Where's the plane?

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This is awesome

[video=youtube;CUoqwUVOxHE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoqwUVOxHE[/video]
 
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I don't know if I believe holographic images, but I do remember the reports done during 9/11 about how many saw the plane but did not hear it.

I live in the Ozarks of Missouri and the A10 military jets do their test runs over my house very often, and they make me duck for cover a lot of the time for the load roar that they produce. It is hard to imagine a bigger louder engine on a 757 being not heard.
 

Oncefallen

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I live in the Ozarks of Missouri and the A10 military jets do their test runs over my house very often, and they make me duck for cover a lot of the time for the load roar that they produce. It is hard to imagine a bigger louder engine on a 757 being not heard.
Comparing military fighter jets and civilian commercial aircraft noise levels is like comparing apples and oranges. I live in the flight path for Colorado Springs Airport which also serves Peterson Air Force Base (albeit Peterson does not hanger a fighter wing they do drop in for fuel) and the difference in noise levels is phenomenal. Sitting in my home most commercial flights go over unnoticed whereas fighter jets literally rattle my windows and vibrate the floors.

The reason a large commercial jet is phenomenally quieter than a considerably smaller military fighter jet is that commercial aircraft are subject to FAA noise limiting regulations that military aircraft are not subject to. As a result commercial jets have all sorts of nifty noise canceling features built into the engine that military aircraft do not have.

The average military jet runs 140-160db at takeoff whereas a commercial jet runs 100-120db at takeoff. 100db is comparable to a lawn mower at full throttle. Just for informational purposes, every 10 db equals a doubling of volume. In other words, a military aircraft is 4 times louder than a commercial jet.
 
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it really gets interesting when the experts say that model plane can not reach 500 mph without being at 35,000 feet. They are adamant that it would take 6 times the horsepower to reach such a speed. That is why the guy in the film says "the engines would be screaming."
 
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Comparing military fighter jets and civilian commercial aircraft noise levels is like comparing apples and oranges. I live in the flight path for Colorado Springs Airport which also serves Peterson Air Force Base (albeit Peterson does not hanger a fighter wing they do drop in for fuel) and the difference in noise levels is phenomenal. Sitting in my home most commercial flights go over unnoticed whereas fighter jets literally rattle my windows and vibrate the floors.

The reason a large commercial jet is phenomenally quieter than a considerably smaller military fighter jet is that commercial aircraft are subject to FAA noise limiting regulations that military aircraft are not subject to. As a result commercial jets have all sorts of nifty noise canceling features built into the engine that military aircraft do not have.

The average military jet runs 140-160db at takeoff whereas a commercial jet runs 100-120db at takeoff. 100db is comparable to a lawn mower at full throttle. Just for informational purposes, every 10 db equals a doubling of volume. In other words, a military aircraft is 4 times louder than a commercial jet.
did you just say that a commercial airliner at takeoff is comparable to a lawn mower?....
 
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did you just say that a commercial airliner at takeoff is comparable to a lawn mower?....
I've stood near the end of the runway in St. Maarten and can attest that the engines on a commercial airliner at full throttle are much louder than any lawn mower I have used.
 
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Depends on what brand of lawnmower we're talkin here
~did not specify




But one correction to the video is that it is every 3 dB which is a double in sound intensity.
Being a logarithmic function comparing power out/power in... 10 dB would be 10 times the intensity,
perhaps that's what they meant.

One thing to note is this combined with the fact that sound intensity decreases with the square of the distance of a propagating spherical wave...
-the sound intensity at ground level would be quite less than at its origin.
as well as human reaction time to an outside stimulus is typically .2 seconds
Speed of sound approx 1125 fps
it would have taken from 40 stories up about .4 seconds for the sound of the impact/blast to reach the man in the chair below on street level
then another .2 seconds for him to react.

.6 seconds total from impact to reaction.

Although regardless of these things the supposed speed of the incoming aircraft appears to reveal more than anything else.
 
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I also thought it was interesting when you really look at the plane and it hits the steel webbing on the outside reinforced by concrete and the tin plane doesn't even begin to crumple on impact. The tips of the wings that experts say are so fragile that they can only be used to hold a light cut through the steel without a problem. Again. Interesting..
 

