What about Gen. 6
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I don't have the time at the moment to go over all these again (as we've discussed in past threads), but I'll put this one here for now:
1) the text doesn't state this ^ (and neither did I). Here's what the text tells us:
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
How does this (in the bold) sound like... one particular sin of [only] certain men [as you think I meant] (or even of angels, no less... according to your viewpoint)...?
[I can try to cover the other points again at a later time...]
1) the text doesn't state this ^ (and neither did I). Here's what the text tells us:
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
How does this (in the bold) sound like... one particular sin of [only] certain men [as you think I meant] (or even of angels, no less... according to your viewpoint)...?
[I can try to cover the other points again at a later time...]
I cannot say for sure. But I have seen vast quantities of evidence indicating that they are definitely real, definitely breeding.
And literally everywhere. Rare.....but everywhere. Every state of the union except Hawaii. You get ANYWERE out in remote bush.....and bro, you will have neighbors that you will probably never see or hear. If you are lucky.
The thing is.....there are credible (though much more rare) bigfoot/ufo connected reports and they are ALL are very similar in nature. So much so that they cannot be discounted.
I will mail you some research material.
And literally everywhere. Rare.....but everywhere. Every state of the union except Hawaii. You get ANYWERE out in remote bush.....and bro, you will have neighbors that you will probably never see or hear. If you are lucky.
The thing is.....there are credible (though much more rare) bigfoot/ufo connected reports and they are ALL are very similar in nature. So much so that they cannot be discounted.
I will mail you some research material.
I don't think that those passages point to one particular sin. I think those verses pertain to the general state of societal decay that came about/accelerated AS AN OUTCOME of Gen 6:1-4. That being literal cohabitation of fallen angels with human society. Which led to sexual sin/fornication with the daughters of men. Which then led to wicked giant offspring. Which then led to a world headed by tyrannical rebel angels and their nephilim half breed offspring, sowing horrific violence, wars, and persecution (perhaps extermination) of the Godly remnant. Sound familiar?
BTW....the judgment clock started ticking way back in verse 3. Immediately after the sin of verse 2 is mentioned.
BTW....the judgment clock started ticking way back in verse 3. Immediately after the sin of verse 2 is mentioned.
BTW....I did not say "the text" said it. Because it definitely does not say that.
My point #1 was posted because you agree with this commentator, therefore I refuted that particular point.
3. They are Princely Rulers/Dynastic Rulers.
Advocates: Kline, Millard, and Dexinger.
Men of noble birth or princely genealogy married below themselves. The bene ha elohim were “sons of the gods”, a term used of kings in extra-biblical sources[5].
@TheDivineWatermark : I believe Option 3 is the most likely"
My point #1 was posted because you agree with this commentator, therefore I refuted that particular point.
3. They are Princely Rulers/Dynastic Rulers.
Advocates: Kline, Millard, and Dexinger.
Men of noble birth or princely genealogy married below themselves. The bene ha elohim were “sons of the gods”, a term used of kings in extra-biblical sources[5].
@TheDivineWatermark : I believe Option 3 is the most likely"
For everyone's consideration: Paul says that this is what we battle here and now. Make no mistake, it was undoubtedly a similar kind of situation before the flood. And during the Israelite conquest of Caanan as well. One way or another. The VERY SAME battle that has raged rages on.
And these verses......DO NOT DESCRIBE MERE MEN. They are ranks of fallen angels.
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
And these verses......DO NOT DESCRIBE MERE MEN. They are ranks of fallen angels.
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Here's what I'd put in an old post:[quoting old post]
The following is taken from Dr Paul Martin Henebury's website... His conclusion, however, differs from mine (in what he views as the most likely choice among these three options):
1. The “Sons of God” are angels/spirits.
Advocates include: G. Wenham[3], Wood, Kalisch, Unger, Van Gemeren, Sauer, Yates, and Clines[4].
Fallen angels/angelic beings cohabited with humans. These angelic beings made marriages with the fairest of the women. Their offspring are the nephilim/giants of v. 4.
2. They are Sethites.
Advocates: Calvin, Luther, Poole, Keil, Lange, J. Murray, Aalders, Sailhamer, Green, Scofield, and Scroggie.
What is involved is the mixing of the godly Sethite line with the ungodly line of Cain. This polluting of the line of the promised seed (which Balaam also later encouraged) is what provoked God to call for the Flood.
3. They are Princely Rulers/Dynastic Rulers.
Advocates: Kline, Millard, and Dexinger.
Men of noble birth or princely genealogy married below themselves. The bene ha elohim were “sons of the gods”, a term used of kings in extra-biblical sources[5].
[end quoting]
I believe Option 3 is the most likely, as I do not believe Job 1 & 2 is something which transpired UP IN Heaven (but on the earth, instead), based on a study I did, in those chpts.
[end quoting old post]
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[many are aware of only the first TWO options]
It doesn't seem genetically feasible to assume that humans procreating with humans would produce such a thing, especially when you consider that there was a lot of inter-breeding going on that early, and many had a testimony of being perfect, without defect in their physical countenance.
Also, as I understand, there is a general degrading of DNA over time, so that you would expect to see anomalies more in these latter days rather than there in the beginning.
Just some thoughts I've had on that theory...
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The first end time prophecy is not in Gen 3:15, it is actually in Genesis 1. Dividing the waters. We are told that the waters represent peoples, nations and tongues in the book of Revelation. Dividing the waters above from the waters below is a reference to the rapture.
Sandy Armstrong with S4C Global Ministries has shared extensively on that verse showing how it is clearly a reference to the rapture.
Sandy Armstrong with S4C Global Ministries has shared extensively on that verse showing how it is clearly a reference to the rapture.
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