! Thanks Joe!)

At this point, with the Ukraine counteroffensive against Russia thwarted, the official said: “Zelensky has no plan, except to hang on. It’s as if he’s an orphan - a poor waif in his underwear - and we have no real idea of what Zelensky and his crowd are thinking. Ukraine is the most corrupt and dumbest government in the world, outside of Nigeria (lol sorry but he really said this) and Biden’s support of Zelensky can only come from Zelensky’s knowledge of Biden, and not just because he was taking care of Biden’s son.”
 

JohnDB

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Here is an ACCURATE assessment of the current situation militarily.

Not Russian propaganda as SOME people like to regurgitate and spew at everyone.

There's always going to be bloodshed with war. And 99/100 times military actions do not resolve conflicts.

And Wagner/Belarus/Russia is starting yet ANOTHER war on the border with Poland and Lithuania.


This has ALL the trappings of an Article 5 violation. Whether you wish it to be or not....

Within 6 hours of the first nuclear missiles flying the 3rd world War will be over.