When they shall say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes

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selahsays

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Let's read Joel, you would have thought every pastor and church would have studied this book during the Pandemic

Joel 1:1 The word of the Lord that came to Joel the son of Pethuel. 2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers?

Anyone ever hear of a worldwide shutdown due to a pandemic? No. We had parts of cities shut down temporarily in 1918-1919, we had a few cities with mask mandates. But we never saw what we saw in 2020 in human history.

3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. 4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

Palmerworm, locust, cankerworm and caterpillar eat at different times in the season and different agricultural products. Some attack trees, others attack crops. This is describing a comprehensive attack on the agricultural economy.

5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth. 6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion. 7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.

This is figurative language, they eat up everything with powerful teeth, like a lion. But he isn't talking about a nation of lions, nor is he talking about four kinds of insects. Lions would not eat bark from fig trees and would not destroy the vines in a vineyard. So far he has used three different analogies, four kinds of insect, a warring nation, and lions.

8 Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth. 9 The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the Lord; the priests, the Lord's ministers, mourn.

Not only so but the houses of worship are also cut off.

10 The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth. 11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished. 12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men.

Now it is even weirder, he isn't blaming the insects, the army, the lions, he is saying the farmers should be ashamed.

13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God.

Not only so but he says the offerings to the house of God are being held back.

14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, 15 Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. 16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?

Let's summarize what is described so far, because this is what we will see as a warning that the Day of the Lord is at hand.

1. Never before seen event in human history

2. Worldwide attack on the economy by something similar to insects, to an invading army, and to lions.

3. The house of God will be shut and the offerings are cut off to them.

4. God is declaring a solemn fast so that the priests and ministers can lie all night in sackcloth and cry unto him.

5. They should be ashamed. The farmers (that would be the lords in the economy) and the priests should be ashamed and fast before God.

17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered. 18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.

Whatever is happening is perplexing. What happened to the fields? What happened to the pastures? What is going on with the herds?

19 O Lord, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field.

Now it seems like he is talking about fires burning up the fields.

20 The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

Now it seems like he is describing a drought.

However, it isn't a drought we have seen that many times, it isn't a fire, we have seen that many times, it isn't insects, it isn't an army, it is something that we never saw before and it is perplexing.
Could this be describing the famine of the end times?

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

- Amos 8:11-12 (KJV)
 

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Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Here is what we know so far. An event will take place, never before seen in human history, it will devour our economy, shut down the churches, and at the same time you will hear people "blowing the trumpet in Zion and declaring the day of the Lord is coming". There is no way to predict ahead of time what this event is since we never saw it before, but we can compare it to many things that we have seen and you will hear many people saying the day of the Lord is coming.

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

Here it is no longer insects or lions, but it is being described as an army never before seen. And "nothing escapes them". God does not exaggerate. There are over 200 nations worldwide and you will be able to go into the statistics and see that not one nation escaped. Their spread is described as a fire spreading and their sound is also very distinctive. I remember when I was in NYC, you heard the sirens blaring day and night, the spread of the pandemic was likened to a fire, they talked about hot spots, and jumping from one place to another.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: 8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

This is what social distancing looked like. I once was at Costco, the line snaked all around the parking lot and might have been a mile long. Everyone moved in an orderly line, no one was pushing on anyone else.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

Again, what he is describing is impossible. How can a great and terrible army be like a thief sneaking into a window? This great and terrible army is an army you can't see. It is the virus.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: 11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

God is the commander. Remember when he used frogs, and lice, and flies at his command? So the only thing we can compare this to is the ten plagues in Egypt at the time of Moses.

12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

This was a day of fasting declared by God for the whole world to turn and repent and return to the Lord.

14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God? 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?


This is the proper response to the shutdown. Some people used it to turn to the Lord, spend more time in the word, in prayer and in seeking the Lord.

18 Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people. 19 Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen: 20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. 21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things. 22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. 23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. 24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. 25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. 26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. 27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

These verses are used to describe how the Lord comes in and restores those that turn to Him. We have used them for decades, broken lives are restored, people who were felons, drug addicts, prostitutes are all restored. We have testimony upon testimony about how this has happened. But before the day of the Lord comes you will have this event that is worldwide to help so many more repent and turn to the Lord.