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Comparing military fighter jets and civilian commercial aircraft noise levels is like comparing apples and oranges. I live in the flight path for Colorado Springs Airport which also serves Peterson Air Force Base (albeit Peterson does not hanger a fighter wing they do drop in for fuel) and the difference in noise levels is phenomenal. Sitting in my home most commercial flights go over unnoticed whereas fighter jets literally rattle my windows and vibrate the floors.

The reason a large commercial jet is phenomenally quieter than a considerably smaller military fighter jet is that commercial aircraft are subject to FAA noise limiting regulations that military aircraft are not subject to. As a result commercial jets have all sorts of nifty noise canceling features built into the engine that military aircraft do not have.

The average military jet runs 140-160db at takeoff whereas a commercial jet runs 100-120db at takeoff. 100db is comparable to a lawn mower at full throttle. Just for informational purposes, every 10 db equals a doubling of volume. In other words, a military aircraft is 4 times louder than a commercial jet.
In the video, what about the part where some of the eyewitnesses say the plane went by them "dead quiet and engines OFF"? A commercial airliner would not be deadly quiet would it?
 

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In the video, what about the part where some of the eyewitnesses say the plane went by them "dead quiet and engines OFF"? A commercial airliner would not be deadly quiet would it?

The brain does tend to reach a point of sensory overload. The speed of light is considerably faster than the speed of sound thus it is plausible that by the time the sound of the jet engine reached the witness their brain was locked in on the and potentially overloaded by the visual over stimulation of the impact and explosion (just a guess on my part). There are dozens of studies out there that have scrutinized the effects of stressful and traumatic experiences and persons memories of them. Invariably their memories have huge holes in them because one or more of their senses failed them.

Believe me when I say that I firmly believe that there is a lot of fishy stuff that concerns me about the "official story" about what happened on 9-11, but two separate aircraft intentionally being flown into two separate buildings in NYC is not one of them. I think that some of the more wacky theories such as this one claiming that the aircraft didn't exist seriously discredit the more credible theories.
 
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Comparing military fighter jets and civilian commercial aircraft noise levels is like comparing apples and oranges. I live in the flight path for Colorado Springs Airport which also serves Peterson Air Force Base (albeit Peterson does not hanger a fighter wing they do drop in for fuel) and the difference in noise levels is phenomenal. Sitting in my home most commercial flights go over unnoticed whereas fighter jets literally rattle my windows and vibrate the floors.

The reason a large commercial jet is phenomenally quieter than a considerably smaller military fighter jet is that commercial aircraft are subject to FAA noise limiting regulations that military aircraft are not subject to. As a result commercial jets have all sorts of nifty noise canceling features built into the engine that military aircraft do not have.

The average military jet runs 140-160db at takeoff whereas a commercial jet runs 100-120db at takeoff. 100db is comparable to a lawn mower at full throttle. Just for informational purposes, every 10 db equals a doubling of volume. In other words, a military aircraft is 4 times louder than a commercial jet.
That is not true, I have friends who live right by the KCI airport, and they had to soundproof their home to block out most of the noise.
As a matter of fact there are a lot of big houses for sale by the airport for only about $45,000 to $60,000 that would normally cost $120,000 to $250,000 because of the noise level. People don't want to buy because of the noise level, and those who do move out quickly because they can't handle it.
 
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Ehhh it's one completely obvious thing to say that our gov was behind 9/11 and planted bombs in the lower levels for a perfect collapse (like eye-witnesses said happened). It's another to thing to say that they would go as far as to project a holographic image instead of just using a real remote-controlled airliner.
 
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Ehhh it's one completely obvious thing to say that our gov was behind 9/11 and planted bombs in the lower levels for a perfect collapse (like eye-witnesses said happened). It's another to thing to say that they would go as far as to project a holographic image instead of just using a real remote-controlled airliner.
I didn't post this so that we would agree or not with the videos explanation of the anomalies- like holograms. I posted it to look at the anomalies themselves.
 

