Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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Gideon300

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Fundaamental said:
yeah bring demons into it and cover up children being killed and demonise me whilst your at it.

Yup that's a great Isreal allright
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Demonise you? By your words you are justified and by your words you are condemned. All I've done is point out to you the kind of people you believe. Since you are so clever, why don't you offer a solution to the Gaza problem? Islam's solution is clear enough. It requires the annihilation of Jews and the Jewish state. You were saying..................?
 
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Fundaamental said:
we only have a bunch of con mens words that there is such a legitimate group called hamas. For all we hasmas could be the same people who run America and Isreal.
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Do you take stupid pills every day or does it come naturally to you? For all I know, you could be a Muslim Russian troll who comes on the forum to create strife.
 
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Fundaamental said:
Once again I ask how would you feel if it was your child being brought out dead.
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War is war. There will be civilian casuaities. Tel the TERRORISTS to stop terrorizing people with their Islamist extremism. I doubt you could influence one single evildoer. They have been hatching their evil for decades. And evil must be exterminated.
 
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We know the end, we are all running out of time to do his will, win souls, make disciples.
The adversary would attempt to distract us by worldly means, forums, social media, work, gain, etc. Keep the eye on the prize!
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Lol. Do you know this, or just a lucky guess? Well done if the former. Lots are still engrossed in the old red vs. blue game, and don't ever seem to learn from it.

I don't know what's sadder - that these people can't/don't learn, or that the stupid ones and their families aren't the ones bearing the cost of their stupidity.
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well no it's a more of a educated evaluation.

I see 120 countries have voted for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. But Isreal continue to ignore.

Judging by all the children that have been killed in past conflicts,

I have a strong feeling that theese leaders are knowingly feeding and satisfying baals thirst for the sacrifice of innocent blood, especially children..

As well, if your baal you would know that the lord detests innocent blood being sacrificed but yet this holy nation voted by here as the legitimate holy Isreal, keeps mass murdering.

And our Christian friends here seem to go to the eye for eye and a tooth for a tooth scripture.

I wonder if I'm discussing with hardcore Judaism here or Christianity.
 
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Fundaamental said:
more like another opportunity for a set of debts to accumulate 👍
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I mean... if you have a reasonable conspiracy theory; out with it. Who is being forced into debt? Who are the beneficiaries?

The idea that western powers are the puppet-masters of Hamas seems extremely unlikely. Indirectly funded by the west? I'm kinda open to that- but that doesn't make Hamas "not-real", or a puppet. They have clearly been a Palestinian party of the PA for decades; and have the destruction of Israel as one of their interests.

To answer the question asked in the OP... Hamas is pretty much, objectively responsible.

The "poor innocent Palestinian civilians" approach isn't going to work; because people understand the difference between Hamas directly targeting random civilians, and Israel targeting Hamas with civilians dying as collateral damage. Jesus told his people when they saw their city surrounded by armies, it was time to leave. He didn't tell them "stay in Jerusalem and and be a meat-shield for the Zealots; and then demand sympathy from the whole world when the Roman's kill you".
 
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I mean... if you have a reasonable conspiracy theory; out with it. Who is being forced into debt? Who are the beneficiaries?

The idea that western powers are the puppet-masters of Hamas seems extremely unlikely. Indirectly funded by the west? I'm kinda open to that- but that doesn't make Hamas "not-real", or a puppet. They have clearly been a Palestinian party of the PA for decades; and have the destruction of Israel as one of their interests.

To answer the question asked in the OP... Hamas is pretty much, objectively responsible.

The "poor innocent Palestinian civilians" approach isn't going to work; because people understand the difference between Hamas directly targeting random civilians, and Israel targeting Hamas with civilians dying as collateral damage. Jesus told his people when they saw their city surrounded by armies, it was time to leave. He didn't tell them "stay in Jerusalem and and be a meat-shield for the Zealots; and then demand sympathy from the whole world when the Roman's kill you".
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this is something that no one seems to want to talk about-

while the arab world is busy condemning Israel not one of those countries will take any palestinians in.

egypt's border with them is just as fortified , if not more, than Israel.
 
JohnDB

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I don't want to say it's aliens....

But it's aliens.

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Truthfully though it's hate farming. Same sort as what goes on this forum every single day. Baiting threads that just inspire backlash and hate with deliberately twisted theologies every single day. Then there's the people who get sucked into these threads.

The OP started this thread to sew hate....create a fight.

There's always plenty to get riled up about. Some people just aren't happy unless people are fighting. They use this crap just to sew seeds of dissent.

And if you give into it....congratulations....you are the spreader of the zombie virus of hate. A mindless tool of Satan.
 