28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Another sign that will go along with this event is you will hear of many dreams and visions. All of a sudden people are prophesying, they are dreaming dreams and they are seeing visions. I have been a Christian since 1972 and never seen the abundance of dreams and visions and prophecies that I have seen since 2020.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Likewise with all the disasters we are seeing on Earth and the amazing signs we are seeing in the heavens (google "Revelation 12 sign" there was an amazing one in 2017 and another amazing one in 2023. Not only so but very prophetic blood moon tetrads and solar eclipses. All of that is on youtube.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

So now we are looking for this invisible army that eats up the economy like a plague of insects, and that kills people like a lion and that sneaks into your home like a thief and you will also see the churches shut down, it will be a sabbath rest that the Lord proclaims for everyone to fast and return to Him and you will also see social distancing and people all saying the day of the Lord is at hand and lots of prophecies, dreams and visions. Not only so, but the event will be something that has never happened before in human history, but it can be compared to many things that we have seen.
 

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Could this be describing the famine of the end times?

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

- Amos 8:11-12 (KJV)
Amos says he is talking about "preparing to meet thy God", that refers to the ten days prior to the day of Atonement, and they are known as "Jacob's trouble". Those ten days I believe refer to the ten years prior to our meeting God at the judgement seat. The last seven years of those ten would refer to the seventieth week, what many call "the tribulation". I think Jacob's trouble began in 2020, but the famine for the word will begin after the rapture takes away all those who are speaking the word. Today there is no famine, go online and there are many people preaching the word of God. That will stop completely after the rapture and the lawless one is revealed. They will cancel all those channels, AI will write its own Bible and they will institute one world religion that you must accept or else die.
 

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Even the Sound of Freedom is prophesied in Joel

Joel 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

Here we see the sins that are being committed and first and foremost we learn about child trafficking.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: 6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

This is referring to Moloch and Baal worship. Ukraine is the center of this child trafficking.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: 8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Many of the worst sins we see are a recompense for sins that others committed. Egypt held the Jews as slaves for 400 years. Slavery from Africa lasted for 400 years until it was abolished in 1926 in the League of nations. From 1526 to 1926 they were held as slaves.

9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

The way we will know that this pandemic is what Joel is talking about is all the nations will beat their plowshares into swords. Farming will be curtailed as the nations go to war. We have only had "world wars" since WW1. However, prior to the war God tells us that the sin is child trafficking. Also they come down to Israel and the valley of Jehoshaphat. That obviously was not WW1 or WW2, the Gulf war got closer, but so far none of those wars were assembling outside of Israel.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

This is the second time it says this. We have a sign prior to the seven year tribulation beginning and you will have a pre-tribulation rapture. However, as they are gathering for Armageddon you will have another mid tribulation rapture for all those who were not already beheaded. The language here is very similar to the book of Revelation.

16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.
 

selahsays

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So now we are looking for this invisible army that eats up the economy like a plague of insects, and that kills people like a lion and that sneaks into your home like a thief and you will also see the churches shut down, it will be a sabbath rest that the Lord proclaims for everyone to fast and return to Him and you will also see social distancing and people all saying the day of the Lord is at hand and lots of prophecies, dreams and visions. Not only so, but the event will be something that has never happened before in human history, but it can be compared to many things that we have seen.
I believe this “locust” army is spiritual. It will be a world-wide deception (one-world system) headed by this “army“ of Satan and his fallen angels. I believe Satan will come to earth in person claiming to be God. And the “world“ will be deceived and will worship this Antichrist, believing him to be the true Christ. I believe this is the great apostasy whereby many will turn away (fall away) from the truth of God’s Word. We need to know that Jesus will not return until after the falling away/after the Antichrist is here.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev. 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
 

ZNP

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I believe this “locust” army is spiritual. It will be a world-wide deception (one-world system) headed by this “army“ of Satan and his fallen angels. I believe Satan will come to earth in person claiming to be God. And the “world“ will be deceived and will worship this Antichrist, believing him to be the true Christ. I believe this is the great apostasy whereby many will turn away (fall away) from the truth of God’s Word. We need to know that Jesus will not return until after the falling away/after the Antichrist is here.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Many prophecies cannot be interpreted till you see it, after all they said "no one had seen this before".

The physical realm is a shadow of the spiritual realm. Whatever happens in the Spirit we can see the shadow on earth.