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I don't really put any stock or belief in the hologram theory. It is kind of ridiculous. I do believe SOMETHING obviously hit the towers, But whether it was a commercial jetliner with passengers, a government remote-controlled plane, or even missiles, is what I wonder about. Our government is capable of just about anything, so who knows?
 
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Okay I'm just gonna write what I know about this and most of it I am explaining why they did it (I'm going in the crazy side of this).

Where the supposedly planes hit the tower, they had put Thermite there on that floor I THINK mixed in with the columns that held the towers. There is a picture of this weird yellow glowing stuff coming out of the tower and it is said that it looks like how Thermite reacts to heat (there is also various chemicals that was put/made into the tower there probably to make sure it did explode). I do believe that the Twin Towers were as well planted with bombs but I don't have proof or anything for it so look it up yourselves. I do believe it is possible that they could have used holograms, if you look up hologram concerts, dude, they look hella real.

AlSO I know a lot of people think "WELL WHY WOULD THEY EVEN PLAN THIS????"... WELL... I don't know if ya'll know about subliminal messaging or believe in it. They have used several things in the past to portray they were gonna do it. I remember in a movie called The Long Kiss Goodnight this dude was all "We're gonna explode the World Trade center and we're just gonna blame it on the Muslims like we always do" and said some other things, that movie was released in 1996. The Twin Towers is also on the 10 dollar bill if you fold it in the shape of a pentagram. Here is a video about this (they had also printed out their plans of other bombings on the money).
[video=youtube_share;uCy7kvXW12Y]http://youtu.be/uCy7kvXW12Y[/video]
Okay so now what I am about to say next is really crazy but true (whether you believe it or not). Now they did that to the World Trade center to display some weird occult ritual thing. To represent of mixing two races together to make a more advanced race of human beings. If you look up Twin Towers DNA on Google you will see a picture of well, exactly that. The Twin Towers also look like DNA markers, that dude in the video I put up also speaks of this, go on his channel and search "Twin Towers = DNA Markers - The Tares Exposed". This has to do with what happened in the beginning of creation, with the Nephilim (Genesis 6:4) and stuff like that. ANND... Where the One World Freedom Tower also has to do with this, this plays with it. You remember Obama had written "We Remember, We Rebuild, We Come back stronger"? Well alright, there is a Biblical verse that is basically what Obama had written (It's Isaiah 9:10). When Obama had written "We, We, We" In Hebrew the letter W means 6, it is pronounced "Vav". SO I guess you can say he is putting the mark on the tower, hahaha. And with that weird brain tower thing that is on it, that has to do with the duality, the good seed and the bad seed (we all have it) and they want to put both together to make an ultimate race of beings. Okay, okay so, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT the destruction of The Twin Towers is also the destruction of the 3rd temple. If you go look back when all the temples were destroyed, it was all on 9/11 of AV (I don't really understand what AV is but this is what I know). In The Bible it also speaks of the daughter of Babylon, America is it and it speaks of birthing something, that's what the One World Freedom Tower, it's basically them (secret societies) declaring that they are better than God (which is what they had done with the tower of Babel) and nothing will be held from them (says that in Genesis 11:6 when they built the tower of Babel, and this is also speaking of everyone later and in Daniel 12:4 it says knowledge will be increased in the end times). And a lot of people don't believe this, but Jesus says several times in the NT that we are the temple. Satan is gonna declare himself God in the temple. How? They aren't going to build a diddling new temple, why would they even DO that. HE IS SPEAKING OF US. That's when the mark of the beast (The chip which goes into the brain or hand) is put on us, and he will declare himself God in us, that's when we become not human, whoever takes the mark will become one of the fallen ones. We will therefore worship him when we receive the mark, or he will try to get us to take the mark and worship him and he will take our rights of worshiping Jesus, communion and all those things God told us to do, they no longer are allowed. So yeah. Satan isn't gonna just go into a temple and be all "I'M GOD"... No. If you believe that, well then alright. I'm not gonna debate with anyone, if you disagree, then disagree. Ask God for proof of this, and legit ask. He will show you.
 

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what is your obsession with something that happened 13 years ago?
 