Moses_Young

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gb9 said:
this is something that no one seems to want to talk about-

while the arab world is busy condemning Israel not one of those countries will take any palestinians in.

egypt's border with them is just as fortified , if not more, than Israel.
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And neither will the United States, or anyone else. Inviting the people of somewhere else into one's own country is a dangerous thing - and some would justifiably claim treasonous. It still doesn't give a third country the right to kill those people. Isn't such thinking the reason the Nazis are demonised even to this day?
 
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And neither will the United States, or anyone else. Inviting the people of somewhere else into one's own country is a dangerous thing - and some would justifiably claim treasonous. It still doesn't give a third country the right to kill those people. Isn't such thinking the reason the Nazis are demonised even to this day?
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make no mistake, i know that.

but, all the moral outrage about what Israel is doing ( and it is not right what they are doing), but yet all the arab nations, knowing there is no where for them to go, do nothing as far as giving them some where to flee too..
 
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who still believes the official 9/11 narrative?
who still believes the official covid narrative?
 
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evyaniy

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who still believes in the war with Afghanistan?
who still believes Iraq had wmd's and needed to be attacked?
 
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evyaniy

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who still believes trump is not a globalist?
who still believes disantis is not a globalist?
who still believes congress represents the people?
 
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evyaniy

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who believes the war in Ukraine is justified and real?
who believes the spate of "natural disasters" is due to climate change?
 
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evyaniy said:
who still believes the official 9/11 narrative?
who still believes the official covid narrative?
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Who still believes the official JFK narrative?

Who still believes the official "WMD" narrative that we based the Iraq war on?

Who still believes that the Vietnamese fired on our battleship starting the Vietnam war?

Who still believes the North Pole will be ice free by 2013?
 
JohnDB

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who believes the war in Ukraine is justified and real?
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I do....
I know of people who simply want their farm back. But the fields have mines...the tractors have been stolen as well as the house ransacked by the Russians. The Ukranians are entitled to exist as a people and to their private property. The Russians have no right to take it by force.

It's going to be rough putting their life back together.

No one wins in war. One side just loses less. Imagine all of the good that could have been done by the billions spent on equiptment, ammunition and conscript salaries.

Each tank is a 5 million dollar bill up in smoke....sent that way by a piece of ammunition that is as expensive as a new corvette.

Ukraine may not have been perfect but it's a bunch better than the Gaza Strip or West Bank.
 
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Moses_Young said:
And neither will the United States, or anyone else. Inviting the people of somewhere else into one's own country is a dangerous thing - and some would justifiably claim treasonous. It still doesn't give a third country the right to kill those people. Isn't such thinking the reason the Nazis are demonised even to this day?
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You are hilarious. The USA is being flooded with illegal immigrants. Democrats are happy to spend other people's money to support the illegals. Europe is likewise swamped with mostly Muslim illegals. They are discovering just how bad a policy it is to accept them. Denmark reports that well over half immigrants have a criminal record since arriving in Denmark.
JohnDB said:
I do....
I know of people who simply want their farm back. But the fields have mines...the tractors have been stolen as well as the house ransacked by the Russians. The Ukranians are entitled to exist as a people and to their private property. The Russians have no right to take it by force.

It's going to be rough putting their life back together.

No one wins in war. One side just loses less. Imagine all of the good that could have been done by the billions spent on equiptment, ammunition and conscript salaries.

Each tank is a 5 million dollar bill up in smoke....sent that way by a piece of ammunition that is as expensive as a new corvette.

Ukraine may not have been perfect but it's a bunch better than the Gaza Strip or West Bank.
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Most of what the US and others send to Ukraine is obsolete and/or surplus. Mostly it is taken out of storage. There is some cost to make sure that the items are in running order but nothing like the replacement cost. The cost is book value for something that will eventually be written off anyway.

Ammunition such as ATACMS is expensive. However, what is being sent to Ukraine is 30 years old or thereabouts. Again, it has book value only. Ammunition has a "best before" date too. The military logistics people are quite happy to be rid of these older items. Storage is expensive. The military also has real life data on how effective the weapons perform in actual combat. Few are using F16's now. So the real cost is far less than accounting suggests. Also, the cost of doing nothing must be considered. Russia's combat power is being whittled away with only Ukrainian blood being shed. So everyone can go back to sleep now. Nothing to see here. Unless you live in Ukraine.
 
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gb9 said:
make no mistake, i know that.

but, all the moral outrage about what Israel is doing ( and it is not right what they are doing), but yet all the arab nations, knowing there is no where for them to go, do nothing as far as giving them some where to flee too..
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Sorta like the holocaust all over again, huh? Germany didn't want the Jews, but neither did anywhere else.
 
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