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It wasn't a plane, it wasn't a bird,
it was Superman!
 
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Okay I'm just gonna write what I know about this and most of it I am explaining why they did it (I'm going in the crazy side of this).

Where the supposedly planes hit the tower, they had put Thermite there on that floor I THINK mixed in with the columns that held the towers. There is a picture of this weird yellow glowing stuff coming out of the tower and it is said that it looks like how Thermite reacts to heat (there is also various chemicals that was put/made into the tower there probably to make sure it did explode). I do believe that the Twin Towers were as well planted with bombs but I don't have proof or anything for it so look it up yourselves. I do believe it is possible that they could have used holograms, if you look up hologram concerts, dude, they look hella real.

AlSO I know a lot of people think "WELL WHY WOULD THEY EVEN PLAN THIS????"... WELL... I don't know if ya'll know about subliminal messaging or believe in it. They have used several things in the past to portray they were gonna do it. I remember in a movie called The Long Kiss Goodnight this dude was all "We're gonna explode the World Trade center and we're just gonna blame it on the Muslims like we always do" and said some other things, that movie was released in 1996. The Twin Towers is also on the 10 dollar bill if you fold it in the shape of a pentagram. Here is a video about this (they had also printed out their plans of other bombings on the money).
[video=youtube_share;uCy7kvXW12Y]http://youtu.be/uCy7kvXW12Y[/video]
Okay so now what I am about to say next is really crazy but true (whether you believe it or not). Now they did that to the World Trade center to display some weird occult ritual thing. To represent of mixing two races together to make a more advanced race of human beings. If you look up Twin Towers DNA on Google you will see a picture of well, exactly that. The Twin Towers also look like DNA markers, that dude in the video I put up also speaks of this, go on his channel and search "Twin Towers = DNA Markers - The Tares Exposed". This has to do with what happened in the beginning of creation, with the Nephilim (Genesis 6:4) and stuff like that. ANND... Where the One World Freedom Tower also has to do with this, this plays with it. You remember Obama had written "We Remember, We Rebuild, We Come back stronger"? Well alright, there is a Biblical verse that is basically what Obama had written (It's Isaiah 9:10). When Obama had written "We, We, We" In Hebrew the letter W means 6, it is pronounced "Vav". SO I guess you can say he is putting the mark on the tower, hahaha. And with that weird brain tower thing that is on it, that has to do with the duality, the good seed and the bad seed (we all have it) and they want to put both together to make an ultimate race of beings. Okay, okay so, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT the destruction of The Twin Towers is also the destruction of the 3rd temple. If you go look back when all the temples were destroyed, it was all on 9/11 of AV (I don't really understand what AV is but this is what I know). In The Bible it also speaks of the daughter of Babylon, America is it and it speaks of birthing something, that's what the One World Freedom Tower, it's basically them (secret societies) declaring that they are better than God (which is what they had done with the tower of Babel) and nothing will be held from them (says that in Genesis 11:6 when they built the tower of Babel, and this is also speaking of everyone later and in Daniel 12:4 it says knowledge will be increased in the end times). And a lot of people don't believe this, but Jesus says several times in the NT that we are the temple. Satan is gonna declare himself God in the temple. How? They aren't going to build a diddling new temple, why would they even DO that. HE IS SPEAKING OF US. That's when the mark of the beast (The chip which goes into the brain or hand) is put on us, and he will declare himself God in us, that's when we become not human, whoever takes the mark will become one of the fallen ones. We will therefore worship him when we receive the mark, or he will try to get us to take the mark and worship him and he will take our rights of worshiping Jesus, communion and all those things God told us to do, they no longer are allowed. So yeah. Satan isn't gonna just go into a temple and be all "I'M GOD"... No. If you believe that, well then alright. I'm not gonna debate with anyone, if you disagree, then disagree. Ask God for proof of this, and legit ask. He will show you.
First, that was well put together, and whether right or wrong I just want to commend you on putting yourself out there like that. I really enjoyed reading that and you mentioned many things that I am familiar with- "Nephilim" "chips" Babylon" Isaiah 9:10" great post.